Many people may have made fun of my last thread, but it’s true. I’m not 2 worried about it though, because from my studies I’ve learned your not supposed to practice witchcraft on people for the reason that it’s going to reflect back on you and the person who’s doing it will suffer three times fold from the pain & affliction they’re tried to cause someone else. I’ve been to a lot of websites, particularly ones dealing with Wicca and they all say the same thing. Never practice witchery 2 harms someone. Many will mock this, make fun of it and laugh. The truth is, the next time you post your picture on a message board that’s all she really needs. Also from learning about witchcraft I know it has a lot to do with manipulation and trying to control the thoughts of someone else’s mind. It’s not real power, but it’s just like all other magic , it’s just an illusion in someone’s mind. I’m not trying to make everybody paranoid. I’m just saying a lot of times I do speak the truth in what I say. As usual people never listen. If u been a victim there is a way 2 fight it. We’ll talk about that in the next thread. I just want 2 say one last thing. People never listens 2 a word I say,but I do speak the truth. So it’s up on y’all what u believe. Unlike witchcraft I’m not here 2 manipulate anyone’s mind. When ur in Christ u learn that we all have the freedom of choice. What will u choose ?

the wiccan reade says "do what thou will be it harm no one" wiccans truly do not believe in harming someone for it would be harming themselves due to the 3 fold rule. basically Karma,what goes around comes around.etc etc.i dont know what you have been reading. but the misconception about Wiccans being worshippers of dark magic of sorts are untrue. maybe u were reading crowley?

but we are generally really sweet people,with nothing but love for our fellow beings on this plane.


Blessed be

but there's always a bad apple in the bunch, that ruins it 4 every one else.
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Finess put it pretty well....

Wicca.....worship of the heavens and earth...moon and sun....

Never for bad only POSITIVE....white Magic.....

The earth and all it's beauties.....abound

shine and 's


and

yeah all magic is bad though, withcraft is mind control
anyone who tries to control someone's mind is just wrong
from what i also learn is that witch craft is mainly 2 curse people
in the bible i learn u supposed 2 bless those who curse u
the bible also say u reap what u sow
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matter o' fact
doens't matter what religion it is
have it be pegan or chritstianity
it's all the same thing
u reap what u sow, it's just the law of nature
which is why if there is a witch
i'm not stressed about it basically
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TheRealFiness said:

well put ...

4 those who think i found jesus, haha
i haven't just found jesus i've always been this way
that's why u should be more careful as to who u want 2 put witchcraft on
i lay behind the enmies lines of confusion,
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1) Witches are evil.

In truth, witches are not evil at all. Wiccans believe in living in harmony with nature as well as with people. Most witches commit their lives to helping others and becoming better people. True, there are other witches in the world who do evil deeds. Usually, these are young people who have seen too many movies or read too many books. The law of Wicca is to harm none and do as you will. Witches should not be punished just because there are evil people in the world, just as all Christians are not evil just because a few Evangelican priests fake healings to make millions or rape young boys. You cannot judge others by only one example.

2) Witches worship the Devil.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Wiccans do not believe in the Devil. That is a Christian belief. Our God does have horns (or antlers) and the feet of a stag and is the lord of the underworld which may be why Christians fear him so. During the burning times, when Witchcraft was viewed as evil, the Christians believed the gods of the pagan religions to be evil. Many pagans believe that the modern depiction of the devil - with horns and goat feet - may have come from the ancient Greek god, Pan, who was a popular god among the poorer country people at the time. The Wiccan God is not evil, however, but just as loving as the Christian God. He is merely an aspect of maleness, not of evil. Wiccans also do not believe in Hell or any torturous place where the evil are eternally punished. Witches believe that punishment comes to you during your life. Punishment is a means of teaching a lesson when you have done wrong. We believe that eternal punishment teaches nothing and accomplishes nothing.

3) Witches sacrifice (insert animal or person here).

Another idea that could not be further from the truth. Witches, as I have said, believe in "harming none". None means NONE. In fact, many witches are vegetarians. Some take it to the extreme and will not even purchase products made from animals such as some make-ups, leather, and food products. But don't look at me. I'll die if I can't eat steak.

First off, wrong forum.

Second, I think a whole lot of confusion over this deals with certain sects of Satanist (the non- LaVey variety) who also call themselves "witches". THESE are the folks the Bible refers to, not Wiccans. It also should be noted that people misinterpret what the Bible says about these folks. Essentially, its stating that someone who kills in the name of Satan should be punished in the utmost, and not allowed the freedoms of life that others are.

Wiccans are, almost always, peaceful people who deserve respect. Their religion is pantheistic in nature (no pun intended) and not about demon-worship in any way.

so if one wanted to know more about it where would one go to find out?

ElectricLover said:

Yeah, witchcraft is a form of mind control: controlling one's own mind and energies to reach certain positive effects.

I'm confused by your statement that "all magic is bad." Is it bad when the sun rises each morning, or the breeze blows the autumn leaves? The magic we practice is the magic of working with natural energies that exist in abundance everywhere you turn.

JediMaster said:

thank you Jedi

JediMaster said:

Even this is misleading, since folks who identify themselves as Satanists don't believe Satan is the Christian Devil.

FunkMistress said:

That is why I made the note about the NON-LaVey variety. Yes, those who subscribe to the LaVey philosophy call themselves "Satanists", but do not believe in an actual being such as Satan. There are those people who DO believe in Satan, as described in the Judeo-Christian tradition, and worship him. This form of Satanism has many different forms, and many refer to themselves as "witches" and practice "black magic". To this type of Satanist, LaVey's beliefs are nonsense, and they actively seek to bring about Satan's kingdom on earth. Some even refer to their cults as "covens".

Unfortunately, this has caused all witches to be lumped into the same category, and the average person doesn't know the difference.

JediMaster said:

'Tis a shame.

TheRealFiness said:

Finess you're wiccan!

Merry meet

I think when we are secure in our beliefs we don't need to defend them. We can be at peace with who we are and what we blieve without chastising communities who may not share the same beliefs.

madartista said:

and that's the bottom line

ElectricLover said:

as there is with religion
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I thought that it would only reflect back if you did Black Magic? Wiccan's are White Magic

truth of that matter is i get f'd wit coz i'm a easy target, i remember back in tha days when icenine use 2 run things and everybody use 2 cry about it, he did the same things 2 u guys u try 2 do 2 me, it's like a vicious cycle.
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sawah said:

any action will reflect back onto you no matter who you are or what you believe

true magic is neither black nor white - it is what it is because of the intention of the person

Natisse said:

not if u have faith though

ElectricLover said:

what do you mean by faith?

Natisse said:

ways u can tell if witchcraft is being used on u:

1) Discouragement
Discouragement never comes from God. He is the author of faith and the hope which never disappoints. He does discipline us when we need it, but he never does this by afflicting us with discouragement. "The wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy." (James 3:17) Discouragement is nowhere named as the wisdom that comes from above and it is not a fruit of the Spirit. We must learn to quickly and instinctively reject discouragement and give it no place in our thoughts resist it; it is not from God. We will be led by what we think or feel; we must take every thought captive and make them obedient to Christ; we must not ever allow discouragement to dictate our course. FAITH is the fruit of the Spirit and the shield of our armor that counters discouragement. If we begin to get discouraged it is because we have dropped our shield. Pick it back up!


2) Confusion
Remember that "God is not the author of confusion" and what you are being hit with is not coming from God. In the military, one of the primary elements of battle that a soldier is trained to handle is confusion. There will rarely be a battle when there is not confusion; nothing will ever go exactly as planned; the same is true in spiritual warfare. The disciplined soldier who understands this aspect of warfare learns to use the confusion to his own advantage; he does not let it increase his discouragement but begins to anticipate and look for an opportunity to gain an advantage over the enemy. We must learn that confusion is part of the battle and not to be surprised or affected by it. Our resolve to stand and fight will quickly dispel this aspect of the attack.


3) Depression
God gave to Cain the most effective remedy for depression. Then the Lord said to Cain, "Why are you angry?" And why has your countenance fallen [the ancient expression for depression]? If you do right, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it." (Genesis 4:6-7) Because depression is usually the result of allowing discouragement and confusion to cause us to drift from even our basic spiritual disciplines, such as reading the word, praying, fellowshipping, etc, picking them up again with resolve will almost always start to reverse the downward spiral.


4) Loss of Vision
The attack can also be turned to our advantage and used as an opportunity. When you begin to lose your vision, commit yourself to strengthening you vision- sink your roots deeper and establish your purpose even more firmly upon the word of God. When God begins to lead us into a purpose we should record how he speaks to us. Review all of the ways that He has led you and search the Scriptures to even more firmly establish His leading.


Above all, hold your course! Do not change your course until you can clearly see the new course. In World War 1 one of the most effective tactics of the enemy was to lay a smoke screen in front of allied convoys. As the convoy entered the smoke and lost their vision they would start turning at any perceived sound or whim, with the resulting collisions singing more ships than torpedoes. The allies finally developed a simple strategy when in the smoke every ship was to hold its previous course without deviation. They would soon all sail out the other side into clear air. The same strategy will enable us to more quickly get out of what is clouding our vision. When you lose your vision just hold your course and keep going forward.


5) Disorientation
As an instrument flight instructor, the first thing I had to teach a pilot was that, when flying on instruments with restricted visibility, his feelings cannot be trusted and must be disregarded. If a pilot tries to fly by his feelings when in instrument conditions he will quickly lose control of the plane. When in the clouds you can be flying perfectly straight and level but begin to feel like you're turning. If you react to this feeling, you will begin to turn, going off course or maybe even turning the plane upside down.


In a test conducted by the FAA, a group of pilots that were flown into instrument conditions without instrument training ALL lost control of their planes because they tried to rely on their feelings for guidance. I believe that the same is true of Christians who enter spiritual conditions of reduced visibility or "spiritual clouds," and try to rely on their feelings for guidance they will lose control. The "instruments" we have been given to walk by are found in the Bible. We do not walk by feelings but by faith in the sure testimony of the word of God. The word of God will keep us oriented and on course if we put our trust in it even though our feelings may be telling us to do otherwise.


6) Withdrawal
In the recent Persian Gulf War, Desert Storm, the majority of casualties were either reserves or civilians. The safest place to be in the war was on the front line. This has been true in most modern wars, and it is true in spiritual warfare.


When you're being pressed in battle, you cannot call a timeout. On the front line, you cannot ask the enemy to stop the battle because you have a headache or want to take a coffee break. On the front line, you know the dangers and you do not let your guard down. Every Christian is on the front line every day, whether he likes it or not. Satan will not observe a timeout. It is when we start to consider ourselves a "civilian," or not a soldier, that we will be the most vulnerable to his attack. Neither is a Christian ever in the reserves. Seldom do battles rage along the entire front for the entire time; there are times of reprieve from conflict, but when you know that you are on the front, even your breaks are taken with vigilance, knowing that a fresh attack can come at anytime. Christians must never take off their spiritual armor and must never lose their vigilance.
There are times and occasions in warfare for strategic retreats. There are times when we overcommit ourselves spiritually and must draw back, but that is not the same as withdrawal from the battle. Even when we have over committed ourselves, retreat should be a last resort an army in retreat is in its most vulnerable condition. If at all possible we should try to at least hold our ground until our position can be strengthened.
We are told to "give thanks to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 15:57) "in all things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us" (Romans 8:37), and that He "always leads us in His triumph in Christ" (II Corinthians 2:14). Defeat is not an option in Christ. We will gain the victory in that which He has led us to do. The only way that we
can be defeated is to quit.

the article is actually longer, i'll make it another thread. telling y'all it's real out there this is a spiritual war.
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I still don't understand what you meant by if you have faith, but it's OK...we can agree to disagree

Natisse said:

hebrews 11:1-3

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
For by it the elders obtained a good report.
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

ElectricLover said:

funny i wasn't asking anyone 2 agree but okay whatever

ElectricLover said:

that's OK...I wasn't asking you to agree with me either that's what's great about the world - you can make your own choices