I hate to admit that Patience is pure hot garbage.

For starters, the music lacks structure and innovation and they all sound alike. Furthermore, we know you're gay George, so why are you insisting on shoving it down our throats in all of your songs?

I was highly disappointed in this album and will immediately post this on eBay for re-sale. From now on I'll just keep replaying my Ladies and Gentlemen CD.

I hate to admit that you're right.

It simply sounds like leftover, half-finished ideas from the Older sessions. I mean, there are some standouts- like "My Mother Had a Brother" and the song right before that one- but most of it, like you said lacks structure and innovation. "Flawless" is pure garbage. I was disappointed....

Of course, now some of it is growing on me...

jtgillia said:

I'll try to give it another listen, but I seriously doubt it's going to grow on me. I have to have something to work with and there's nothing there.

i haven't heard it yet. hmmm....

as for the "we know you're gay george" aspect, it is something that lyrically he has not dealt with for years and years and years, so if it's all over the album, I'm not too surprised. I think supressing that part of himself artistically for so long makes some sort of flood inevitable.

madartista said:

I hear what you're saying but honestly, who cares? It is possible to make a love song without the direct reference to your sexual preference.

okaypimpn said:

He cares, and a lot of his gay fans, myself included, care. Yes it is possible to make a song without direct reference, or even flat out "lying" by singing about she/her etc. But he already did that for the last 20 years. This time around, the straight fans can be the ones who change the pronouns in their heads.

madartista said:

I'm not going to even waste my breath.

okaypimpn said:

madartista said:

I agree. I'm straight, and it doesn't bother me at all. It's good music, beautifully written. He's not a raging queen, "shoving it down our throats". Apparently, it's OK if a straight person makes an entire album about a relationship, sex or love - that isn't "shoving it down our throats", but if a gay artist does, the double standard kicks in.

VoicesCarry said:

I disagree....I've heard artist who I know are in a relationship when they put out some music and you just want to throw the fuck up....ie Common/erykah badu.....India Arie/musiq....

I love erykah but she sucked the life out of common's music and we had to hear about it....india cut her locs and lost her mind with Musiq....so there are straight artist that get on my nerves when they are in love.....

Rhondab said:

True, but the original statement was about being a George Michael fan and having to deal with homosexual love in the lyrics.

"Furthermore, we know you're gay George, so why are you insisting on shoving it down our throats in all of your songs?"

Well, if an artist you like writes a record about love (and I'm sure that's happened outside of the cases you mentioned), do you go around saying "Furthermore, we know you're straight _____, so why are you insisting on shoving it down our throats in all of your songs?". The record is not overtly sexual or X-rated, he simply uses same-sex pronouns. I can't see how that in itself can be a negative. That's who he is. The subject is tastefully handled on Patience - it is not overbearing. But okaypimpn only wants him to write songs "without direct reference to (his) sexual preference".

If you want to pick a bone (pun intended) with his songcraft, that's another issue.
[This message was edited Wed Jun 2 18:09:09 2004 by VoicesCarry]

I think it's a *** (out of 5) album.

There's some good stuff in there, but it IS patchy and repetitive.

Great albums usually are not easily digestable. It needs to grow on you. Put it down and come back with no expectations. You'll probably enjoy it more. I disagree about your statement about the music boring (so to speak). Patience is a headphones type of record. In order to hear all the intricacies of the music. For example, I love Me'Shell Nedege'Ocello and her music, but when 'Bitter' first came out I hated it. It was just recently when I was burning a copy for my little sister, that I reexamined it and was able to enjoy it. I realised that after lettinf it settle how really good it was. I have done the same with Prince albums. Good music is not like McDonalds, instant consumption...then leaving you hungry for somthing more substantial.

Peace, Serveitupfrankie*

I wanted 2 like this album so much but I just can't get in2 it. The fast songs are pretty good but the slower stuff just is lacking 4 me...Except 4 Prince George had remained my number 2 fav. He just seems to have lost his touch at writing a great ballad...I listen 2 Musicology all the time and tried 2 listen 2 Patience again the other day but just didn't feel it...The interview with Oprah last week was pretty good and "Amazing" sounded pretty good live...I hope he releases some b sides 4 the upcoming singles.

wishuhvn said:

Yes, i bought this album due 2 all the hype and "you must buy's " from u orgers..and yet..i feel like i wasted some of my money. I wouldve rather bought it used.

I mean I (now) like Amazing, I think Flawless is wonderful (my favorite) Freek was nice 2 put on here, and My Mother Had A Brother.

Otherwise it is overhyped. I mean i respect him very very much, but he doesnt have....i dont know...he really needs 2 work on structuring his tunes....sometimes they go far as being experimentals...which 4 him... is not a good thing. But like a suka..i will buy his next album 2.

Hmm,interesting discussion.I like George Michael,but I still haven't gotten his new CD yet.

VoicesCarry said:

Luther has done it for years and it hasn't hurt his fanbase.

okaypimpn said:

True, but that's not really the point. While I'm sure most gay fans are happy to hear it, his fanbase hasn't demanded it. George has made it very clear that he's not the least bit concerned about what fans/the media want. What it is about is that he is an artist, and he has the right to express himself as he chooses.

I think Patience is a great cd. I'm diggin all of it except for maybe one or two songs that are just so-so.

okaypimpn said:

So im guessing that u wouldnt have been bothered if he'd had substituted 'boy' 4 'girl' in the songs then? Why the hell can't he sing openly about HIS life. So u dont like it - big deal, get rid, move on! Personally, that album has helped me make some MASSIVE changes in my life since it's release, and has become very personal 2 me. But that's just my as at least I know it's all relative but as 4 your comments about the gay aspect of the album... What gives there? Is it THAT big a deal 2 u? ...Really?

4 the record, the sheer volume of songs out there that are about boy meets girl, boy falls in love with girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl back and gets married and has 2.4 children is overwhelming, why the fuck can't we have a few songs about boy meets boy and lives happily ever-after once in awhile?

The whole point of being an artist is being true 2 yourself - and like Madartista said, he's supressed that part of himself 4 so long, why shouldn't he write songs about it? Personally, this album is his most honest and bare - u just gotta dig deeper than the surface.

I'm done here.

madartista said:

Which is exactly why I'm selling my copy back. Thanks for helping to back my initial point!

okaypimpn said:

Glad to help, even though that was only PART of your point. Anyway, I'll paypal you $10 for your CD!

madartista said:

Don't forget my other point...the CD sucks!

Same here. I picked up the album last week and have been playin it in my car on the way to work. Nothin really great on it. I do like George Michael alot tho.

bananacologne said:

garganta said:

I meant to do that earlier.

Nicely done, 'Nana

bananacologne said:

One of two things is going on here...either you didn't read what I said earlier or you're just not the sharpest knife in the drawer (I'm going to go with the latter), but nevertheless, let me try to break it down for you...

THAT'S

WHY

I

PLAN

TO

RE-SELL

IT

ON

EBAY

Get it now?



You've been done! Next.

okaypimpn said:

If there's one thing we don't need any more of it's 'generic' love songs. I for one am very happy to hear someone sing about love using gay relationships as a theme. Maybe it 'll get some people realize love = love , no matter who what or where. I'm not saying he's standing up for our rights or anything like that (that Melissa's Job ) but the more people can talk, sing, write about it in a normal way i think the more people will grow to accept the fact that a gay relationship is just as regular just as uneventfull just as 'un-special' as any other.

If this sounds sappy, clichéd or naive: SUE ME!

greetz
Kev1n

kev1n said:

Look, it wouldn't really matter one bit if said songs were as good as say "Jesus To A Child", "Fastlove" or "Outside", but "American Angel" really is a turd in turd's clothing, "My Dead Gay Uncle" is equally bad, and the drama queenery of "Through" is the best vomit-inducer I've ever heard.