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Printablehow out of the billions of people on earth can there be no 2 people with the same weirdness thats ridiculous | |
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dag said: I used to be a fan of Michael's too until I found out he liked little boys. You are blinded by your "love" for him. If Prince were accused of the same thing, and all the facts pointed to his guilt, I SURE AS HELL wouldn't be anywhere defending him either.
how can you say that all the facts point on him? Anyways i think I´m ending with this discussion, because it´s pointless. Plus I think it´s also pointless trying to say what real pedophiles do or how they think. None of us knows unless you´re one of them and also if you were one of them, you won´t find two people thinking and acting the same way on this planet. We can´t generalize. All that I can say is I LOVE him and BELIEVE (let me stress this word) in him. [b]And I PRAY that he´ll get a FAIR trial! End of discussion on my part. 1. You assume there is no easily-accessible information on pedophiles, so how can we know what they might be like or how they might think? You assume no one has ever bothered to research this, and that there are NOT common elments that define pedophilia. You also assumed that generalizations were made on this board, when all anyone did was point out that hey, yeah, it's possible he's a pedophile. 2. If he indeed gets a fair trial, you would be the first one to claim a miscarriage of justice. It would only be fair to you if Michael is acquitted and the kid thrown in jail for 30 years, because you've made up your mind already. [This message was edited Fri May 7 8:17:08 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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probably I´ve made up my mind already...it sees that I am not the only one...
on one hand you´re all saying that there´s something to psychology and on the other when they say that pedophiles have an averyge of 240 victims in their lifetime and MJ only alleged (still not proven) two I think that´s still way below the average number..... whatever...I am done with this topic..... "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: probably I´ve made up my mind already...it sees that I am not the only one...
on one hand you´re all saying that there´s something to psychology and on the other when they say that pedophiles have an averyge of 240 victims in their lifetime and MJ only alleged (still not proven) two I think that´s still way below the average number..... whatever...I am done with this topic..... That statistic contradicts everything I've read. I asked Luv4Oneanotha to tell us where he got it from, but no answer yet. | |
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VoicesCarry said: dag said: probably I´ve made up my mind already...it sees that I am not the only one...
on one hand you´re all saying that there´s something to psychology and on the other when they say that pedophiles have an averyge of 240 victims in their lifetime and MJ only alleged (still not proven) two I think that´s still way below the average number..... whatever...I am done with this topic..... That statistic contradicts everything I've read. I asked Luv4Oneanotha to tell us where he got it from, but no answer yet. Oh. My. God. I never noticed that before. That's the most barmy statistic i've ever heard.  | |
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TheFrog said: VoicesCarry said: That statistic contradicts everything I've read. I asked Luv4Oneanotha to tell us where he got it from, but no answer yet. Oh. My. God. I never noticed that before. That's the most barmy statistic i've ever heard. I'll quote exactly what he said: the standard pedophile has 240 victims in a 15 mile radius within a 13 year period I've been doing esearch for a couple of weeks now did you know that 75% of molestation cases usually have a Custody Battle Behind it Did you know that 60% of all molestation crimes are deemed False The statistics on molestation cases also don't correlate with anything I've ever seen. More often than not, it's the adults NOT believing the kids that's the big problem. They are "deemed false" (not by a jury, that's for sure) or ignored entirely. Most of the time they don't even make it to the cops. The family keeps it quiet. That's why quite a few peds go free or get light sentences on the first charge. It takes more than one victim to really send them away. Either way, the "average" peds must be working pretty hard to molest 240 children in 13 years without getting caught. In a 15-mile radius (!). The period of 13 years makes no sense, statistically. Why choose a period of 13 years? Would it not make more sense to compile lifetime data? Or average it over a nice round number, like a decade (since that process makes it easier to analyze statistically). Not saying Luv4OneAnotha lied, but it's very suspicious. [This message was edited Fri May 7 12:34:47 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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Well, i'm always open to new research and i'd be fascinated to know where it came from. But that figure is exponentially (and i mean exponentially) higher than my wildest nightmares. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a missing decimal point there. | |
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TheFrog said: Well, i'm always open to new research and i'd be fascinated to know where it came from. But that figure is exponentially (and i mean exponentially) higher than my wildest nightmares. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a missing decimal point there.
Yeah, even the worst pedophiles I've read about don't get beyond about 20 or 30 victims (unless you count those Catholic priests, who are aided and abetted by the system in which they work). | |
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dag said: I can't STAND when people say Prince is weird like MJ. Yes they are both weird, but in different ways.
There are no two people on this earth weird in the same way, which means they are both - weird! Okay, you truncated my post, my point was that MJ is creepy weird, but Prince is a whole different weird altogether. Yes, two people can be the same sort of weird, it matters what my range of definition for weird is. There are many people who are creepy weird in an MJ way. BTW, so you don't misconstrue this post too. I'm not saying MJ did molest those kids by saying he is creepy weird; however, he did dangle a baby off a balcony. | |
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VoicesCarry said: TheFrog said: Well, i'm always open to new research and i'd be fascinated to know where it came from. But that figure is exponentially (and i mean exponentially) higher than my wildest nightmares. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a missing decimal point there.
Yeah, even the worst pedophiles I've read about don't get beyond about 20 or 30 victims (unless you count those Catholic priests, who are aided and abetted by the system in which they work). Mmm. I have read of studies which have tried to suggest a higher average of around 50 (i think one or two even went over 100) per gay offender, and that's the point. The studies were flying in the face of accepted knowledge by trying to suggest paedophilia was in some way connected with homosexuality (  ). When in fact most studies have shown the majority of offences are committed against members of the opposite sex.
Disbeliefedit. [This message was edited Fri May 7 12:47:06 2004 by TheFrog] | |
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TheFrog said: VoicesCarry said: Yeah, even the worst pedophiles I've read about don't get beyond about 20 or 30 victims (unless you count those Catholic priests, who are aided and abetted by the system in which they work). Mmm. I have read of studies which have tried to suggest a higher average of around 50 (i think one or two even went over 100) per gay offender, and that's the point. The studies were flying in the face of accepted knowledge by trying to suggest paedophilia was in some way connected with homosexuality ( ). When in fact most studies have shown the majority of offences are committed against members of the opposite sex.
Disbeliefedit. [This message was edited Fri May 7 12:47:06 2004 by TheFrog] Definitely. I meant the worst case studies I've seen, though. Gross totals of individuals. It is important to note that: Police relied too heavily on their prior experience with pedophiles, assuming that cases were not linked because the victims were of different sexes and ages. Pedophiles that prey on prepubescent children usually have no gender preference, while those preying on older children focus on one gender or the other, not both. While patterns of criminal behavior, whether based upon the experience of the police or expert opinions from criminal profilers, are very useful in understanding the criminal mind and leading police to the right suspect, police departments need to “think outside the box.” Because criminals do not feel confined to behave according to what other criminals have done in the past and what “experts” have profiled, police also must not constrain their investigations to these artificial limitations. (this paragraph is from the crimelibrary.com piece on Clifford Olson, Canada's worse pedophile, who raped and murdered about 16 children in the Vancouver area) Many people expect Michael (if he is a pedophile) to follow a set pattern of stereotypical "pedophile" behaviour. That just ain't gonna happen. [This message was edited Fri May 7 12:52:53 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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riverdean7 said: well it is for me id put money on anyone here molesting a kid more then i would put on michael hey i dot wanna start a huge debate on this point so please noone get in a knot over it but im responding to gemini
[This message was edited Fri May 7 7:52:29 2004 by riverdean7] I'd say you have terrible judgment.  | |
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fine but i stand by my statemet | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Imagine what his dick looks like..hehe
 Oh my, oh my. | |
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this thread is hilarious lol
i've given up with this discussion it gets nowhere if i find something interesting to post i will u can find me in the artist forum PEACEEEEE | |
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He put himself where he is, he's never had a relationship with a woman, not a REAL one anyway.
What? So you're saying Lisa Marie Presley isn't a real woman? | |
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sawah said: He put himself where he is, he's never had a relationship with a woman, not a REAL one anyway.
What? So you're saying Lisa Marie Presley isn't a real woman? No, he's saying that the relationship was a mock-up. You know, like Rock Hudson's marriage. | |
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VoicesCarry said: sawah said: What? So you're saying Lisa Marie Presley isn't a real woman? No, he's saying that the relationship was a mock-up. You know, like Rock Hudson's marriage. Lisa Marie said it was real, then again i really don't take her seriously that must of been a strange relationship...  | |
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We don't know fo' real if it was a mock up though.
How do we know what they felt for each other? | |
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Thumparello said: If he's innocent he'll get off. nuff said!
MJ is an icon but he is weird. Yes, because the legal system is perfect and works every time. |
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How do we know what they felt for each other?
well they liked each enough to bang each other | |
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How do we know what they felt for each other?
well they liked each other enough to bang each other | |
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Screenshot from 'Michael Jackson's Moonwalker' game (1990 Sega Megadrive):
 Oh Michael, how I once believed in u! | |
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I think they really did love each other. Mike and Lisa have never looked happier.
I think that this picture proves it. It was taken 2 years after the divorce. Would two people who didn´t love each other act this way after a divorce? I don´t think so  "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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Here are some more taken that day. If you´ll ever see a picture of Lisa Marie where she would look happier, please post it. I have never seen one.
 "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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I have to admit i did see him smiling alot during this time period
she was always at the set when he was shooting a music video lots of kisses and smiles i think the media just doesn't him to seem normal too bad she's justa bytch... | |
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Lisa seems to be bitchy towards him nowadays, but I feel that´s because she still loves him and doesn´t have him. I think it´s just pain and bitterness speaking out of her sometimes nowadays, but if you really look at the pictures of them together, they were always smiling and happy. If you look at Lisas pictures before and nowadays, she doesn´t look this way. I even read in on book that Joe Esposito - one of Elvis´ close friends who has known Lisa since she was born, said: Now she has this smile on her face. Before, she never ever smiled. Never, ever!"
True look. Lisa before marriage to MJ 
nowadays 
another picture after the divorce 
And about her marriage to Cage she said it was a big mistake. She never said that about Michael though. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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sorry guys, but I think you got that that quote from about Lisa was about the time she was married to Michael. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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The greatest article ever written about those allegation cases
Enjoy!! I´ve posted it on both MJ topics over here, cause I just think it´s that great! I've often criticized the media for lacking objectivity when dealing with the allegations against Michael Jackson. It suddenly occurred to me that I was being completely hypocritical. How unfair of me to assume that he is innocent just because the father of his first accuser admittedly plied his son with a memory altering drug and was caught on tape discussing a plan to destroy Michael Jackson. I now see the error of my ways and have decided to entertain the notion that Michael Jackson might be guilty. I've taken on the role of the accused and looked at this from the perspective of a guilty man. Here's what I came up with: Hi, I'm Michael Jackson, the most selective pedophile in the world. While most child molesters have hundreds of victims, I have a one boy every ten year average. The thing is, I'm only attracted to kids who have greedy, lawsuit-happy parents. Remember back in 1993? Let me refresh your memory. Evan Chandler, the father of my first victim, demanded $20 million in return for his silence. I had every intention of paying him off eventually but I decided to let him turn me in first. I figured it would be fun to be publicly humiliated, strip searched, investigated by the police and all that other great stuff that comes along with being accused of sexual abuse. There was that little problem of going to jail but luckily for me, I came up with this brilliant plan to pay the boy not to testify (gee, what a concept! I wish I'd thought of this when Evan Chandler first tried to blackmail me). Even though it would have completely screwed up my witness tampering plan, I told my lawyer to file a motion asking for the criminal trial to go before the civil trial. This would have made it impossible for me to pay the boy not to testify (although I'm not sure you can legally do that anyway) but we fought tooth and nail to have the order of the trials reversed. Wrap your head around that one! To tell you the truth, it doesn't make much sense to me either (don't ask me how I've managed to survive in the music industry for over 35 years because I'm apparently a dumbass) but it doesn't matter because the judge denied my request. Thank God. What was I thinking? Anyway, once Evan Chandler got his paycheck, he no longer felt it was necessary to get justice for his poor molested son. Talk about good luck, huh? The first boy I decided to molest just happened to have a father who was willing to prostitute his kid. That Evan Chandler is a great guy. For the next ten years I went cold turkey. That all changed after a little documentary called "Living with Michael Jackson" aired. I knew the kid who was shown on the documentary for almost two years and never touched him until after I paraded him around on national television and talked about our innocent, non-sexual sleepovers. Then everybody started saying that something sexual was going on and I thought, "Hey that's not a bad idea. But @#%$, he'll probably turn me in if I molest him so lemme hire a lawyer first." Then I called Mark Geragos and asked him to defend me in a crime that I hadn't committed yet. Once I had the right legal representation, everything was set. The family and I were still on friendly terms at this point but I kidnapped them all and stole their furniture just in case they no longer trusted me with my intended victim. Hey, you gotta cover all your bases right? But I wasn't that bad to them, I mean I let the mother phone a friend and everything. How many other child molesting kidnappers extend such priviliges to their victims? I didn't even monitor what she said, in fact, from what I hear she actually told her friend- let's call him Jamie Masada- that I was holding her against her will. Hey, don't look at me. It's not my fault that the idiot didn't bother contacting the police. Anyway, things were going according to plan until I found out the Department of Children and Family Services was going to launch an investigation. Luckily, my entire staff knew about what was going on and they accompanied the kid to his interview and intimidated him into saying nothing happened. For some reason, the DCFS didn't pick up on the fact that the family was being held hostage. Strange huh? Oh well, in the words of my man Tom Sneddon, "it's LA, what do you expect?" It was a close call but I still continued to molest the kid even after the DCFS investigated. Just in case though, I got Geragos to force the whole family into signing more documents that say I didn't do anything wrong. So basically, my entire staff, Mark Geragos, the DCFS and all of my friends and family members who visited the ranch during that time period are also to blame. This was a mass conspiracy that was designed just so I could molest this poor boy and steal his mother's furniture. See, I'm not biased at all... "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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1/ normal adults dont sleep with children . period
2/Joe Esposito - one of Elvis´ close friends who has known Lisa since she was born, said: Now she has this smile on her face. Before, she never ever smiled. Never, ever!" ridiculous , someone who never smiles needs psychological assistance 3/ http://www.chooseyourdest...es/lm8.jpg 
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