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PrintableDavidEye said: estelle1981 said: Unless Madonna is parting some lakes or turning water into wine for her fans, her ticket prices prove that she's just trying to milk every penny out of what hardcore fans she has left. I was a big Madonna fan, until I realized that shock tactics are stupid and boring. I see more shocking stuff in commercials and on awards shows than what I just read of Madonna's current tour. Shocking to me is doing something that people least expect. If Madonna made a concert where she was singing nothing but her ballads, wasn't wearing lingerie at any point during the show, and had no sexual themes whatsoever....now that would be shocking to me. From what I just read, it sounds like a typical Madonna show. She's going to sing that crap from AL....who wants to pay $300 bucks for that? Most people didn't even want to pay the $15 for the album. I love all the major icons from the 80's, but I find it odd that Madonna is doing a tour at the same time as Prince. At least Prince has a new album out to do a tour to, AL came out almost two years ago. Oh, and it's a "Hits Tour" too..
 Looks like someone is trying to steal someone else's thunder. I wouldn't mind going to Madonna's new tour if 1) the tickets weren't ridiculously priced like they are, 2) she wasn't playing any of that garbage from AL, 3) she was actually doing a show that was different from her previous tour...ya know minus the overplayed and boring shock tactics that she can't seem to let go of, 4) she actually did a tour; I don't consider 6 shows in Madison Square Garden, 2 in Vegas and a couple in between to be a real tour. I guess all the fans that she has left are only in Vegas and NY  ...yeah, Okay, and 5) she was actually playing the hits that made her famous. That setlist is disappointing to me. I don't like anything after "Bedtime Stories". I may be the only person alive who hated "Ray of Light"....couldn't stand all that God-awful worbbling that she was doing towards the end, and I wanted to punch her after I heard "Music". I would buy some tickets off of Ebay, but like I said, she won't be making a trip to Louisiana, or Texas, or any other state that's in driving distance to me. Re-invention Tour is right....she thinks she's re-invented herself into an artist that is worthy of $300 tickets. She wasn't worth that much in her hayday. But, to all those who are going, I hope you enjoy the show. It sounds fun....unoriginal....but fun. 
First of all,Madonna first mentioned a tour shortly after 'American Life' came out,and long before Prince's whole 'Musicology' CD and tour (go back and look up her spring 2003 interviews).So she is not out to "steal" his thunder.Using your logic,I guess we could accuse Sting of the same thing,since he's another 80s icon who will also be touring this summer.And btw,'American Life' did NOT come out "two years ago".It was released in April 2003,a little over a year ago.For the most part,Maddy always waits a year or so AFTER an album comes out,to launch a tour. Secondly,why shouldn't Madonna sing stuff from 'American Life'? It's her LATEST album! I'm of the opinion that,an artist should always stand behind their music,regardless of how well it does commercially.Prince's 'Lovesexy' album was a commercial flop in 1988,but he still toured with it.His 1998 album 'New Power Soul' was disappoinitng,but he still played many of those songs on tour.'American Life' is where Madonna is at,emotionally and spiritually.Those fans who can't accept it,well,maybe they should move on.As a longtime fan,I'm interested in hearing these songs played live and seeing Madonna play songs that reflect her life RIGHT NOW . Thirdly,i can't see how any longtime Madonna fan could have a problem with her "shock tactics".I mean,come on....Madonna is an extreme person with extreme thoughts.That's why we love her so much (lol).You mentioned that you'd like to see her singing ballads,with no sexual themes or shock tactics.If that's what you want,you should go see Celine Dion instead.Madonna is not known for being subtle.as I mentioned above,understatement is not her style.When she goes on tour,she pulls out all the stops,breaking rules,and making folks confront things that they would rather not deal with. I do agree with you,I wish she were playing more dates in more places.An artist of her staure should really do a 6-month tour,and maybe take a break and then do another leg (like Cher's last tour).That's the only way her millions of fans around the world would get to see her.But she has mentioned that she is doing this tour in the summer because she doesn't tour when her children are in school.So that's why the tour is so brief.But it absurd to suggest that the "all the fans she has left are in Vegas and New York".lol.In fact,many fans in other countries (Australia,Canada,etc) have started on-line petitions to get her play their areas.And here in the States,there are lots of fans in places like Texas who are pissed that she is skipping their state.For Maddy to satisfy all her fans,she would have to stay on the road for a year or so and we all know that's not possible. You seem to have alot of problems with Madonna and this tour.Remember you can wait and see it on CBS,and see what you missed (lol). Lol actually I think that Madonna has much more fans outside the US than inside. Adding to what you say Davideye, I can understand people not liking Madonna's music or personna or any of her first three tours (yes Blonde Ambition included). But i have yet to see anyone (including people who hate her) watching the Girlie Show or the Drowned World tour and not being amazed. As for the AL album being her worst... well i disagree actually it's one of her best and she should perform songs from there. Judging by the sales only we should conclude that "true blue" was her best?Come on besides the singles there was nothing else in there | |
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Madonna says her tour will be an "assault on the senses"
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SassyBritches said:
almost every madonna show is sold out. i'm not going to bother going through every show and typing in a ticket amount because i am not the one who needs convincing. maybe you should try that one for yourself. la is sold out, philly is sold out chicago is sold out. most of the ny shows are sold out. i only know this because i looked into tickets in those cities. don't take my word for it, though. just check for yourself.
Well, the only one they put as being sold out was the Vegas show, which is no longer listed on there. The rest of the venues must still have open seats, because why would they not take the name off if seats are no longer available? If Ticketmaster doesn't have anymore tickets, then most of them are probably on Ebay....which I also checked and saw a large amount of Madonna tickets on, and a nice amount of Prince also. If you can still find tickets to any of these venues in more than one location, than it's not sold out.....but that's kind of a common sense thing. You don't have to do any typing to see what is soo obviously right in front of your face. I'm not the one who needs convincing. SPREAD LOVE UNTIL THE SUN'S FINAL RISE--The Duality a.k.a. "WYNTER SKYE" | |
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okaypimpn said: Madonna says her tour will be an "assault on the senses"
...namely sight and hearing.  Plucked that thought right out of my head.  "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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estelle1981 said: SassyBritches said:
almost every madonna show is sold out. i'm not going to bother going through every show and typing in a ticket amount because i am not the one who needs convincing. maybe you should try that one for yourself. la is sold out, philly is sold out chicago is sold out. most of the ny shows are sold out. i only know this because i looked into tickets in those cities. don't take my word for it, though. just check for yourself.
Well, the only one they put as being sold out was the Vegas show, which is no longer listed on there. The rest of the venues must still have open seats, because why would they not take the name off if seats are no longer available? If Ticketmaster doesn't have anymore tickets, then most of them are probably on Ebay....which I also checked and saw a large amount of Madonna tickets on, and a nice amount of Prince also. If you can still find tickets to any of these venues in more than one location, than it's not sold out.....but that's kind of a common sense thing. You don't have to do any typing to see what is soo obviously right in front of your face. I'm not the one who needs convincing. i have no idea what you mean by "take the name off if seats are no longer available." do you mean why are they still listing the tickets? that's simple...they keep them up there until the day of the show, regardless of availability. do you only consider a concert sold out when tickets aren't available through ticketmaster AND scalper outlets? honestly, that's kind of stupid. that is how scalpers make money...by selling tickets to SOLD OUT events. [This message was edited Mon May 24 15:54:41 2004 by SassyBritches] | |
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i have no idea what you mean by "take the name off if seats are no longer available." do you mean why are they still listing the tickets? that's simple...they keep them up there until the day of the show, regardless of availability. do you only consider a concert sold out when tickets aren't available through ticketmaster AND scalper outlets? honestly, that's kind of stupid. that is how scalpers make money...by selling tickets to SOLD OUT events.
I mean why are they still listing the venue name. I went on Ticketmaster.com three weeks ago and next to the two Vegas shows, the words "SOLD OUT" were seen by my two eyes. The only two sold out shows in a listing of 37 shows. I have yet to believe what someone has to say over what I see with my own two eyes. I checked Ticketmaster again last week and the two Vegas shows had been removed....meaning that Ticketmaster had no more tickets to sell for that venue. Maybe some scalpers have some of the tickets, but I think those two shows have few, if any, empty seats at all. Britney sold out her Vegas show, as did Prince, so I don't doubt that Madonna has done the same. I count nosebleed seats as being sold out. If an artist has just sold out the floor seats, that's not a sold out show to me. Maybe Madonna has sold out all the floors on these supposedly sold out shows, but that doesn't mean she's sold out the entire show...not to me anyway. If 100 or more seats are still open, it's not close to being sold out in my book, but, like I said, some people define 'sold out' differently from me. Some of the shows that Prince supposedly sold out still had empty seats from what I've been told by people who went to that show, but he has sold out some of his shows, because he's added dates to return to those cities. Why return to a city if you didn't sell out that venue? Plus, you can call the ticketmaster toll free number, talk to a ticketmaster operator and ask them what shows are sold out. They will happily tell you. Ticketmaster works hand-in-hand with many of these venues, so I would think they would have an idea of whether they are sold out or not. SPREAD LOVE UNTIL THE SUN'S FINAL RISE--The Duality a.k.a. "WYNTER SKYE" | |
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SassyBritches said:
with all of your demands for concert performances, you must get disappointed frequently. either that or you just don't go to many concerts. i mean, you're only paying 75 bucks for a prince ticket...not 1000! LOL.
as for the madonna show. look, i don't agree with those prices. i made the choice to wait it out and see if i could get a deal...which i did. one thing that i don't get is why everyone's bitching and moaning about madonna singing new songs. i'd like to think that people who would pay 300 bucks or 150 bucks to see someone perform live would actually be interested in their new material. i mean, why pay 300 dollars for someone whose recent material you don't like? I don't listen to alot of commercial artists anymore, because many of them don't seem to be able to think for themselves. It's all about the Bling, big houses, fancy cars, and designer outfits....not about the joy of making music. Whatever sells, I guess. I like the originals like Prince and Madonna. Plus, it's hard for me to drop my classes to run to concerts. I'm 4 hours from New Orleans and an hour from Shreveport, LA. These are the two cities in Louisiana that get most of the concerts. I don't have the time or money to be driving that far for an artist that I'm not crazy about. Prince, Madonna, Janet, Micheal, Patti...now those are artists I would pay to see, but they don't make it to this area very often. I love the fact that Madonna is soo ballsy, but hate the fact that some of the things that have come out of her mouth are either hypocritical or make her sound like a complete hater. I was surprised that Prince's tickets were soo inexpensive this time out, because he's at the Essence Festival in New Orleans in July and floor tickets are $125....but most of that goes to a charity and there are other good artists on that three-day festival, so I wouldn't mind paying it. But, I have summer session and don't have the time to drive that far. Ebay is a savior to many.  I don't know how much of that money actually goes to the artist as apposed to the seller, because they try to sell $70 tickets for $250 sometimes. It's not a matter of new songs, it's songs that sound like preaching that I don't like. Trust me, if you listen to "The Rainbow Children", the majority of it sounds like something you'd hear off the religious network. I can go to church for free. Plus, I don't like AL, because TO ME, it makes no sense to talk about a place where you no longer reside or call home. She can talk about American life all she wants to, but I'm not going to take her seriously or like it, because she's happily living in London now. It's reminiscent of the Dixie Chicks bad-mouthing Bush, which I think was blown waay out of proportion. The troops are over there fighting for Freedom of Speech. I didn't like the fact that they said it over in France, but they came back to the states and said the exact same thing, so I didn't have a problem with them after that. This is all just my opinion and more power to those who feel differently.[This message was edited Tue May 25 13:17:40 2004 by estelle1981] SPREAD LOVE UNTIL THE SUN'S FINAL RISE--The Duality a.k.a. "WYNTER SKYE" | |
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Funny, over here, the media 2day have been giving it really bad reviews - the national radio station were even talking 2 fans that had walked out wanting their money back.
Personally, when I go 2 a show I wanna be entertained...not see some high & mighty superstar 'breaking down in tears' in front of video screens showing graphic war imagery. Politicians do the job they are supposed 2 do - why can't entertainers just fucking 'entertain' anymore!?! So, from what Ive heard - I aint 'shocked' As much as I like Madonna, im just kinda disapointed she'd stoop 2 something so crass. 
But hey - she's had a good run, and she ended on a real career high: by disapearing up her own ass on stage. Bravo!!  | |
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***During her performance of John Lennon's "Imagine",she will break down in tears in front of pictures of starving children.  I just saw this part of the post.
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bananacologne said: Funny, over here, the media 2day have been giving it really bad reviews - the national radio station were even talking 2 fans that had walked out wanting their money back.
Personally, when I go 2 a show I wanna be entertained...not see some high & mighty superstar 'breaking down in tears' in front of video screens showing graphic war imagery. Politicians do the job they are supposed 2 do - why can't entertainers just fucking 'entertain' anymore!?! So, from what Ive heard - I aint 'shocked' As much as I like Madonna, im just kinda disapointed she'd stoop 2 something so crass.
But hey - she's had a good run, and she ended on a real career high: by disapearing up her own ass on stage. Bravo!! I'm a Madonna fan and I agree. Sounds like this tour just plain sucks. I mean, maybe she thinks she's there to convert us to the Kaballah, when I just want to hear some fucking pop music. It also appears that about 0 of DavidEye's rumours actually made it into the show. All the reviews say she's mellowed. [This message was edited Tue May 25 15:27:31 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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VoicesCarry said: bananacologne said: Funny, over here, the media 2day have been giving it really bad reviews - the national radio station were even talking 2 fans that had walked out wanting their money back.
Personally, when I go 2 a show I wanna be entertained...not see some high & mighty superstar 'breaking down in tears' in front of video screens showing graphic war imagery. Politicians do the job they are supposed 2 do - why can't entertainers just fucking 'entertain' anymore!?! So, from what Ive heard - I aint 'shocked' As much as I like Madonna, im just kinda disapointed she'd stoop 2 something so crass.
But hey - she's had a good run, and she ended on a real career high: by disapearing up her own ass on stage. Bravo!! I'm a Madonna fan and I agree. Sounds like this tour just plain sucks. I mean, maybe she thinks she's there to convert us to the Kaballah, when I just want to hear some fucking pop music. It also appears that about 0 of DavidEye's rumours actually made it into the show. All the reviews say she's mellowed. VC,Madonna is not trying to convert anybody to the Kabbalah.I guess you didn't read USA Today's four-star review of the show... The two-hour career overview arrives among cynical buzz about ploys to shore up sagging album sales with a quick-buck oldies tour featuring a Kabbalah pulpit.Nonsense.Aside from "Papa Don't Preach",rendered as a saucy romp,and a gorgeous version of "Like A Prayer",religious references scattered throughout the non-stop dance party are arty and mildly provocative.She briefly dons a "Kabbalists do it better" T-shirt and wears the mystic sect's Red String around her left wrist,but otherwise avoids sermonizing,except to wholeheartedly fulfill Kaballah's mandate to promote a positive flow of energy Also,those pre-tour "rumors" were not mine,they came from a London tabloid,hardly a reliable source.As for your assertion that you "just want to hear some fucking pop music"....most of the media and fan reviews indicate that this show is indeed more focused on the music.On several numbers,Maddy even sings without any special effects or props distracting from the actual performance.But this is irrelevent in your case,since you've already decided not to go to the show. bananacologne...how long have you been a Madonna fan? I ask this because ANY longtime fan would know that Madonna ALWAYS expresses her views,whether folks wanna hear it or not.The war is a big issue for her,so she's making a loud anti-war statement on this tour."Express yourself,don't repress yourself",remember?.From what I've read,the show seems to have plenty of lighter moments too.But most fans know that,when they go to a Madonna concert,they're gonna hear her "extreme point of view" on any issue that she wants to address.You want a simple,no-frills show without a message or theme? I suggest you go see Jessica Simpson or Beyonce in concert. [This message was edited Wed May 26 4:15:55 2004 by DavidEye] | |
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Well, as far as I'm concerned, what I'm hearing about this tour sounds great. When is the CBS broadcast? 
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JediMaster said: When is the CBS broadcast?
No date has been determined.But I can't wait til this show ends up on DVD | |
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DavidEye said: bananacologne...how long have you been a Madonna fan? I ask this because ANY longtime fan would know that Madonna ALWAYS expresses her views,whether folks wanna hear it or not.The war is a big issue for her,so she's making a loud anti-war statement on this tour."Express yourself,don't repress yourself",remember?.From what I've read,the show seems to have plenty of lighter moments too.But most fans know that,when they go to a Madonna concert,they're gonna hear her "extreme point of view" on any issue that she wants to address.You want a simple,no-frills show without a message or theme? I suggest you go see Jessica Simpson or Beyonce in concert.
[This message was edited Wed May 26 4:15:55 2004 by DavidEye] U know what? I think I will! Cheers D! Anything's gotta beat watching Madge doing Yoga on stage. 
PS: I think the war's a 'big issue' 4 a lot of people...funnily enough. *Crass ca$h cow edit* [This message was edited Wed May 26 15:02:25 2004 by bananacologne] | |
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Anxiety said: ***During her performance of John Lennon's "Imagine",she will break down in tears in front of pictures of starving children. Sally Struthers did it first and, might I add, she did it better. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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DavidEye said: VoicesCarry said: I'm a Madonna fan and I agree. Sounds like this tour just plain sucks. I mean, maybe she thinks she's there to convert us to the Kaballah, when I just want to hear some fucking pop music. It also appears that about 0 of DavidEye's rumours actually made it into the show. All the reviews say she's mellowed. VC,Madonna is not trying to convert anybody to the Kabbalah.I guess you didn't read USA Today's four-star review of the show... The two-hour career overview arrives among cynical buzz about ploys to shore up sagging album sales with a quick-buck oldies tour featuring a Kabbalah pulpit.Nonsense.Aside from "Papa Don't Preach",rendered as a saucy romp,and a gorgeous version of "Like A Prayer",religious references scattered throughout the non-stop dance party are arty and mildly provocative.She briefly dons a "Kabbalists do it better" T-shirt and wears the mystic sect's Red String around her left wrist,but otherwise avoids sermonizing,except to wholeheartedly fulfill Kaballah's mandate to promote a positive flow of energy Also,those pre-tour "rumors" were not mine,they came from a London tabloid,hardly a reliable source.As for your assertion that you "just want to hear some fucking pop music"....most of the media and fan reviews indicate that this show is indeed more focused on the music.On several numbers,Maddy even sings without any special effects or props distracting from the actual performance.But this is irrelevent in your case,since you've already decided not to go to the show. bananacologne...how long have you been a Madonna fan? I ask this because ANY longtime fan would know that Madonna ALWAYS expresses her views,whether folks wanna hear it or not.The war is a big issue for her,so she's making a loud anti-war statement on this tour."Express yourself,don't repress yourself",remember?.From what I've read,the show seems to have plenty of lighter moments too.But most fans know that,when they go to a Madonna concert,they're gonna hear her "extreme point of view" on any issue that she wants to address.You want a simple,no-frills show without a message or theme? I suggest you go see Jessica Simpson or Beyonce in concert. [This message was edited Wed May 26 4:15:55 2004 by DavidEye] It's called sarcasm. 
And actually, I'd love to go, just don't have the cash for it. So if I had the wheelbarrow full of cash required, I'd have "decided" otherwise. Personally, I think Madonna could find more appropriate places to express her views on the war than this tour. Her views coincide with mine (and probably those of a lot of her fans), but I still want to forget about the war for a few hours when I go to a Madonna concert. Maybe that's me. If she wants to force her views on people who have paid $300 a seat, maybe she could do something reasonable with some of the proceeds, like charitable donations. [This message was edited Wed May 26 15:41:44 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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who knows - maybe this is madge's "One Nite Alone Tour" experience - a chance for her to play to the fans and get her personal rants and agendas out of her system before she stages a proper coup for round 15245 of pop superstardom. i mean, it's not like she has to worry about supporting a smash hit album or anything - maybe she's just pulling out the stops and getting her personal ya-yas out. bully for her. | |
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