You're 100% correct.

How do you feel about breastfeeding?

That's REAL milk. For baby humans. Sadly, not all of us actually had any.

Fancy a glass of Starkitty's milk?

Or you'd rather have it WITHOUT the glass?

starkitty said:

We're not!?!

starkitty said:

Exactly!!! Nuff Said!!

whap!

MsSmartypants said:

thank you

I dont drink milk because I am lactose intolerant, but I have found other ways to get calcium, I dont feed my daughter milk she gets soy milk, I have never really drank milk and never will, I dont have a weight problem and I dont have any calcium problems, it has worked for me , I might as well teach my daughter how to eat healthy now

ella731 said:

rice milk is good too. and rather tastes like mother's milk, so they say.

beans and other legumes are high in calcium. the traditional diet is low in dairy, but very few mexican women develop ostheoporosis... is it the beans?

tackam said:

I GAVE it much thought, thanks to you, yes.


But I reached my conclusion, and don't give it much thought any more. Maybe I will again one of these days, as I periodically like to take an inventory of my beliefs...but for now, gimme cow. Gimme a nice juicy steak, it's blood running down my throat like...like...like THE QUICKENING!

milk sucks! gimme beer!

Heiress said:

i advocate it 100%. formula obviously if one can't breastfeed, i don't really understand women who won't, but that's their bag.

CokeJohnson said:

starkitty said:

as far as i'm concerned, formula exists for women who can't breastfeed. and it ought to be a really exceptional thing...

rather a pity if a woman doesn't even want to try...

one interesting advantage of human milk over formula is that mother's milk changes in flavor and consistency, depending on what the mother has eaten and other things going on in her body... so the baby gets used to different flavors, before she ever even tastes solid food. whereas formula is same-old, same-old... and it changes in content as the baby grows.

but probably the best part of all is that breastfeeding just plain makes babies SO VERY HAPPY. and ready anytime. no rushing to fix a bottle while baby cries...

ah, excuse me...

i was saying that the breastmilk automatically changes in content. not the formula, of course.

I hate cow's milk...Disgusting

My Son is addicted to my tits though...

Smooches;)

I hate cow's milk...Disgusting

My Son is addicted to my tits though...

Smooches;)

Im so proud of u Kitty!!! IB and I salute u!

*'Nana laughs his head off at Pandurito's sig!*

Natisse said:

At last! Here's some statements that make sense to me. Thanx Chrissie & 'Tisse. Just keep in mind u all fat free milk is still available in stores.

bananacologne said:

is that a flashlight in your pocket

Calcium is VERY important. One of my aunts passed away due to osteoporosis - believe me, milk IS necessary. Listen to Pantha et al.

PeaceLove&Respect4AllTime

TheJoker said:

just to clarify... i never suggested that our bodies did not require calcium, quite the contrary.

with initial resource indicating that milk may not an ideal source of calcium, and knowing that plant-based calcium sources are abundantly available, why would somebody not rely on these sources instead. i for one am not willing to take that chance, and i would hope that people would pay close attention to all of the research findings.

I'm Anti-Soft Drink!

irresistibleb1tch said:

Calcium-fortified orange juice is generally not suitable for vegans. Why? Most OJ manufacturers have been adding vitamin D to their calcium-fortified OJ. And for whatever reason, they've opted for vitamin D3, which is animal-derived.

The one exception I found during my vegan phase was a brand named "Simply Orange." Their calcium-fortified OJ is not fortified with vitamin D.

OTOH, the soy milk companies seem to be using D2, which is vegan. At least, I know that Silk brand soy milk uses D2.

Silk poses a different problem for vegans; i.e., it's manufactured by a subsidiary of Dean Foods, which, to quote their own website, is "the largest processor and distributor of milk and other dairy products." I'm sure the marketing folks at Dean Foods are laughing all the way to the bank. But, as I said, that's another issue.

irresistibleb1tch said:

The (potential) problem with plant-based sources of calcium is that you generally have to eat a lot of them to meet the American RDA of 1000 mg. For instance, let's take broccoli, which you mentioned. Hope you like it, because one cup of cooked broccoli has only 94 mg (source).

I admit that the American RDA is questionable. Indeed, as others have suggested, the key issue may be how much calcium you retain, not consume. However, I choose to play it safe and take a 500 mg calcium supplement every day.

As for the research, it is worth looking at. But it's also important to remember that much of the anti-dairy "research findings" are coming from groups with a non-health agenda, such as animal rights. And to me, the question of whether it's ethical to drink milk is entirely separate from whether it's healthy.

irresistibleb1tch said:

Point taken. At the end of the day, the decision is in our hands. I understand and support (in many cases) the choice to spare animals and instead derive all we need from plant sources...I just feel so mixed up sometimes in this world of ours. One day tomatoes cause cancer, the next they actually FIGHT cancer...etc.

What is the truth in all this? Does anybody know....?

(I knew I shouldn't have posted on this thread... )
[This message was edited Thu Jul 29 2:04:52 2004 by TheJoker]

dr spock has always been full of shit... and research is always going one way or the other when it comes to health issues.

in the meanwhile, I'm going to continue drinking my milk and eating all of my milk based products. cheese, sour cream, cream cheese, cottage cheese, yogurt, and so on and so forth. I get through a gallon of milk a week - not so much because it's good for me (which I believe it is), but rather I love the taste. like starkitty said, nothing beats the taste of a glass of cold milk with freshly baked cookies.

we all make choices in life, and we all partake in some activities that are certainly not healthy for us. milk is just another one of those choices...

hmm, don't you dairy-eaters ever wonder how people in cultures who don't eat dairy at all manage to get their daily calcium intake?

many details have been posted throughout this thread... just thought i'd bring it up again.

did anyone mention native americans? what beautiful bone structure. and definitely NOT milk-drinkers...

point is, there are LOTS of ways to get calcium.

i think that plenty of breastmilk early in life gives children a good foundation and less need for cow products later...

Heiress said:

I'm using dairy products as a source for protein. As a kid I didn't even drink milk and it's still not something I'd just drink a glass of. As mentioned before, calcium absorption from dairy products is poor.

J0eyC0c0 said:

i think that dairy products in the form of yogurt & cheese are more easily digested, aren't they?