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Reply #120 posted 07/04/05 3:19pm

crazyhorse

jerseykrs said:

I seem to be mistaken for someone that gives a shit.

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thumbs up!
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Reply #121 posted 07/04/05 3:38pm

gemini13

jerseykrs said:

2the9s said:

You, tackam, I "get."

Let's leave it at that.

And if you think I "misunderstand" you, fine. Act that way and leave me the fuck alone.






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Reply #122 posted 07/04/05 3:48pm

ReturnOfDOOK

People don't think I'm very funny when in actuality, I'm hilarious.
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Reply #123 posted 07/04/05 3:48pm

2the9s

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

2the9s said:

This always puzzles me...people saying they are misunderstood, especially people who always have to say "I'm just joking!" or "you don't get me or my sense of humor I'm just bluntly honest."

How many times do you have to be misunderstood by how many different people before you realize it's you! eek



lol Amen David!


Preach it, Ka! razz

But seriously, I guess these things sometimes come slowly to some people. Hey, reading fictional works isn't always easy, let alone reading people! There are people out there who think movies like Natural Born Killers or GlenGarry Glen Ross are behavior manuals! nuts

Some people should not be allowed out!
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Reply #124 posted 07/04/05 3:51pm

gemini13

2the9s said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:




lol Amen David!


Preach it, Ka! razz

But seriously, I guess these things sometimes come slowly to some people. Hey, reading fictional works isn't always easy, let alone reading people! There are people out there who think movies like Natural Born Killers or GlenGarry Glen Ross are behavior manuals! nuts

Some people should not be allowed out!



What the hell? Aren't you the one who brought that movie up in the first place?

Or do I not remember correctly?
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Reply #125 posted 07/04/05 3:53pm

XxAxX

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Anji said:

PR is a balance between u n them but ultimately it is up 2 u 2 manage how u r perceived.

Sometimes, u do not realise that the way u r b ing perceived does ndeed reflect a true characteristic about ur nature b cause u r unwilling/unable 2 c it.

Eye never said u must change the way u r, but eye do say u have a responsibility 2 urself 2 understand y u r CONstantly b ing perceived n a certain light.

Y do people pay $$$$$ 2 have the way they r perceived managed?

peace


this contradicts what you said re: TRC where you told anyone who spoke against the lyrics that prince had no obligation to make himself understood
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Reply #126 posted 07/04/05 4:09pm

XxAxX

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tackam said:

Anji said:

tackam, u make a xcellent point.

eye would only add that nspite of 1's ntentions, does there not come a time when 1 must realise that it's 1's own responsibility 2 also understand y 1 is CONsistently b ing perceived n a certain manner?

It's up 2 u 2 manage how u r perceived.
Not the other way around.

love



I don't feel a need to "manage" how I'm perceived. As long as I'm being honest and true to myself, I'm fine with however people want to take me. Life isn't a popularity contest.

I'm not saying that I never make deliberate choices about how I come across. I certainly do, in the way that I dress, and sometimes in the way that I choose to use language, on top of the actual content of what I say. It's all communication. But if what I communicate is not always understood, that's ok. I'm not CONstantly misunderstood. Lots of people in my life, here and in meatspace (<-- resurrection of an underused term from the 90s! woot!), get me and think I'm fabulous, even with my rough spots. It's all good.


Here's a little example of where I am (or, TRY to be. . . I'm lazy sometimes too) with this. The way you choose to speak, and in using Princebonics, will cause a lot of people around here to dismiss what you say just 'cause they think it's goofy. Well, if *I* used Princebonics these days, it would be goofy. It doesn't feel like self-expression to me. But I know that there is something about that manner of communicating that resonates with you, probably some connection to an aspect of Prince's communication that you vibe with, and there is a reason, whether you've really thought about it or not, that you choose to echo that quirk of communication. It tells me that there's something interesting about you, a place to dig deeper. Right?

Now, should I be telling you to knock it off 'cause lots of people are not going to 'get' it, or stop to think that there IS something to 'get'? No. Eye might tease u a bit, but that's ok, yes? wink


pssssst. . .actually, i'm likely wrong but i'm getting the impression anji IS prince. check his profile where he says he's 'not a fan', then the threads where he defends prince to the death eek lol
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Reply #127 posted 07/04/05 4:38pm

bkw

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I just skimmed over this thread but all i wanted to say is that I think that on the org I'm misunderstood and people dont get me.
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
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Reply #128 posted 07/04/05 4:51pm

Nero

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bkw said:

I just skimmed over this thread but all i wanted to say is that I think that on the org I'm misunderstood and people dont get me.


Never fear, we'll have beer.
Insatiable taught me everything I know about balls.

"I was born dancing! I came dancing out of my mom's vagina! Moonwalking and stuff..." - Number23 on the telphone.
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Reply #129 posted 07/04/05 4:55pm

bkw

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Nero said:

bkw said:

I just skimmed over this thread but all i wanted to say is that I think that on the org I'm misunderstood and people dont get me.


Never fear, we'll have beer.

woot!
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
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Reply #130 posted 07/04/05 5:04pm

althom

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People still think I'm a guy.


confused
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Reply #131 posted 07/04/05 5:06pm

Nero

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bkw said:

Nero said:



Never fear, we'll have beer.

woot!


And some bitty.
Insatiable taught me everything I know about balls.

"I was born dancing! I came dancing out of my mom's vagina! Moonwalking and stuff..." - Number23 on the telphone.
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Reply #132 posted 07/04/05 5:07pm

jerseykrs

althom said:

People still think I'm a guy.


confused



rolleyes
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Reply #133 posted 07/04/05 5:08pm

althom

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jerseykrs said:

althom said:

People still think I'm a guy.


confused



rolleyes

Oh! Hang on! I am.

He....he.
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Reply #134 posted 07/04/05 5:10pm

bkw

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Nero said:

bkw said:


woot!


And some bitty.

lol
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
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Reply #135 posted 07/04/05 5:20pm

EvilWhiteBale

Sometimes people think I act superior and too opinionated. If I've learnt nothing else from this site it's that people who dislike or disagree with me are usually jealous and don't have large pectorals.
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Reply #136 posted 07/04/05 5:39pm

StaticDeth

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If you can bake a cake you can build a bomb!
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Reply #137 posted 07/04/05 5:53pm

Anji

XxAxX, if 1 takes issue with how 1 is perceived, then yes, it up 2 them 2 manage that perception.

Prince does not take issue with how he is perceived regarding The Rainbow Children. Eye no this 4 a fact n eye am grateful he stands by his artistic statements. Furthermore, n almost every nstance eye have read regarding what it is that Prince supposedly blieves n, the situation almost always could not b further from the truth. Even if 1 + 1 + 1 is 3, Prince has a very healthy respect 4 people of different culture n history, n yes, women 2.

If there's 1 thing eye can tell u, it is that Prince likes 2 b CONtroversial. It doesn't necessarily reflect, n fact it rarely does reflect, a true representation of who he is as a person. He is, strangely, nice. Take my word 4 it.

love
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Reply #138 posted 07/04/05 7:44pm

XxAxX

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Anji said:

XxAxX, if 1 takes issue with how 1 is perceived, then yes, it up 2 them 2 manage that perception.

Prince does not take issue with how he is perceived regarding The Rainbow Children. Eye no this 4 a fact n eye am grateful he stands by his artistic statements. Furthermore, n almost every nstance eye have read regarding what it is that Prince supposedly blieves n, the situation almost always could not b further from the truth. Even if 1 + 1 + 1 is 3, Prince has a very healthy respect 4 people of different culture n history, n yes, women 2.

If there's 1 thing eye can tell u, it is that Prince likes 2 b CONtroversial. It doesn't necessarily reflect, n fact it rarely does reflect, a true representation of who he is as a person. He is, strangely, nice. Take my word 4 it.

love



anji i have no doubt that prince is a cool guy. i admire and support his work even though he is currently a member of a group whose beliefs stand against mine (refusal of life-saving blood transfusions and advocacy of political inaction)

but we're speaking on communication here, and whose responsibility it is to make sure the point isn't lost in the exchange.

you implied on the TRC thread that we, the audience, should take responsibility for how we perceive prince and that there is something wrong with those of us who were offended by the lyrics on that work. yet here on this thread you say the individual is responsible for how others perceive him/her, when a pattern of misperception occurs. which is it? both? neither?

for example at the 2001 listening party for TRC i encountered a jewish couple who left the experience bewildered and hurt by the lyrics to family name, wherein prince rants against jewish family names.

these people were not the only ones to notice the lyrics - in fact many people have noticed and spoken about this and since then entire threads here have been devoted to the topic.

imo in cases like this, both parties to a communicative exchange should take responsibility for making sure the meaning isn't confused along the way. which precludes controversy for the sake of controversy.

but then, i'm not prince so....


just my 2c and thanks for listening.


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Reply #139 posted 07/04/05 8:44pm

Anji

XxAxX, n the case of The Rainbow Children, it is Prince's responsibility 2 manage how he is b ing perceived IF he is unhappy with the status quo. The fact is, he is not unhappy, n he does not feel a need 2 manage perceptions about the CONtroversial nature of his work. He never has done. Here, eye mention how if 1 is CONtinuously perceived n a certain light, which is not true, the onus is on them 2 understand y that is the case. Prince blieves he no's xactly y he is b ing perceived by certain factions n certain lights regarding his work on The Rainbow Children. The fact remains, he has rarely elaborated on his art n the past, n nothing has changed his mindset n this respect. He genuinely njoys the mystique.

All eye point out 2 u is that it is 2 ur detriment if u superimpose n project ur own personally prejudiced, narrowminded and oftentimes HATE-full perspectives of the Jehovah Witness faith, 2 the xtent that u r no longer able 2 c Prince 4 what he is, as a human. Not only is he, strangely, nice, he is also, xtremely Godfearing n peaceful. Ultimately, on The Rainbow Children, he CONcludes: "we need 2 come 2gether, come 2gether as 1." Just as Prince has every right 2 xpress his own bliefs without the need 4 them 2 comply with, or b understood by, his audience, eye understand that not every1 is going 2 vibe with the manner n which Prince reaches his destination. But, it is his destination, n only his.

love
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Reply #140 posted 07/04/05 8:53pm

TeaAndTe

It's a common misconception that I'm misunderstood. On the contrary, I'm definitely understood, and this is often misunderstood by people here.
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Reply #141 posted 07/04/05 11:44pm

charlottegelin

People think I'm Australian biggrin
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Reply #142 posted 07/05/05 12:10am

Snap

2the9s said:


The whole point of my post was that I don't make snap judgments, don't think that people should...


That's my biggest problem around here. People are too quick to make Snap judgments. Just give me some time before you make up your mind to define. lurking
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Reply #143 posted 07/05/05 12:23am

jizzinparis

If yes, i don't care. I know who I'm and that's the main thing for me. I'm here since january 2004 and i have posted a lil bit more 450 times. I made some connections with a few orgers - they know who they are - i take what i'm interested in and ignore the rest.

My life, real life, is definately out the org...
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Reply #144 posted 07/05/05 4:44am

XxAxX

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Anji said:

XxAxX, n the case of The Rainbow Children, it is Prince's responsibility 2 manage how he is b ing perceived IF he is unhappy with the status quo. The fact is, he is not unhappy, n he does not feel a need 2 manage perceptions about the CONtroversial nature of his work. He never has done. Here, eye mention how if 1 is CONtinuously perceived n a certain light, which is not true, the onus is on them 2 understand y that is the case. Prince blieves he no's xactly y he is b ing perceived by certain factions n certain lights regarding his work on The Rainbow Children. The fact remains, he has rarely elaborated on his art n the past, n nothing has changed his mindset n this respect. He genuinely njoys the mystique.

All eye point out 2 u is that it is 2 ur detriment if u superimpose n project ur own personally prejudiced, narrowminded and oftentimes HATE-full perspectives of the Jehovah Witness faith, 2 the xtent that u r no longer able 2 c Prince 4 what he is, as a human. Not only is he, strangely, nice, he is also, xtremely Godfearing n peaceful. Ultimately, on The Rainbow Children, he CONcludes: "we need 2 come 2gether, come 2gether as 1." Just as Prince has every right 2 xpress his own bliefs without the need 4 them 2 comply with, or b understood by, his audience, eye understand that not every1 is going 2 vibe with the manner n which Prince reaches his destination. But, it is his destination, n only his.

love


i never projected my own perspectives on TRC. i listened to the lyrics and raised geuine questions about the message prince was conveying. in fact i gave the man the benefit of the doubt at first. until he came out with the lyrics to 'The Moors', which is when it became apparent that his hurtfulness is intentional.

so anji if, as you say (and as seems apparent these days) prince is creating work with lyrics that offend certain groups of people; if prince knows he has done this and does this on purpose - then he is not strangely nice, he is a inconsiderate of other people's feelings. there are ways to promote one group without putting another group down and prince obviously has not yet mastered that. thus he is not fit to lead, only follow.

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Reply #145 posted 07/05/05 4:58am

Anji

XxAxX,

It is possible 2 b, strangely, nice, as well as b nCONsiderate 2wards other people.
"nCONsiderate" is not necessarily a bad thing, eye might add.

"Who the cap fit? Let them wear it."

love
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Reply #146 posted 07/05/05 6:32am

XxAxX

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Anji said:

XxAxX,

It is possible 2 b, strangely, nice, as well as b nCONsiderate 2wards other people.
"nCONsiderate" is not necessarily a bad thing, eye might add.

"Who the cap fit? Let them wear it."

love



anji i guess we'll have to agree to disagree on whether prince is a messiah leading people down the only right path or someone whose fame and fortune have insulated him from reality for too long.

as for the communication issue, i think your words above make my point more clearly than i ever could wink
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Reply #147 posted 07/05/05 8:08am

tackam

2the9s said:

You, tackam, I "get."

Let's leave it at that.

And if you think I "misunderstand" you, fine. Act that way and leave me the fuck alone.



Aww. . . touched
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Reply #148 posted 07/05/05 8:30am

2the9s

tackam said:

2the9s said:

You, tackam, I "get."

Let's leave it at that.

And if you think I "misunderstand" you, fine. Act that way and leave me the fuck alone.



Aww. . . touched


Didn't think you'd be able to do it. The people I've asked never have been...

How about I put a little winkie for you... wink

Now go forth...
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Reply #149 posted 07/05/05 8:46am

sag10

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That I am old and wrinkled..

Wrinkled yes, old, only in years!

Seriously, life is to precious to worry how one is perceived.

2the9s you are awesome! hug
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