SassyBritches said:

Agreed! I love Santana. But bringing race into it makes him just as bad as the people he's condemning.

DavidEye said:

Why not. He couldn't be as bad as that wack-ass, dipshit that's already governor of California.

SassyBritches said:

Good morning heartache, thought we said goodbye last night

White politicians(and lot of common white people who appeared in TV discussion shows) are calling hip-hop "materialistic & degerading to women" WITHOUT any kind of exceptions whatsoever. Do you see me or anybody else paying any mind to that mess or crying our lungs out? Shiiiiit, speaking of my black corny ass, I sho as hell don't.

Let them ramble with the "corny ass black people" saga all they want, the black man has been dragged down to the ground with stereotypes and bullshit since the creation to this very day if you haven't noticed already. Slim Shady came to his reality recently with his "bootlegs" that dissed the daylight out of my people but nobody is saying JACK right now.

And to remind you dahling, that whole "corny ass white people" quote didn't even came from a black dude

Read beans & ricely yours!
[This message was edited Thu Jun 24 12:02:58 2004 by Harlepolis]

I miss this completely! I don't watch Mtv nor Bet or any other music video channel. I LISTEN to music! But if that's what Carlos said I agree totally! I personally choose not to let the music media dictate my musical opinion in anyway. My advice to orgers is to turn that crap off and put on your turntable a pre-1975 Funkadelic album!!!

Harlepolis said:

That would make a great signature. Ok..carry on.

Harlepolis said:

um, last i checked eminem got a bunch of shit for those comments...as he should have. but that was also how long ago? it died down like all things do.

yes, i am aware of carlos santana's ethnicity. your point is just what exactly? the bottom line is there are many double standards in this country of ours. perhaps when we stop looking at each other as victims, survivors, rulers or anything other than human, these ill-conceived public rantings will stop.

SassyBritches said:

I'm in love with you-errrr brain!

Supernova said:

Sorry, Nova. I coouldn't resist!




Why'd they let the Terminator win the election-----Jadakiss - "Why"

Chico1 said:

then look UP...my brain is NOT down there.

SassyBritches said:

Bunch of shit, for real? Where? Don't tell me the source magazine and it died down becoz he ain't worth it, just another drag thats all.

Besides I don't make any points, my talk is so plain a dumb deaf WALL will understand me in a heartbeat. Ol' boy Carlos is a mexican NOT black, why involve black folks into this discussion in the 1st place?

Harlepolis said:

so now i suppose it must mean something subliminal because i used black as an example? anyhow...i said black because here in america there seems to be a big problem with white/black relations. more so than any other white/minority relationship. i used black because the bottom line is that if it had been said, people would be in an uproar. yet, when a minority member (any minority member) says something racist against whites it should just be taken as fact? why? why is that ok? why is it not wrong on all sides in all directions?


[This message was edited Thu Jun 24 12:35:15 2004 by SassyBritches]

I understand Carlos's problems with the industry, but I really don't think its a race issue. Ray Charles' death has been all over the news (he's on the cover of "Rolling Stone" for pete's sake). I think this has more to do with the general public not being familiar with Elvin Jones. Its not about race, its about fame.

Now, I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist in this industry. It certainly does, but I think this is a bad example. Carlos also really shouldn't be singling Ozzy out. Sure, he's a joke now, but Black Sabbath was an incredibly influencial band. Their style is still being aped to this day. As for America, is Elvin Jones huge in Japan or something? I'd say these problems exist all over the world.

Fuck Santana. The death of Elvin Jones wasn't made into a big deal cuz most people don't know who the fuck he is. He was way out of line with those comments. He can suck Elvin Jones' decaying dick for all I care.

EvilWhiteMale said:

is it that hard to be positive?

sinisterpentatonic said:

Obviously a rhetorical question, no?

tA

Tribal Disorder

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SassyBritches said:

I'm not talking about you individualy, I'm talking in GENERAL terms. This doesn't apply to you alone, it apply to ALL of the people in this thread.

Its tired to involve black people into this discussion even tho they're not the ones who made these quotes. U feel me?

Hope I'm making sense this time.

Can we shove Carlos back in the studio so he can produce a 3rd AC-plagued piece of pap that will further erode his legacy?

theAudience said:

Apparently, since he hasn't replied?

Harlepolis said:

clearly, this doesn't apply to me at all. i'm not the psuedo-celebrity who made racist comments.



i do agree with you. i was just trying to make an example...using extremes that everyone can identify with. not everyone is familiar with mexican/white race issues but everyone in familiar with lack/white race issues so i figured i'd use that in my example. i hope no one misunderstood my intentions because i used a black/white relations in my example. it doesn't seem that anyone but you did so i hope this clears it up.

while we're at it:

carlos_santana said

certainly when he generalizes all artists on mtv as "corny ass white people", he is being, at the very least, prejudiced. mtv is not the video version of npr. if he wants a channel like that he should look into buying one. plain and simple. i do believe it was ok by him when mtv was playing his song with that corny ass whte boy, rob thomas, singing. according to his sweeping generalization, this is his opinion of that man.

i don't see the hype in mtv NOT showing news on this dead guy. their audience has no idea who he is. most of the world probably has no idea who he is or was. santana needs to geet a grip. and the double standard race bullshit is as tired as my earlier example.

SassyBritches said:

You B*tch!

Chico1 said:

SassyBritches said:

Put them there ---->

Chico1 said:

i've got something else to put there!

btw,this isn't the first time that Carlos has slammed Ozzy Osbourne.A year or so ago,he complained about the "The Osbournes",saying that he misses shows like "The Cosby Show" that spotlighted a positive family environment.He has a point.Call me crazy,but I'd rather watch re-runs of "The Brady Bunch" than to see a hopelessly dysfunctional family like The Osbournes,cursing and acting like fools on TV.

DavidEye said:

Amen.

DavidEye said:

The Osbourne's was a lo-key goofball reality show that took off in popularity. Who's to blame for that, the network or the hundreds of thousands of people who tuned in and enjoyed it?

Standard 30 min sitcoms with a happy ending and an idealized household come a dime a dozen on TV, and get pretty boring and predictable after a while.

Just because the Osbounes dye their hair pink and shoot paintballs at the neighbors, doesnt mean a majority of american families are brainless lemmings who will feel compelled to do the same. Some people just enjoy the show for what it is. I don't get why Ozzy has become a target for so many racism conspiracy theories brewing out there.

Tom said:

racism conspiracy theories and Ozzy.....huh..


lawd....what conspiracy theories surround Ozzy?


Ya'll are all over the place on this article.....I can't even figure out where to begin..so I'mma leave it alone.


Race relations in this country truly suck.....

Carlos is a Human being,just like you or me, he has feelings, he makes mistakes, he's a wonderful person also.When your in the public eye as we all know everything you say is under the microscope.That's why keeps his silence, because things can be taken out of context & made to suggest coming totally different.I totally agree with CokeJohnson;

Carlos fucked up a bit , so what ;in the 40 odd years he's been around how many times has he done that!
Hell i love Ozzy, how could you not, i reckon carlos was just upset and as COKE says seeing Ozzy probably wasn't what this very dedicated Artist , who's influenced in his ways, and a whole heap of people, needed to think about at this sensitive time.By the way Carlos ,as stated by himself in Guitar Player mag. has a shot of tequila before going on stage, plus smokes dope 'bout 3 times a week.So yeh he's human and was in the public eye when he probably shouldn't.

We all make mistakes, & say one thing then change our mind about things:
SassyBritches said:

Then sassyBritches says:

Because i've 'extracted' certain passages from 2 comments it seems she's not making any sense, which she isn't at this point.
has just put his arse on the line for months on end to recreate a persona where he can get to the people and share his knowledge of life & Musicianship.The theme of 'Musicology' is to promote "the Masters " of the past & acknowledge in his own words "there aren't many good musicians around & i'm gonna teach the young guy's some stuff".(not a direct quote,but in essence);Y'all know what i mean.When Prince said that Beyonce should learn an instrument as it would further Her skill as a singer, it was taken as positive criticism, not as an insult.Carlos also picked up on some young dudes a few years back and got them into the 'Hot Spot' playing with him, not to get a heap of attention, but as i feel, to help educate some younger musicians about the Art of recent past of music.

Tom said:

Alot of "reality shows" are popular these days,but that still doesn't mean that these are quality shows.Standard 30-minute sitcoms might be predictable,but I'd still choose a good family comedy any day,as opposed to 'The Osbournes'.I actually find reality shows to be predictable,trashy and annoying.Long after the reality show trend has worn off,people are still gonna remember good stuff like "Family Ties","Cosby Show" and "Growing Pains".

FLUX said:

i'm making plenty of sense.

first off, there's really no reason to drag prince (and it is prince, by the way...he's no longer ) into this. my comments regarding carlos santana's lame ass music was in reference to the lame ass music mtv supported a few years ago, not his entire career.

and no matter how you want to twist it, his comments plainly generalized an entire group of people. with his comments he became just as racist as the people he is accusing.