estelle1981 said:

If you wanna know how Madonna's tour is doing,don't waste your time watching crappy tabloid shows like "Inside Edition".This is what you should be keeping an eye on,since I know you're hoping to see her fail (lol)....


http://www.billboard.com/...xscore.jsp

Last week,Madonna claimed 4 of the Top 5 highest-grossing shows in the last two weeks.Her two Vegas shows alone grossed over $7 million.And it's not just the U.S. fans who are buying up tickets...50,000 tickets to her August 29 gig in Ireland sold out in only two hours,and she's considering adding a fourth show in Toronto.And the $11 million that CBS paid her to air one of the shows is unprecedented.Even Michael Jackson didn't get that much money when they aired his 2001 25th Anniversary concert special.

VoicesCarry said:

DavidEye said:

I have a subscription to Entertainment Weekly (which is pretty accurate with their numbers) and they have been putting the top 15 grossing tours in their music section for almost 2 months now. Last week, I saw no Madonna anywhere on that list or in this week's issue either. However, Prince is and has been listed in the top ten since EW started calculating the top grossing summer tours. This week, he was at number 2, 3, and 5. Plus, Inside Edition is no more a tabloid show than ET. They are pretty up to date, as is Ticketmaster.com, which still has plenty of Madonna tickets last time I checked. But, I can't change your mind and you sure as heck can't change mine. Her ticket sales are like her album sales for "American Life", slow.

VoicesCarry said:

No, Madonna "justifies" her ticket prices to her DIEHARD, OBSESSED fans. If her tickets were $50 to $75 like Prince and almost every other artist out this summer, I would love to go and see her. I might go hit up the No Doubt show, since they didn't go temperarily insane when they started doing their ticket prices. Their show's tickets are $30 to $50. I wouldn't pay $300 to see Madonna, because she's supposedly airing the concert on CBS for free. I can watch her in my living room without paying $300 and being crowded by obsessed Maddy fans. Plus, don't underestimate the Britney fans. Many of them are 10 times more obsessed than any Madonna fan I've met and J.Lo fans are even worse than that. I love Prince and all, but I wouldn't pay $300 to watch him do anything, but some people would and more power to them if Prince rules their world that much. Maybe it's because I don't put any celebrity on a pedestal. Nobody is worth $300 to me. For $300, we'd better get to hang out and shoot the breeze before I take to my front row chair.

estelle1981 said:

I have to say I agree with you. It's highway robbery to make someone pay money like that to see someone who, from what I've heard, doesn't do a full 2 hour show. I'm not singling out Madonna cause I wouldn't pay that much for Prince either. I too would love to see Madonna but for that money, I could put that into paying off my car.

estelle1981 said:

I agree with you there. The only time I paid $300 for a ticket was Family Jamm, and I spoke to and hung out with Sheila E., Lisa and Wendy!!!! Were it not for snagging a Madonna ticket at half price, I wouldn't have gone. And boy, am I glad I did. I never imagined I'd be more emotionally moved by a Madonna show than a Prince show, but I certainly was.

purplecam said:


Amen! Last time I checked, gas was $2 a gallon and her tour isn't making too many stops in the south. She must have gone bonkers if she thinks that some people are going to pay $300 for floor or even $50 for nosebleed, pay for gas to drive to get there, possibly pay for parking, and then pay for some momentos. It's cute how some celebrities must think that everybody is rich or well-off. This is the main reason I don't go to the movies. I can rent it at Blockbuster for $5, keep it for a week, and watch it more than once. If they put the concert on CBS, I'll tape it when it airs or buy it for $20 if they put it on DVD. If all of her fans have this type of cash flow, all I can say is, "Please make donations to the estelle fund."

7salles said:

Then he'd be sued by "?" from ? & The Mysterians.

estelle1981 said:

So, like I said, madonna is an idiot.

otan said:

A wealthy one, since a bunch of her idiot followers, of which I am proudly one, are still going to see her.

Don't be bitter.

estelle1981 said:

Actually,Madonna is playing several shows in the south...

July 24---Atlanta
July 25---Atlanta
July 28---Sunrise,Florida
July 29---Sunrise,Florida
August 1---Miami,Florida
August 2---Miami,Florida

estelle1981 said:

If Britney charged $300 for tickets,she wouldn't be able to sellout even one night at an arena.She is not Madonna.You have to understand that,for the most part,Madonna's fans are older (as opposed to the teenyboppers who support Britney),they've been fans of hers for at least two decades,and they apparently have the disposable income to pay that type of money.Another thing is...Madonna doesn't tour that often,so when she does,it's an "event".If you miss Britney on tour this year,you can simply wait and see her in another few years.Same applies to many other artists who tour frequently,including Prince.But who knows when,or if,Madonna will tour again? I'm not saying that I was thrilled to pay $300 to see Madonna.Just saying that,all things considered,I can understand why her tickets would be more expensive than your typical pop music tour.
[This message was edited Wed Jun 23 5:47:12 2004 by DavidEye]

estelle1981 said:

If Madonna wasn't anywhere on that list,then it can't possibly be accurate...lol...like I said before,her two Vegas shows grossed over $7 million,which surely would have put her at the top or near the top of any list,dontcha think? And her three San Jose shows were all sold out,and the HP Pavilion is a huge place.But in any case,I'll continue to rely on Billboard to post the correct numbers.That's their specialty,remember.

estelle1981 said:

Funny,you don't seem like a Madonna fan to me.All you do is talk shit about her,going out of your way to try to prove that her tour is a failure.I just viewed a list of your recent posts,and I see that you appear on nearly every Madonna thread,but never with anything even remotely positive to say.With "fans" like you,who needs enemies?


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[This message was edited Wed Jun 23 5:59:41 2004 by DavidEye]

I mean, being from Calgary, I couldn't afford to travel to Toronto
then pay whatever to go to her concert,

but I think that has less to do with the ticket price
and more to do with WHERE she chooses her tour dates.

I'd shell out top dollar to see Madonna
but only if she would do a show near me,
where alot of acts (Tina Turner, U2, Janet Jackson) manage to hit.

So it's not like a $40 ticket would make me travel to Toronto.

Yeah,I know it sucks that she's skipping so many major areas on this tour.Fans in Australia are going insane because she's totally ignoring them this time.And here in the U.S.,she's skipping entire states like Texas and even her home state of Michigan! But for those of you who won't get to see her,have no fear.There's the CBS special,the inevitable DVD release of the show,and even a movie of the tour.Read on....



Madonna hopes to have her next feature-length documentary ready to debut at the 2005 Cannes Film Festival.A sequel of sorts to "Truth Or Dare",the film chronicles her current Reinvention Tour and the "new" Madonna,among other things.Director Jonas Akerlund ("American Life","Ray Of Light") said that after each night's concert,he heads back to his hotel room to start editing,because the amount of footage he's collected so far is massive---some 150,000 feet in just the last two months.His crew said that the hardest part is keeping up with the Material Mom,who seems to have endless amounts of energy to dance,do yoga and run. (Source:MTV News).

DavidEye said:

::Estelle pulls out road mapL::....Atlanta-9 to 10 hour drive one-way...okay, next destination. Florida....well, since Sunrise is pretty close to Miami that would be an almost 20 hour drive one way....No tours in Houston or Dallas which is a lot closer to Mississippi and Louisiana and Arkansas and Oklahoma....shall I continue. Even Prince was decent enough to stop in Dallas and even Bossier City, which is a little town that if you blink you'd miss it.
P.S. You will be getting a nice atlas in the mail, because Atlanta is more East Coast than South to the majority of people who happen to actually live in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama, which is technically the south. Atlanta--Southeast...Louisisana--Southsouth All those geography classes actually paid off.

DavidEye said:

Actually, Prince was at Number 3 for his two Vegas shows, and they were about the same time as Madonna's Vegas shows. Nope, she wasn't on there. Just because an artist isn't on the list doesn't mean that the list isn't accurate. EW gave two reviews of her tour and they spoke very highly of it, so they weren't "hating" on Madonna (man, that's still the dumbest retaliation I've ever heard). Celine Dion was number one this week on that list with over $2.5 million dollars for her Vegas show. Since neither of us works for these two companies, I'm not going to say that either one of them is inaccurate. From my understanding, EW takes all of the information from Billboard, Soundscan, and Ticketmaster. That's their specialty. Plus, you might want to check those dates for that Billboard website that you put up. They are calculating the week of May 24-29. Isn't this the end of June? How is that last week?
[This message was edited Wed Jun 23 9:55:45 2004 by estelle1981]

dag...people at prince sites argue over anything, lol.

DavidEye said:

The only things I've said about Madonna is that her tour isn't sold out like journalists keep saying it is and that she didn't write her hit songs. So, because I happen to speak truth and give accurate sources for my opinions, that makes me a "hater"? ( Man, that is such a stupid term.) I never once said that her tour was a failure. I just stated that it wasn't sold out like journalists keep saying it is. Funny, let the journalist say something bad about the tour and it's all bullshit, but they say something that the fans want to hear and it's all true....typical. I didn't believe when journalists said that Prince had sold out all of his dates...I actually researched it by going on different ticket websites, including Ticketmaster, which is one of the top ticket selling sites. He didn't sell out all the shows that they said he sold out. Just because I don't suck up to the artist doesn't make me any less of a fan than you are, my Dear. Her tour isn't a failure, unless she starts cancelling a large number of dates due to poor ticket sales, which she hasn't done. I just said it has slow ticket sales and there's nothing wrong with that. I've never said that she wasn't a talented lady. I think she's an amazing business woman after I saw all the artists she has signed to Maverick....Michelle Branch being one of them and her album was great. I like Ms. Ritchie. I've even stuck up for all of her movies...well, except for that last one, which was....well, it just was. The fact that my opinion of your idol bothers you just amazes me. I've had people tell me some horrible things about Prince. If that's the way they feel about him, that's their opinion and more power to them, because I'm not going to try and change how they feel. Nor, am I going to insult them. Like the old expression goes, "The Truth Hurts", otherwise you wouldn't be arguing with my opinions.
[This message was edited Wed Jun 23 8:54:06 2004 by estelle1981]

I saw a Prince show and a Madonna show in the same week in San Jose. Madonna isn't about the music. She's about culture, paraphernalia, and pushing people's buttons with a glut of symbology. I found the Madonna show to be a bore though mildly interesting for its cultural and nostalgic value (which I will never underestimate).

But the Prince show was oh my god...it exceeds words! sublime

BTW, it's common for religious initiates to take on a spiritual name such as "Esther". It doesn't mean you change your name or drop your birth name. The spiritual name recognizes a spiritual identity used usually only among brethren on the same path.

The name Esther reminds me of Aunt Esther from the TV sitcom Sanford and Son.



Now, if Madonna could holler out, "Hallelujah" and "Lord have mercy!" like Esther did, she may be onto something. I used to love it when Esther and Fred would get into shouting matches with each other.

estelle1981 said:

You've definitely given the impression of a strong Madonna dislike. DavidEye's willingness to continue debating seems in line with showing an alternate viewpoint to me, and not a reluctance to accept the "truth". What "truth"? The truth that he likes Madonna and you don't? Bottom line, you two are discussing personal opinions, and that's all it is -- your own personal truth. For every fact that either of you has, the other has an equally valid fact to counter it. Big deal.

That said, you know DavidEye is right, don't you?

Sign O The Times. If this story came out five or ten years ago, it would be headlining making news. Now it's just a big yawn. I'm sure the crew at Fox and Friends had a field day with it. But they're retards, so...
This just confirms my beliefs that Madonna may make more money, but Prince is so much cooler than she'll ever even hope to be. Madonna just tries too hard. And it shows.

shygirl said:

"Tries too hard" at what? This is just a silly,misunderstood story that the media has blown out of proportion.As Madonna clearly explained on "20/20" the other night,she is not legally changing her name.Her future recordings will continue to be labeled "Madonna".This is actually a non-story,but I guess since there's no recent news on MJ,they needed something to write about,lol.

but while the media concentrates on the dumb stuff,Madonna continues to dazzle fans on her tour...

Here's a shot of Maddy with new backup singer Siedah Garret,at one of the New York shows this week...

"I guess I'll find another way,there's so much more to know
I guess I'll Die Another Day,it's not my time to go"

DavidEye said:

OMG is that Siedah Garret??? Is she a backup singer?? :shock:

She is the lady who has written Man In The Mirror for MJ. And She did a duet with him to on the mike written track I just Cant Stop Loving You...

Was she always a backup singer? I'm so sorry for her. She is an amazing writer and a great vocalist. She deserves much more

Yes,that is the same Siedah Garret who wrote "Man In The Mirror" for MJ,and sings with him on "I Just Can't Stop Loving You".She's doing a great job on the Madonna tour,and she even gets to do a solo during "Like A Prayer" (the audience goes crazy!).No need to feel sorry for her.She still releases solo albums,but only on her official website.Her latest CD features her own version of "Man In The Mirror" and she recently performed it on an episode of "The Wayne Brady Show".She's doing okay,and Madonna has tremendous respect for her.