Do you know any black females who totally disassociate from their race and their people... have white surfer/skater boyfriends... dress in J. Crew and American Eagle and Abercrombie & Fitch... and hate calling themselves black or A-A? ("I'm a HUMAN, I don't have a skin color!")
I know one. Her name is Tia. She works at Starbucks and has a white power executive fiance. She's only 25, he's like 10 years older. Her FAVORITE thing to say is "I swear I'm a white girl who just got put into the oven at birth!" She thinks it's cute & clever.

Do you know any black females who totally disassociate from their race and their people... have white surfer/skater boyfriends... dress in J. Crew and American Eagle and Abercrombie & Fitch... and hate calling themselves black or A-A? ("I'm a HUMAN, I don't have a skin color!")
I know one. Her name is Tia. She works at Starbucks and has a white power executive fiance. She's only 25, he's like 10 years older. Her FAVORITE thing to say is "I swear I'm a white girl who just got put into the oven at birth!" She thinks it's cute & clever.

MPLSRAINBOW said:

Personally, I don't see what the big fucking deal about Shavonda on Real World. I don't think that she totally disassociaties herself from the black race at all. If any thing, I think the the she disassociates herself with Sheniqua ghetto queen strereo type that america tends to have of black females. For so long, America tends to stereo type all young black female under 25 as being urban and listen to Rap Music which is false and racist.

As for men of different racist, I don't see a big fucking problem with it. It is all a matter of preference. If a black man can date out of his race and no one objects, then why should a black women get flack for following her heart.
"If you can't be with the one you love honey love the one you with."
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MPLSRAINBOW said:

Personally, I don't see what the big fucking deal about Shavonda on Real World. I don't think that she totally disassociaties herself from the black race at all. If any thing, I think the the she disassociates herself with Sheniqua ghetto queen strereo type that america tends to have of black females. For so long, America tends to stereo type all young black female under 25 as being urban and listen to Rap Music which is false and racist.

As for dating men of different races, I don't see a big fucking problem with it. It is all a matter of preference. If a black man can date out of his race and no one objects, then why should a black women get flack for following her heart.
"If you can't be with the one you love honey love the one you with."
[Edited 2/2/05 20:15pm]

MPLSRAINBOW said:

Personally, I don't see what the big fucking deal about Shavonda on Real World. I don't think that she totally disassociaties herself from the black race at all. If any thing, I think the the she disassociates herself with Sheniqua ghetto queen strereo type that america tends to have of black females. For so long, America tends to stereo type all young black female under 25 as being urban and listen to Rap Music which is false and racist.

As for dating men of different races, I don't see a big fucking problem with it. It is all a matter of preference. If a black man can date out of his race and no one objects, then why should a black women get flack for following her heart.
"If you can't be with the one you love honey love the one you with."
[Edited 2/2/05 20:15pm]

Shavonda has issues and I am surprised that someone people haven't see this

1. She says she doesn't see color and just sees people, but admitted that when she first saw Karamo (who is black) she thought she wasn't going to get along with him because she thought he wouldn't understand her. She made it a point from day one to not even try to connect with him and he tried from day one to connect with her

2. She avoids other black people. She and Karamo were on the train and another black woman was on the train talking to someone else. Shavonda looked stiff and had a "don't come near me" look. Karamo was looking at her like she was crazy. Later, they had a conversation about how she doesn't connect with her own race

3. I have no problem with people dating outside there race. I date outside of my race, but I do have a problem when someone excludes their own, especially when they are a minority

4. I don't think she ever saw "Roots" because she passed off slavery like it was just a bad day. You'll never hear a Jew talking about the Holocaust like that.

I've had people think I'm white from the sound of my voice or think I'm not in touch with my race until they talk to me and realize I'm down with my sistas and brothas. It does take more effort though. Shavonda feels like she's judged by her own people, but it's partly her fault because she doesn't make an effort to connect with them. She's completely disassociated from her people and that's wrong. I've met black people from San Diego like her. I think that's where she's from. There must be something in the water

Janfriend said:

What you are saying is first class bullshit. Shavanda dosen't have to indentify with ghetto Sheniqua Bithches on the train or anywhere else in order to claim her black heritage. If she wants to carry her self at higher standard above the ghetto black female stereo type than I say more power to her.

As for as the asshole Karomo, he ain't nothing but a trifling hypocite fraud bitch not even worth bringing up. He needs to get a fucking life.
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Janfriend said:

What you are saying is first class bullshit. Shavanda dosen't have to indentify with ghetto Sheniqua Bithches on the train or anywhere else in order to claim her black heritage. If she wants to carry her self at higher standard above the ghetto black female stereo type than I say more power to her.

As for as the asshole Karomo, he ain't nothing but a trifling hypocite fraud bitch not even worth bringing up. He needs to get a fucking life.
[Edited 2/3/05 7:16am]

Do you know any black females who totally disassociate from their race and their people... have white surfer/skater boyfriends... dress in J. Crew and American Eagle and Abercrombie & Fitch... and hate calling themselves black or A-A? ("I'm a HUMAN, I don't have a skin color!")
I know one. Her name is Tia. She works at Starbucks and has a white power executive fiance. She's only 25, he's like 10 years older. Her FAVORITE thing to say is "I swear I'm a white girl who just got put into the oven at birth!" She thinks it's cute & clever.

As you so thoughtfully put it,"Ghetto sheniqua bitches" will not dismiss her because of her accent or her backgrounnd; they will dismiss her because she is dismissing them at first site. When i changed schools and was thrown in with the most ghetto kids in NYC, they accepted me entirely-- We learned from each other and opened each other's minds. Just because i had never lived in the projects, lived with both parents, etc-- they didnt care about that.

Ur not going to want to get along w/a person who doesn't want to get a long with you...

Isn't she perpetuating it herself by dismissing all black people? Beourgois is dismissed because they dismiss all others as distinctly "low-level"

How can u judge someone because you think they will judge u?
Who gives a shit about her anyway-- I like my ghetto friends because there weren't any pretenses-- they judge a book by its cover and dont second guess. I LOVE THEM "GHETTO SHANUQUA BITCHES", Hotlegs.

I wonder if anyone has called their daughter Ginandtonique.

it's trite stuff like this that keeps me from watching emptee-vee anymore.

I know plenty of people like Vonda...and have been accused of being this type of person myself. Why have I been accused of being like vonda? Because I don't consider myself African American...I consider myself black. I have white friends, I love rock music, I speak properly, etc. There is nothing wrong with any of that, but for some reason, black people think that this is "acting white" As a woman of color, I am offended by people like the girl at Starbucks because I don't disassociate myself from my race at all. I know who I am and I'm proud of that. Claiming that you were put in an oven at birth is downright disrespectful to all people of color!

MsMisha319 said:

exactly. i've been accused of the same stuff as you pointed out...it's one thing to say "i'm an individual and i'm proud of it", but it's a totally different matter to say somethin basically to the point of "i'm an individual, but i hate my race". it makes me sick to see that there's people out there who go so far as to disassociate themselves from their race in order to try to fit in with whatever group they have a desire towards. no matter what you say or do, you are what you are and people will automatically see you for that. at the end of the day, you're black. ain't no escaping it. love yourself for it.

I wonder if anyone has called their daughter Ginandtonique.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

I agree. I think the situation with Shavonda, and many others, is that they want to latch onto whatever culture they were raised around. She seems to me like she was raised mostly around white people, so naturally, this is what she identifies with. Nothing completely wrong with that, but it's up to her to atleast recognize her blackness, not disassociate herself further.

Also, there is nothing wrong with being educated...all blacks do not have to speak like, "Yo, what's up, My N*gga"...That stereotype is old and tired.

Smooches;)

Hotlegs said:

makin an attempt to feel comfortable should never get to the point to where you disconnect from your own background. i've felt isolated at times too, but you know what? i've adapted without denying my heritage or anything like that. seems to me that ms. shavonda's kinda...overreacting how the media/society has portrayed people of color. it annoys me too, but do i stare other brothas and sistas down whenever i'm out and about? not at all.

Janfriend said:

What you are saying is first class bullshit. Shavanda dosen't have to indentify with ghetto Sheniqua Bithches on the train or anywhere else in order to claim her black heritage. If she wants to carry her self at higher standard above the ghetto black female stereo type than I say more power to her.

As for as the asshole Karomo, he ain't nothing but a trifling hypocite fraud bitch not even worth bringing up. He needs to get a fucking life.
[Edited 2/3/05 7:16am]