Assault on the wallet, more like!

Marrk said:

I totally agree (no offence Davideye). I'm so glad I won't have to sit through this boring spectacle. I have a feeling Madonna doesn't know what to do with herself anymore. She's mid-40's and wants to still be mid-20's. I honestly don't think she has what it takes to keep people truely interested in her anymore. Her voice is so-so and other than these ridiculous shock tactis, what else does she have to offer anymore? She's not a musician and I doubt anyone really wants to see her simulating lesbia sex

I have a feeling Madonna doesn't know what to do with herself anymore. She's mid-40's and wants to still be mid-20's. I honestly don't think she has what it takes to keep people truly interested in her anymore. Her voice is so-so and other than these ridiculous shock tactics, what else does she have to offer anymore? She's not a musician and I doubt anyone really wants to see her simulating lesbian sex

eleven said:

I actually own a lot of her music, I was a big fan in the 80's.It's just she's been mediocre for about ten years , maybe longer.

DavidEye said

"assault on your wallet"

CynthiasSocks said:

Too true!!! I wish the tickets weren't so expensive (of course, its a moot point, since she isn't coming to Houston)

Unless Madonna is parting some lakes or turning water into wine for her fans, her ticket prices prove that she's just trying to milk every penny out of what hardcore fans she has left. I was a big Madonna fan, until I realized that shock tactics are stupid and boring. I see more shocking stuff in commercials and on awards shows than what I just read of Madonna's current tour. Shocking to me is doing something that people least expect. If Madonna made a concert where she was singing nothing but her ballads, wasn't wearing lingerie at any point during the show, and had no sexual themes whatsoever....now that would be shocking to me. From what I just read, it sounds like a typical Madonna show. She's going to sing that crap from AL....who wants to pay $300 bucks for that? Most people didn't even want to pay the $15 for the album. I love all the major icons from the 80's, but I find it odd that Madonna is doing a tour at the same time as Prince. At least Prince has a new album out to do a tour to, AL came out almost two years ago. Oh, and it's a "Hits Tour" too.. Looks like someone is trying to steal someone else's thunder. I wouldn't mind going to Madonna's new tour if 1) the tickets weren't ridiculously priced like they are, 2) she wasn't playing any of that garbage from AL, 3) she was actually doing a show that was different from her previous tour...ya know minus the overplayed and boring shock tactics that she can't seem to let go of, 4) she actually did a tour; I don't consider 6 shows in Madison Square Garden, 2 in Vegas and a couple in between to be a real tour. I guess all the fans that she has left are only in Vegas and NY ...yeah, Okay, and 5) she was actually playing the hits that made her famous. That setlist is disappointing to me. I don't like anything after "Bedtime Stories". I may be the only person alive who hated "Ray of Light"....couldn't stand all that God-awful worbbling that she was doing towards the end, and I wanted to punch her after I heard "Music". I would buy some tickets off of Ebay, but like I said, she won't be making a trip to Louisiana, or Texas, or any other state that's in driving distance to me. Re-invention Tour is right....she thinks she's re-invented herself into an artist that is worthy of $300 tickets. She wasn't worth that much in her hayday. But, to all those who are going, I hope you enjoy the show. It sounds fun....unoriginal....but fun.
[This message was edited Fri May 21 11:05:27 2004 by estelle1981]

WOW, estelle1981 has stuff to say!



It's funny, we all have our own opinions on music and IMO, Ray of Light was a topnotch CD as is American Life. I do agree she's made some goofy choices with a few of her "hits" on this tour, but whatevs, for the most part the tour is made of songs I didn't hear on the Drowned Worlds tour.

I also agree her ticket prices were insane. That's why I got the $90 level. I couldn't justify paying more.

As for the "shock tactics," to me they aren't shocking but they make the SHOW. I see Madonna shows as almost broadway productions. Therefore, I pay to see the crazy sets, costumes, theatrics, etc.

For estelle1981, I feel your pain though. I've severely lost my love for Janet since All For You and the subsequent tour which was simply a re-do of her last show and her last show, etc. I could probably copy and paste your post into a Janet thread and only change a few words, album titles, etc. For me with Madonna, though, her continual evolution soundwise, setwise keeps me interested.

ps- she's also doing 5 shows in Chicago...I do think this is a "real tour"

Marrk said:

But you're a Michael Jackson fanatic,so automatically,you lose all credibility

And anyone who thinks that 'Ray Of Light' was "mediocre" needs to have their head examined.

Unless Madonna is parting some lakes or turning water into wine for her fans, her ticket prices prove that she's just trying to milk every penny out of what hardcore fans she has left. I was a big Madonna fan, until I realized that shock tactics are stupid and boring. I see more shocking stuff in commercials and on awards shows than what I just read of Madonna's current tour. Shocking to me is doing something that people least expect. If Madonna made a concert where she was singing nothing but her ballads, wasn't wearing lingerie at any point during the show, and had no sexual themes whatsoever....now that would be shocking to me. From what I just read, it sounds like a typical Madonna show. She's going to sing that crap from AL....who wants to pay $300 bucks for that? Most people didn't even want to pay the $15 for the album. I love all the major icons from the 80's, but I find it odd that Madonna is doing a tour at the same time as Prince. At least Prince has a new album out to do a tour to, AL came out almost two years ago. Oh, and it's a "Hits Tour" too.. Looks like someone is trying to steal someone else's thunder. I wouldn't mind going to Madonna's new tour if 1) the tickets weren't ridiculously priced like they are, 2) she wasn't playing any of that garbage from AL, 3) she was actually doing a show that was different from her previous tour...ya know minus the overplayed and boring shock tactics that she can't seem to let go of, 4) she actually did a tour; I don't consider 6 shows in Madison Square Garden, 2 in Vegas and a couple in between to be a real tour. I guess all the fans that she has left are only in Vegas and NY ...yeah, Okay, and 5) she was actually playing the hits that made her famous. That setlist is disappointing to me. I don't like anything after "Bedtime Stories". I may be the only person alive who hated "Ray of Light"....couldn't stand all that God-awful worbbling that she was doing towards the end, and I wanted to punch her after I heard "Music". I would buy some tickets off of Ebay, but like I said, she won't be making a trip to Louisiana, or Texas, or any other state that's in driving distance to me. Re-invention Tour is right....she thinks she's re-invented herself into an artist that is worthy of $300 tickets. She wasn't worth that much in her hayday. But, to all those who are going, I hope you enjoy the show. It sounds fun....unoriginal....but fun.

One thing fans must have accepted by now is that not only is madonna extreme, but she likes to portray her music theatrically. No one in pop has used images more strikingly than madonna has, and so you expect to get this at her shows. Its not about cheap publicity, its about creating visuals to complement the music.

First of all,Madonna first mentioned a tour shortly after 'American Life' came out,and long before Prince's whole 'Musicology' CD and tour (go back and look up her spring 2003 interviews).So she is not out to "steal" his thunder.Using your logic,I guess we could accuse Sting of the same thing,since he's another 80s icon who will also be touring this summer.And btw,'American Life' did NOT come out "two years ago".It was released in April 2003,a little over a year ago.For the most part,Maddy always waits a year or so AFTER an album comes out,to launch a tour.

Secondly,why shouldn't Madonna sing stuff from 'American Life'? It's her LATEST album! I'm of the opinion that,an artist should always stand behind their music,regardless of how well it does commercially.Prince's 'Lovesexy' album was a commercial flop in 1988,but he still toured with it.His 1998 album 'New Power Soul' was disappoinitng,but he still played many of those songs on tour.'American Life' is where Madonna is at,emotionally and spiritually.Those fans who can't accept it,well,maybe they should move on.As a longtime fan,I'm interested in hearing these songs played live and seeing Madonna play songs that reflect her life RIGHT NOW .

Thirdly,i can't see how any longtime Madonna fan could have a problem with her "shock tactics".I mean,come on....Madonna is an extreme person with extreme thoughts.That's why we love her so much (lol).You mentioned that you'd like to see her singing ballads,with no sexual themes or shock tactics.If that's what you want,you should go see Celine Dion instead.Madonna is not known for being subtle.as I mentioned above,understatement is not her style.When she goes on tour,she pulls out all the stops,breaking rules,and making folks confront things that they would rather not deal with.


I do agree with you,I wish she were playing more dates in more places.An artist of her staure should really do a 6-month tour,and maybe take a break and then do another leg (like Cher's last tour).That's the only way her millions of fans around the world would get to see her.But she has mentioned that she is doing this tour in the summer because she doesn't tour when her children are in school.So that's why the tour is so brief.But it absurd to suggest that the "all the fans she has left are in Vegas and New York".lol.In fact,many fans in other countries (Australia,Canada,etc) have started on-line petitions to get her play their areas.And here in the States,there are lots of fans in places like Texas who are pissed that she is skipping their state.For Maddy to satisfy all her fans,she would have to stay on the road for a year or so and we all know that's not possible.


You seem to have alot of problems with Madonna and this tour.Remember you can wait and see it on CBS,and see what you missed (lol).

Davideye said:


I don't have to wait to see her on CBS. I have the last VMAs on tape. I can just rewind her opening act with Britney and Christina. It was an interesting and well-done production, except for that over-rehearsed kiss that looked fake as Pamela Anderson's cleavage. She should have put Pink in the performance....Pink would have slobbed Maddy down and made it look more believable to me. The kiss would have shocked me had I not been to the club the night before and seen numerous girl-on-girl action. Just because I'm a fan of any artist doesn't mean that I want to see the same show concept over an over. She did the Queen Elizabeth look waaaay back at the '95 VMAs.....sorry, but it's been done by her before. I liked it then and don't have a problem with it now, but I'm not going to applaude her for costuming and ideas that I've already seen in the past. If Prince's current concert was anything like his previous ones, I'd be saying the same thing and I'm a big Prince fan. If she would do a show in Dallas or Houston, I think that would be nice for her southern fans. Like I said, I would actually pay to see her, because I would rather the 80's icons getting the top tour spots this summer than the 'newbies'. But, I wouldn't pay $300 to see Jesus heal the blind and I don't do nosebleed seats, so that's a negative on the Re-invention tour for me. Don't be under the impression that I love everything that Prince has ever put out....because that's a negative. If I hear more than one song from 'N.E.W.S.', 'The Rainbow Children', 'Crystal Ball', or 'Graffiti Bridge' on this tour, I'm going to throw a rock at him. Yes, I will be putting rocks in my purse before the show, nice pointy ones. I'm already pissed that I have to hear "Little Red Corvette" and "Rasberry Beret", but get no "Do Me, Baby", "Insatiable", or "Adore" for my $75 tickets.....and don't let him start preaching on stage. Ya'll will be reading the headline...."Fan pelts '80s pop singer with rock". It's great that an artist has pride in even their flop albums, but that doesn't mean all of their fans want to hear it. Play what the fans want to hear; they are the ones buying the tickets after all. I only liked 4 songs on "LoveSexy" and "New Power Soul". They weren't that bad, far from his best, but not as horrible as "The Rainbow Children". 'The Rainbow Children' should have been an instrumental album, because Prince preaching to me was like sitting in church for 2 hours, except I was in my house. Disturbing. I never said anything about having a problem with the shock tactics. I just said that they were boring to me....and by me, I mean just estelle and no one else. I don't know why people feel that you have to like everything an artist does to be a fan...that's complete bullshit to me. When Prince changed his name to that symbol, I thought that the dope man had sold him something from a tainted stash....he can't tell me that he wasn't high off of something for those 6 years. When Madonna did that "Like A Prayer" video, I wanted to ask her why she didn't research the double meaning of burning crosses....yeah, she meant down with religion, but I'm an African-American living in the South and that's not what it means here. Micheal Jackson....well, the questions I have for him would require at least 2 weeks, and neither of us has that kind of time to shoot the breeze. I'm no less a fan of these people than the fan that owns all their albums and has been to all their concerts. I look at the pros and cons in everyone and everything...it's just me. I feel that Madonna is a talented lady, but that doesn't mean that she hasn't put out some crappy songs in her day....all artists have.
[This message was edited Mon May 24 10:24:25 2004 by estelle1981]

Madonna's Tour SOLD OUT BEFORE anyone knew what was going to happen in the show. How can one accuse her of using shock to sell tickets when they don't really techinacally exist anymore to sell

ehuffnsd said:


Maybe you should send an e-mail to Ticketmaster.com and tell them to put 'sold out' by the remaining 20+ Madonna tour dates. They put 'sold out' next to the two shows in Vegas, but every other show seems to still have ample tickets left. I guess 'sold out' is defined differently in some people's minds, because I define 'sold out' has having all seats filled. Even Ebay is over-stocked with Madonna tickets and the only one's that I see selling are for $100 or less for floor close to the stage. That's a $200+ loss for Madonna. I passed my vision test, so I know it's not me with the eye problems. Plus, when has Madonna NOT used shock....it's become a trademark in her shows. Madonna without shock value is like Britney without her pre-recordings....it just wouldn't work as well.

ehuffnsd said:


Maybe you should send an e-mail to Ticketmaster.com and tell them to put 'sold out' by the remaining 20+ Madonna tour dates. They put 'sold out' next to the two shows in Vegas, but every other show seems to still have ample tickets left. I guess 'sold out' is defined differently in some people's minds, because I define 'sold out' has having all seats filled. Even Ebay is over-stocked with Madonna tickets and the only one's that I see selling are for $100 or less for floor close to the stage. That's a $200+ loss for Madonna. I passed my vision test, so I know it's not me with the eye problems. Plus, when has Madonna NOT used shock....it's become a trademark in her shows. Madonna without shock value is like Britney without her pre-recordings....it just wouldn't work as well.