Byron said:

so well said

Anxiety said:

It may sound hokey, but I really do have faith that says, if you really want that honest communication, the universe will give you the chance to do so.

Byron said:

and honestly... you are my hero when it comes to this shit. I've seen you accomplish so much with in your own growth and in just life in general. You amaze me sometimes, and that's not me having you on a pedestal, that's the God honest truth.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

You know, I just read this over and... I have a lot of respect for you Karen, always, but more so now... So many people do not recogize this about themselves. They don't take the time to understand the motives that they work with everyday. It takes a brave soul to look that deep inside and are not afraid of what they see.

God Bless you on your journey. Sorry I didn't get all of what you were saying at first.

There is someone in my past that I love dearly. He will always be my true love. We get along better as friends though. We were together for 8 years but he abused me verbally and cheated on me constantly. I had to leave (ya think?). Now we are good friends. I can actually see us together again when we're 50 years old. I don't think he feels the same way though.


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MIGUELGOMEZ said:

I'm glad you are still friends, and yes it's best you left that drama behind.

Sweeny79 said:

not to be morbid, but my only REAL love passed away when we were both 19 (we were never together, I have to add for clarity) but he will always be the one I won't ever get "over"

CarrieMpls said:

Train in the Distance (Paul Simon)

She was beautiful as southern skies the night he met her
She was married to someone
He was doggedly determined that he would get her
He was old, she was young

From time to time
He'd tip his heart
But each time she withdrew
Everybody loves the sound of a train in the distance
Everybody thinks it's true

Well eventually the boy and the girl get married
Sure enough they have a son
And though they were both occupied with the child she carried
Disagreements had begun

And in a while
They fell apart
It wasn't hard to do
Everybody loves the sound of a train in the distance
Everybody thinks it's true

Two disappointed believers
Two people playing the game
Negotiations and love songs
Are often mistaken for one and the same

Now the man and the woman they remain in contact
Let us say it's for the child
With disagreements about the meaning of a marriage contract
Conversations hard and wild

But from time to time he makes her laugh
She cooks a meal or two
Everybody loves the sound of a train in the distance
Everybody thinks it's true

What is the point of this story?
What information pertains?
The thought that life could be better
Is woven indelibly
Into our hearts and our brains
[Edited 8/26/05 6:57am]

Wait until you find that "next big thing" after finally you have gotten over the first big one. Usually takes from five to ten years. You'll feel like sixteen once again when it happen. Only more fucked up.

Novabreaker said:

Sweeny79 said:

Ace said:

I really like that.

I have two ex-lovers in my past that I'll forever think of fondly. In fact, I'm still in love with both of them--I'd make a perfect bigamist.

Natisse said:

I got the call today, I didn't wanna hear
But I knew that it would come
An old, true friend of ours was talkin' on the phone
She said you found someone

And I thought of all the bad luck,
And the struggles we went through
And how I lost me and you lost you
What are those voices outside love's open door
Make us throw off our contentment and beg for something more?

I'm learning to live without you now
But I miss you sometimes
The more I know, the less I understand
All the things I thought I knew, I'm learning again

I've been tryin' to get down to the heart of the matter
But my will gets weak and my thoughts seem to scatter
But I think it's about...forgiveness
Forgiveness
Even if, even if
You don't love me anymore

These times are so uncertain
There's a yearning undefined
...people filled with rage
We all need a little tenderness
How can love survive in such a graceless age?

The trust and self-assurance that lead to happiness
They're the very things we kill, I guess
Pride and competition
Cannot fill these empty arms
And the work I put between us doesn't keep me warm

I'm learning to live without you now
But I miss you, baby
The more I know, the less I understand
All the things I thought I'd figured out
I have to learn again

I've been trying to get down to the heart of the matter
But everything changes and my friends seem to scatter
But I think it's about...forgiveness
Forgiveness
Even if, even if
You don't love me anymore

There are people in your life who've come and gone
They let you down and hurt your pride
Better put it all behind you; life goes on
You keep carryin' that anger, it'll eat you up inside

I've been tryin' to get down to the heart of the matter
But my will gets weak and my thoughts seem to scatter
But I think it's about...forgiveness
Forgiveness
Even if, even if
You don't love me anymore

I've been tryin' to get down to the heart of the matter
Because the flesh will get weak and the ashes will scatter
So I'm thinkin' about...forgiveness
Forgiveness
Even if, even if
You don't love me anymore

Novabreaker said:

God I hope you are right!

Natisse said:

I think that's a whole other animal Natisse.

I'm sorry for your loss.

Sweeny79 said:

Some people make us so happy, some people we have shared such magical things with... New loves can b as good or even better, but won't never b the SAME as the loves b4'em. Maybe that's why we can't always 4get. Maybe also that some ex become ghost just because we never really accepted the separation, not wanting it at the time.

"Earlier i've been talking stuff in a violent room
Fighting with lovers past"

Yeah, lots of us know what Prince meant...

shaomi said:

Byron said:

Well if other people are gonna post lyrics so am I!



The Denial Twist ~ The White Stripes

If you think that a kiss is all in the lips
C'mon, you got it all wrong, man
And if you think that our dance was all in the hips
Oh well, then do the twist
If you think holding hands is all in the fingers
Grab hold of the soul where the memory lingers and
Make sure to never do it with a singer
Cause he'll tell everyone in the world

What he was thinking about the girl
Ya, what he's thinking about the girl, oh

A lot of people get confused and they bruise
Real easy when it comes to love
They start putting on their shoes and walking out
And singing "boy, I think I had enough"

Just because she makes you feel wrong
She don't mean to be mean or hurt you on purpose, boy
Take a tip and do yourself a little service
Take a mountain turn it into a mole

Just by playing a different role
Ya, by playing a different role, oh

The boat ya you know she's rockin' it
And the truth well ya know there's no stoppin' it

The boat ya you know she's still rockin' it
The truth well you know there's no stoppin' it

So what, somebody left you in a rut
And wants to be the one who's in control
But the feeling that you're under can really make you wonder
How the hell she can be so cold

So now you're LEFT, denying the truth
And it's HIDDEN in the wisdom in the back of your tooth
Ya need ta spit it out, in a telephone booth
While ya call everyone that you know, and ask 'em

Where do you think she goes
Oh ya, where d'ya suppose she goes, oh

The truth well you know there's no stoppin' it
And the boat well ya know she's still rockin' it

The boat ya you know she's still rockin' it
And the truth ya you know there's no stoppin' it

You recognize THE EFFECT AND THE FACT
That it's COMIN when she rocks the boat
WELL it's the cause hittin on the Cardinal Laws
'bout the proper place to hang her coat

So to you, the truth is still hidden
And the soul plays the role of a lost little kitten but
You should know that DOCTORS WEREN'T KIDDIN
She's been singing it all along

But you were hearin' a different song
Ya you were hearin' a different song
But you were hearin' a different song

Sweeny79 said:

Sweeny79 said:

Not to sound cliche... but soul mates perhaps? Or some soul connection that's just inexplicable... It's the same reason why we're friends with people who are entirely different... some you don;t even have that much in common with - and yet you are still drawn to them.

Eh, it's just a guess.

Sweeny79 said:

Something I meant to do last night...*smile*



Thank you for seeing that value in me...

Byron said:

I've been tryin' to get down to the heart of the matter
But my will gets weak and my thoughts seem to scatter
But I think it's about...forgiveness
Forgiveness
Even if, even if
You don't love me anymore

Hey Byron, this is the part of that song that breaks my heart every time I hear it.

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

...Bittersweet indeed.

But I love that the song ends with a more profound message:

I've been tryin' to get down to the heart of the matter
Because the flesh will get weak and the ashes will scatter
So I'm thinkin' about...forgiveness
Forgiveness
Even if, even if
You don't love me anymore

He's realizing physical Life is temporary...and is seeing what's truly important.

bluesbaby said:

PASS THE PLATE!

Byron said:

I've always loved that song, it always make me cry. I'm with someone right now that I know is the love of my life. He's the one that in the same hour can make me laugh, cry, and then laugh again. I want to grow old with him and be some crazy old fun couple that everyone else envies. Without him I know I would never want anyone else. And yes, what keeps us together is not only love but also forgiveness. It took us a while to realize we were what each other wants, but now that we have found each other, I can never see us apart.

DarlinLaurie said:

Beautiful... *smile*...I know I'm a huge romantic at heart, and stories where love becomes what matters most always make me smile...as well as when I read about people who seem to understand what love truly is, and appreciate love's existence in their lives and hearts and don't take it for granted. Attraction is not love...a relationship isn't love, either...nor is need fulfillment love. Love is so much deeper and richer...and effects your heart, your mind, your soul...it makes your body react, your spirit gain peace.

I love knowing stories like yours exist...thanks for sharing that.

I want to hate her so bad that I can taste it. Don't ask me why I don't sometimes.

Anxiety said:

but thats natural anyway