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gender on the agenda "Just as men, even sophisticated and educated ones, ultimately cannot conceal their objectification of women, women have become similarly objectifying. What a man lacks in firm abs and a big dick, sexual prowess and good looks, fertility, charm and a sense of adventure, humour or creative talent, must be compensated for in cold, verifiable cash. Houses. Planes. Access. Bling. Status... I cannot tell you how many times young women have, in whatever way, said to me 'You pay off my student loans and I'll fuck your brains out'" (a famous male actor in an email to Maureen Dowd after reading her book Are Men Necessary)
If a woman was ugly, charmless and dull, would money compensate do you think? 
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I have seen proof. Not as much as the female golddigging version in my own experience, but it definitely exists. | |
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some people would perhaps think that, but i honestly don't. it ain't what's on the outside and how much money you got... | |
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If a woman was ugly, charmless and dull, would money compensate do you think? No, women go for money, fame and power while men go for looks, youth, and...erm...that's it, I think. At least that's how the old saying goes, right?  | |
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retina said:
If a woman was ugly, charmless and dull, would money compensate do you think? No, women go for money, fame and power while men go for looks, youth, and...erm...that's it, I think. At least that's how the old saying goes, right?
what if a guy DID have great abs and a big dick but no money?  | |
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charlottegelin said: retina said: No, women go for money, fame and power while men go for looks, youth, and...erm...that's it, I think. At least that's how the old saying goes, right?
what if a guy DID have great abs and a big dick but no money? this thread is for once making women as a gender, look worse. I sort of agree with retina. A guy will gladly fuck almost anyone most likely. Girls have standards. | |
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charlottegelin said: retina said: No, women go for money, fame and power while men go for looks, youth, and...erm...that's it, I think. At least that's how the old saying goes, right?
what if a guy DID have great abs and a big dick but no money? Ask saintsation. He spends most of his time on the org giving that description of himself. | |
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retina said: charlottegelin said:
what if a guy DID have great abs and a big dick but no money? Ask saintsation. He spends most of his time on the org giving that description of himself. but he is gay, so I don't know if this applies. | |
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thesexofit said: charlottegelin said:
what if a guy DID have great abs and a big dick but no money? this thread is for once making women as a gender, look worse...A guy will gladly fuck almost anyone most likely. Girls have standards. | |
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charlottegelin said: retina said: Ask saintsation. He spends most of his time on the org giving that description of himself. but he is gay, so I don't know if this applies. Well, you can't ask abierman either because he has no abs, a small dick and lots of money.  | |
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The whole premise of that original post is screwy:
1) Men, "even sophisticated ones," are all generalized as putting packaging before principles when it comes to women. Which is nonsense. 2) On the flip side, it makes mercenary behavior among women a recent development. An equally shameful generalization, I'll grant you. But there were mercenary women in the Bible. So, obviously, it's not a new thing. Why can't we chalk up bad decisions to flawed character in people, regardless of their sex? . [Edited 12/28/05 16:29pm] | |
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ThreadBare said: The whole premise of that original post is screwy:
1) Men, "even sophisticated ones," are all generalized as putting packaging before principles when it comes to women. Which is nonsense. 2) On the flip side, it makes mercenary behavior among women a recent development. An equally shameful generalization, I'll grant you. But there were mercenary women in the Bible. So, obviously, it's not a new thing. Why can't we chalk up bad decisions to flawed character in people, regardless of their sex? . [Edited 12/28/05 16:29pm] i think everyone on this thread knows these are generalisations.  | |
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Why can't we chalk up bad decisions to flawed character in people, regardless of their sex? Because men and women go for different things. In very general terms of course, which was the premise of this thread. Nobody pretended otherwise. | |
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ThreadBare said: Why can't we chalk up bad decisions to flawed character in people, regardless of their sex?
good idea | |
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retina said: ThreadBare said: Why can't we chalk up bad decisions to flawed character in people, regardless of their sex? Because men and women go for different things. In very general terms of course, which was the premise of this thread. Nobody pretended otherwise. "Just as men, even sophisticated and educated ones, ultimately cannot conceal their objectification of women, women have become similarly objectifying..."
Retina, I'm not quibbling with men having a well-documented wandering eye or women thinking along the lines of security, materialism, etc. My problem is with female predilections being cast as an emerging trait. Nowhere in our discussion has anyone supported that claim. My point is that women can be equally shallow and men can be cabana boys and moochers. It's not about gender-specific behaviors. It's about character and a person's makeup. [Edited 12/28/05 16:37pm] | |
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ThreadBare said:[quote] retina said: "Just as men, even sophisticated and educated ones, ultimately cannot conceal their objectification of women, women have become similarly objectifying..."
Retina, I'm not quibbling with men having a well-documented wandering eye or women thinking along the lines of security, materialism, etc. My problem is with female predilections being cast as an emerging trait. Nowhere in our discussion has anyone supported that claim. My point is that women can be equally shallow and men can be cabana boys and moochers. It's not about gender-specific behaviors. It's about character and a person's makeup. [Edited 12/28/05 16:37pm] the person quoted (oh how I wish I knew who it was) was only an actor! 
Oh and a cabana boy sounds quite nice btw! | |
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ThreadBare said: Retina, I'm not quibbling with men having a well-documented wandering eye or women thinking along the lines of security, materialism, etc. My problem is with female predilections being cast as an emerging trait.[/b]
Sure, I agree that they're not something that have only recently emerged. There have always been these types of preferences on both sides. My point is that women can be equally shallow and men can be cabana boys and moochers. It's not about gender-specific behaviors. It's about character and a person's makeup.
[Edited 12/28/05 16:37pm] I think it's both. Of course the individual comes into play, but it's pretty hard to deny that there are - yes, in very general terms  - gender-specific preferences too. Like with all other clichés, they didn't become clichés for nothing. | |
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retina said: ThreadBare said: Retina, I'm not quibbling with men having a well-documented wandering eye or women thinking along the lines of security, materialism, etc. My problem is with female predilections being cast as an emerging trait.[/b]
Sure, I agree that they're not something that have only recently emerged. There have always been these types of preferences on both sides. My point is that women can be equally shallow and men can be cabana boys and moochers. It's not about gender-specific behaviors. It's about character and a person's makeup.
[Edited 12/28/05 16:37pm] I think it's both. Of course the individual comes into play, but it's pretty hard to deny that there are - yes, in very general terms - gender-specific preferences too. Like with all other clichés, they didn't become clichés for nothing. I agree.
Wait. What were we talking about? Gabrielle Union just appeared on my TV set...  | |
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charlottegelin said:
Oh and a cabana boy sounds quite nice btw! I was afraid I'd lose your interest with that reference... | |
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 don't all just agree!!!
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charlottegelin said: don't all just agree!!!
Just trying to stir up trouble. Typical... | |
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ThreadBare said: retina said: I think it's both. Of course the individual comes into play, but it's pretty hard to deny that there are - yes, in very general terms - gender-specific preferences too. Like with all other clichés, they didn't become clichés for nothing. I agree.
Wait. What were we talking about? Gabrielle Union just appeared on my TV set... Oh damn! I just googled her... I think I'm going to include her in my gender-specific preferences. 
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ThreadBare said: charlottegelin said: don't all just agree!!!
Just trying to stir up trouble. Typical...  | |
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retina said: ThreadBare said: I agree.
Wait. What were we talking about? Gabrielle Union just appeared on my TV set... Oh damn! I just googled her... I think I'm going to include her in my gender-specific preferences.
Yeah, I'll say. My girlfriend and I were driving to her family's for the holidays, and she was reading Essence as I drove. She turned to an article on Union and asked me: "Do you think she's attractive?" A car's horn blared at me as I drifted into the next lane while trying to see the picture she was holding up. "Um," I stammered as I got back into our lane. "She's, er, OK..." | |
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thesexofit said: Girls have standards. unfortunately. | |
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ThreadBare said: retina said: Oh damn! I just googled her... I think I'm going to include her in my gender-specific preferences.
Yeah, I'll say. My girlfriend and I were driving to her family's for the holidays, and she was reading Essence as I drove. She turned to an article on Union and asked me: "Do you think she's attractive?" A car's horn blared at me as I drifted into the next lane while trying to see the picture she was holding up. "Um," I stammered as I got back into our lane. "She's, er, OK..." Smooth.
I now officially declare this a Gabrielle Union appreciation thread! 
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ThreadBare said: retina said: Oh damn! I just googled her... I think I'm going to include her in my gender-specific preferences.
Yeah, I'll say. My girlfriend and I were driving to her family's for the holidays, and she was reading Essence as I drove. She turned to an article on Union and asked me: "Do you think she's attractive?" A car's horn blared at me as I drifted into the next lane while trying to see the picture she was holding up. "Um," I stammered as I got back into our lane. "She's, er, OK..." my husband would not be scared to say "I'd give her one!" only cause it would crack me up to hear it. | |
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lilgish said: thesexofit said: Girls have standards. unfortunately. | |
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retina said: I now officially declare this a Gabrielle Union appreciation thread!
GOODNESS GRACIOUS!
I mean, we all were agreeing about the old thread anyway...
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ThreadBare said: retina said: I now officially declare this a Gabrielle Union appreciation thread!
GOODNESS GRACIOUS!
I mean, we all were agreeing about the old thread anyway...
. [Edited 12/28/05 17:12pm] | |
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