...VENOM and the SANDMAN.

Thomas Hayden Church will play Sandman

and Topher Grace will play Venom

toph will need to bulk up

charlottegelin said:

No Way!

I heard Sam Raimi hated Venom and vowed never to use him.

Plus, son of green goblin is waiting to show himself, and Peter's professor, the guy with one arm has to become umm... what'shisface, the reptile guy.

Is this just a guess, or what's your source?

Spiderman 3

savoirfaire said:

Well, he doesn't necessarily have to become Lizard, they prob. put him in just to leave the storyline open. Venom has way too much backstory, they shouldn't have picked him unless he could be done properly. But, that guy for sandman looks like he could pull that character off!

savoirfaire said:

Well, since Jameson's son went to space he could become Man-Wolf (extremely fucking lame character, so I don't think so...) or introduce the symbiote that way...
Or they will stay true and let Spidey get the new black suit from space (Battleworld) and then have that Fantastic 4 leader discover his suit is alive and get the Fantastic 4 to remove it from Spidey and then get Spidey to latch the symbiote onto Brock who's praying in the church... Would be kind of cool to see Carnage eventually...
We'll see...

Neversin.

The rumour that Venom is in the film is being widely reported, even though Raimi has yet to say who the villians are. Raimi has stated multiple times that he HATES the character of Venom, so take this with a huge friggin' shaker of salt. Personally, I think the reports are 100% BS.

My money is on Church as Sandman and Grace as Electro.

Now, supposedly, Kirsten Dunst has claimed in an interview that Sandman and Venom are the villians. If this is true, I'm incredibly disappointed.

JediMaster said:

Yep, I posted the thread yesterday.

Neversin said:

Then there might be slight chance that Jessica Alba will be in the movie....maybe the suit will destroy her suit!

Neversin said:

Is that a phantom in your avatar?

JediMaster said:

Why? Because there will be two villians?

calldapplwondery83 said:

No, because I frakin hate Venom. He's a lame, one-trick pony character that embodies so much of what I hated in 90s comics.

JediMaster said:

Maaaaan, his first appearance was the shit jedi!! Marvel ruined him, but the original concept was GOOD!

I'm still curious to see how James Osborn will be parlayed into the film.

Personally, I think that they should have him inject himself with a revised version of the potion that altered his dad...then turn him into the HOBGOBLIN! Yeah...I know it's a departure from the comic book, but if Jessica Alba can bve the Invisible Girl, then anything goes!

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savoirfaire said:

No way : coyright problems (Spidey is Sony when FF are Fox), by the way there's no way they introduce the Beyonder & all that shit, they'll find another story i'm afraid

PurpleJedi said:

I think u mean harry, don't u?

jerseykrs2 said:

shaomi said:

Yeah...Harry...my bad.

shaomi said:

Kinda shitty that something like differing movie labels stand in the way of making proper adaptations for movies like this...

Neversin.

There's gonna be a third installment?

jerseykrs2 said:

The problem is, he should have only been in one story. He wasn't interesting enough for multiple appearances. Almost every time he's cropped up since the first story has been gimmicky shlock.

If they DO decide to do Venom, then they should use his origin in the Ultimate books. It is way more interesting than all that Secret Wars crap.

Neversin said:

Yeah, except in this case its a good one. Secret Wars was a lame series.

YESSSS! Excellent news - I was hoping Venom would be introduced in some small way last time... I'm very happy to hear this!

JediMaster said:

which is... ???
[Edited 9/29/05 7:29am]

shaomi said:

Basically, the fathers of Eddie Brock and Peter Parker were both scientists who collaborated on a project together (and they both died in the same plane crash, along with their spouses, raising the question of foul play). The project was a symbiotic suit that could be placed on a cancer patient, would seek out the cancerous cells in the patient's body, and eliminate them.

The project was not completed before the scientists death, but a few early test samples were still in Brock's care. Peter stumbles across pictures of himself playing with Brock as a kid in Aunt May's attic, and seeks him out. That is when Brock shows his symbiote samples to Peter. Feeling compelled to continue his father's research, Peter takes a sample to work with (against Eddie's wishes). Naturally, the suit winds up taking him over, and Spider-Man gets particularly brutal on some baddies. Peter is barely able to exert his will over the suit, but ultimately manages to break its hold on himself long enough to get the suit off. He destroys the sample, but unbeknownst to him, the media managed to catch him in action wearing his fancy new "costume".

Brock sees the footage of Spider-Man, and immediately puts two and two together. He feels betrayed by Peter, and gets pretty pissed off. Eddie decides to use one of the other samples himself, and you can guess where it goes from there.

Altogether, its a tighter storyline than the original, with none of that silly Secret Wars nonsense crapping things up. It brings the character down to earth in a way that is very satisfying, and would play much better in a film.

JediMaster said:

Agreed - sounds great!

So that would be Venom (the "black Spiderman"), right? And what about Carnage? I remember seeing the cartoon once and there was a red/blue kind of monster version of Spidey (I guess that would be Carnage?)!

calldapplwondery83 said:

Carnage is the "offspring" of Venom. Basically, while Eddie Brock/Venom was incarcerated, he was cell-mates with a serial murderer named Kletus Cassidy. The Venom symbiote reproduced, and the offspring bonded with Cassidy.

This was, essentially, an attempt to create a villian for Venom. Marvel had decided, in the wake of the character's popularity, to make Venom an anti-hero. To me, it was sucky storytelling in the extreme. Carnage and Venom are a perfect representation of everything that was wrong with comics in the early 90s.

On the plus side, Carnage was recently killed by the Sentry in New Avengers #2. Since its Marvel, I'm sure they'll find some lame way to bring him back, but it was quite satifying to see Venom Jr. ripped in half and left adrift in space.
[Edited 9/29/05 11:36am]

JediMaster said:

Thanx 4 the story. Yeah! I like this!