And call him bad names, and slams mtv too

http://www.roadrun.com/bl...emID=23870

well, santana didn't seem to mind mtv when they played his lame ass music. perhaps if someone in the western world knew who this cat was they would have reported his death.

I think he's being a little on the dramatic and ignorant side.
Ozzy is a nut granted.It's just that he lived through all the drug abuse while people like Hendrix,Joplin and Morrison etc...didn't.So he's a little fucked up because of it.But,Black Sabbath has influenced more musicians than any other band except for the Beatles.Have to give respect there.Santanna is wayyy over-rated I think anyway.He's right on one point though.There are some stupid ass people here in America,just like everywhere else in the world lol.

Watch it now Carlos, those corny ass white people come in handy sometimes...

It's like someone just woke him up from a coma. The media didn't pick-up on the passing of a great talent and America's an ignorant country. MTV is not the voice of the people or America, it's owned by a faceless corporation that is making a profit and making certain artists a profit (like Carlos Santana).

Hypocritical and racist comments are not something I'd expect from the guy who did an album for El salvador and used to promote peace.

I guess there's always sensitivity when somebody's honest about an issue, deny as much as you want to, Carlos is being REAL and I salute him 4 speaking many ones minds!

Far as him being waaay over-rated? Well lol I'm sure ya'll won't say such a thing about Bob Dylan & The Beatles

Give credit where credit is due, Carlos BUILT his legacy with his own bare hands from the get-go, you ought to be brain dead not 2 give the brotha his dues & props.
[This message was edited Wed Jun 23 9:02:47 2004 by Harlepolis]

Tom said:

I'm sure Carlos was talking about the folks at MTV when he said that, but I still don't think it was the best way for him to articulate his point.

Harlepolis said:

I don't really care for Dylan all that much.
I like the Beatles stuff up until they started dropping acid.

After reading the quotation I think what Satana is saying is accurate. The media is extremely racist and biased in this country and they rarely if ever give credit to people of color for anything. Whenever I see the lists about the best this and greatest that I laugh because it is told from one perspective, that of middle class white people. Motown was arguably the most influential sound in the history of modern music, but it is often overlooked when they talk about who influenced what in this country. Isn't it ironic that EVERY list that has come out places white people at the top of EVERYTHING? Rolling Stones' The Immortals list lost all credibility when they placed Nirvana ahead of Prince.(That's a Joke) The ironic thing is that all of the great European acts that America adores were heavily influenced by all of the great black musicians that white americans continue to overlook.

As far as his comments on Ozzy Osburne, thats right on too. Sly Stone was a drug addict but all people ever do is condemn him for his drug abuse. When there are countless acts like Ozzy that are rewarded for their idiotic behavior. MTV is supposed to be about music, yet they rarely if ever show anything related to music and when they do its either pre-packaged pop or pop-rap (not hip-hop).

Carlos is speaking the truth, unfortunately America white washes reality and rarely if ever give credit to anyone that is not white. The ignorant conditioning we are all subject to teaches us not to talk about the real issues of our society therefore, many people get offended whenever someone challenges their reality.

Damn, who pissed in his cornflakes?

I do feel where he's coming from. Maybe, he was just upset that the jazz world lost another one of it's greats and that was his way of venting? Yes, his comments were hypocritical! AND they will haunt him for a long time to come. I'm sure the next time he wants to lash out he's gonna be like.

It's is a real shame when the death of brilliant musicians go unnoticed by the world, at least america!! I know of many artists who died and I didn't find out until way after the fact.

I'm disgusted whenever I turn on the radio and hear everyone singing or rapping about the same thing over a beat that's slightly different. Radio and television has dumbed us down and will continue with no end in sight. There's much better music out there that doesn't make it onto the radio, but doesn't cause they're to busy rotating the same 14 songs everyday to try and convince people to buy the stupid record. I do respect what Carlos had said, but his approach could've been a little different. Especially, since he part of the beast he's criticizing.

crazyhorse said:

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langebleu said:

When I read this line, I honestly thought, 'I wonder what langebleu would say if he read this'. And now I know - it rendered him speechless. Traces of "Crazy Train" can be heard all over several tracks from Wilco, Radiohead, Smashing Pumpkins, King's X, the list just goes and goes.

ok hes upset that mtv didnt mention the death of Elvin Jones
the fact is that mtv does'nt even play that kind of music it plays rubbish and its target audience are kids
vh1 is the same they play pop as well
and rolling stone is trying to attract young readers by saying that anyone over 40 is past it and being overly critical of them.

his comments "corny-ass white people"
its not even a coment about his music
his career choices
his lifestyle

if you saw the pop in the uk its full of corny assed people of all colours

Was there a mention of Elvin Jones in BET, Jet, or Vibe prior to his comments?

There are many brilliant musicians of all backgrounds that go unnoticed. They just never go mainstream. Some do this by choice, others just don't grab the attention of the public. It gets tiresome and somewhat irritating to hear some people blame everything on racism.

Come on now, don't we all have better things to do in our spare time than secrectly plot how to suppress other cultures???

Tom said:

I agree 100%
Hank Ballard passed away this past March and I didnt hear a damn thing about it.
Had nothing to do with him being African American though.Just people not knowing good music.

hey! he's not a corny ass white person...he's a funny ass white person...britney spears is a corny ass white perosn cuz while her songs r catchy she lacks real musical talent.. but it is true..stations like mtv and vh1 should show more than just rap hip hop and r&b..they should show where it came from too...bcuz rap and hip hop r just evolved or devolved take ur pick versions of funk..and r&b...the kind thats out now is just an evolved or devolved take ur pick version of old soul and jazz.

whoa this one is harsh...but true:



white ppl helped ressurect his career...give credit where its due man.
[This message was edited Wed Jun 23 17:47:02 2004 by Moonwalkbjrain]

Harlepolis said:

i think it was naive of crazyhorse to say he is overrated...santana helped define an entire style of playing. not saying he created that particular style but he certainly gave it commercial life back in the day. quite honestly, though, his playing techniques and due props don't have anything to do with his ignorant comments. we'll see if any black owned and operated magazines mention elvin. what about urban stations or bet? yes, they are owned by "white america" but they still cater to the black population (to a degree, anyway). i have no doubt santana was being "honest"...at least, honest of his own feelings. his version of honesty, however, does not necessarily equate to accuracy.

it is a shame that this racial divide we have effects every aspect of american life. i've never heard of elvin jones. niether have any of my friends (of the ones i queried). not so coincidentally, jazz players just don't get much commercial recognition, regardless of color. i think it was going too far to pass this off as racism. the guy was simply NOT well known.

and by the way...i really DO think the beatles are overrated.

crazyhorse said:

No disrespect...but I think James Brown and his band have influenced more musicians than any other "band". Not to mention all the blues artist. And yes..I'm a little...not surprised but ....concerned that Elvin Jones' death didn't get that much play. I wouldn't call Ozzy "corny"...but I think Santana has a point. It's funny...but those that aren't....always think that those that are...are too sensitive. Life is funny.

Santana OVERrated????? Tell Prince that and DUCK!

Harlepolis said:

Carlos Santana is one of those guys who always speaks his mind,even if it offends some people.He simply wants younger folks to know about the "real" musical greats...folks like Buddy Guy,John Lee Hooker,Wayne Shorter and other great artists that never got the respect and recognition they deserved.I applaud Carlos for enlightening many of his fans,exposing them to artists that inspired him.

go carlos give ozzy what he deserves

The main idea of Santana's argument isn't to slam Ozzie - although he does this too - but to slam the major commercial music television channels and for this I salute him although I may not agree with the way this is done.

However, I imagine him sitting around the house mourning Jones' death and Ozbournes comes on.

Think about it; a tv-show about a dysfunctional family of uneducated, spoiled morons - the kids in particular - taking priority over the death of a musical genious on what's supposed to be music television

I can certainly appreciate where Santana's coming from..

CokeJohnson said:

Serves himself right for watching MTV then, he's old enough to know better.

EverlastingNow said:

LOL, duck from Prince.I should of been more clear on my meaning.Wasnt talking about his ability with a guitar.I think Santana as a group is over-rated.

James Brown influencing more people than Sabbath I dont agree with.When Paranoid was released in 1970 it was the begining of a whole new genre of music that has many sub-genre's today.Ozzy went off the deep end along time ago.He's straight fried these days and harmless.What I didnt like is Carlo's complete lack of respect for the many more accomplishments Sabbath had over his own.I'm not really even a huge fan of alot of their work either.But every time I listen to "War Pigs" and think of what else people were listening to at that time.Way ahead of it's time,alot like Velvet Underground was.Just my opinion.

You guys are gonna laugh at this,but I'm dead serious.I think Carlos should consider running for public office.Maybe governor of California.I read his interviews and he always makes alot of sense when he speaks.His opinions on world issues are incredible,he totally speaks the truth.

I think he sholdn't have called ozzy bad names. Like them or not, Black Sabatth influenced lot's of influencial bands like Nirvana, Alice in Chains, all heavy metal, and echoes of their creation can be heard nowadays from Silverchair to the darkness. I don't like his voice but i love even his solo carreer, just think about Rhandy Roads and listen to the diary of a madman, his band was great. Black Sabbath is more influential than Santana will ever be, like him or not. BUt at the same time he was right slamming MTV, MTV sucks, Ozzy is great. Too bad he turned into a stupid old man. It is a kind of a shame. He is very aware of it, i saw him saying to his son, "Don't mess with this things or you will end up like me"

DavidEye said:

Thats true!

One thing's common about the man is he neva CARES about how he comes across, ya know? He's neva the one who beats around the bush, his approach is always straight to the point and spontanious, right & wrong. Thats one of the main reasons why I personaly adore him.

I think people are focusing too much about "corny ass white people" quote and 4getting his WHOLE point.

Harlepolis said:

i think that is an unfair bias. what would have been the reaction if a white man had made those comments about (bad) hip hop or something? would we all be so quick to say that everyone's just focusing too much on the words "corny ass black people"? i don't think so. santana is a guitar god, by all means, but he did not choose his words well.