riverdean7 said:

Speaking of wearing a paper bag,perhaps you should recommend that to your skin-bleached idol?

DavidEye give me addrress ok i'll send u a dozen paper bags for free
and feel free to distribute them amongst your family members to

riverdean7 said:

This is uncalled for. The man is only expressing an opinion for God's sake.

WildStyle said:

Look, i hate to wade in here, because i don't see the point in discussing innocence or guilt when we know, let's be honest, fuck all.

But you should not expect that. There's absolutely no reason why a paedophile would try and molest more than two out of thousands - you don't understand paedophilia if you think that they try it on at every opportunity. Especially if the paedophile was intelligent, to refer to your second point.

TheFrog said:

Exactly. Some pedophiles are "dormant" for huge blocks of time.

riverdean7 said:

Whoops, guess Davideye's opinion doesn't exactly fit with your worldview, does it? Had to retort with a lame insult. Is that how you operate in real life? You'd be at home with my 2-year-old nephew.

TheFrog said:

have you ever heard of any other case of a pedophile having access to that many children and only molesting 2?

WildStyle said:

Yup, quite a few. If children were his outlet, it would make sense that he'd like them around. But it doesn't mean he was molesting them all. It's not uncommon for pedophiles to work in an environment with many children, but molest only a select few, as any pedophile who's ever worked in a school will explain.
[This message was edited Fri May 7 4:14:31 2004 by VoicesCarry]

VoicesCarry said:

apparently,many of MJ's fans are as out-of-touch with reality as HE is!

Well, I can see that he does realy need a trial now. Just so all the evidence from both sides can get out in to the public and either change there perception of him in one way or the other, or not change it at all.

I just hope he can get an unbiased jury.

This is just getting boring now.

WildStyle said:

Agreed.

Cloudbuster said:

You and Luv4Oneanotha post that on every MJ thread.

WildStyle said:

That's about as likely as the dead rising.

VoicesCarry said:

Well, wouldn't you agree?

Cloudbuster said:

Well, since LaToya woke up this morning, it could happen .

WildStyle said:

Okay look, if you really want to discuss this, we can. But I think you're onto a loser here, and I guarantee that argument won't wash in court either.

In answer to your question if you're suggesting thousands, then no. But the question was based on several false premises. And in any case, an answer "no" to the question proves less than nothing. First, paedophilia is almost never a case of the paedophile leaping on a child at the first opportunity. It often involves lengthy grooming periods and time alone with the child. So, as you (I think) allude to, you're more likely to be looking at the close friends who regularly slept over etc. as being the real opportunity. That brings the "thousands" down wildly to a much more realistic figure. Furthermore, paedophiles are attracted to different people - not all children. I find certain women attractive, and others not. My preferences will be different from others. Revolting as it is, paedophiles find certain children attractive, and others not. They are almost never people who would leap on any child if they had the opportunity. That would narrow it down further.

Plus Michael Jackson is an extremely special case, because of his public notoriety. Enormous troupes of staff and constant barraging from the papparazi would, I suspect, make it less likely that, if he wanted to, he would feel comfortable with trying it on. No less because of the previous case. Given the above, I guarantee that, yes, there are plenty of paedophiles who have actually had opportunities (whether external or internal) with as many, if not more children. Go ask the catholic church.

Now I want to make it clear that I have absolutely no idea whether or not Michael Jackson is guilty, and unless and until he's found guilty, he's innocent as far as i'm concerned. I truly, truly hope he is innocent. But arguments like "look how many kids go through his house unharmed" won't help him, i'm afraid.

VoicesCarry said:

Ouch!

Cloudbuster said:

There's got to be 12 people SOMWHERE with absoloutly no bias for or against Michael Jackson. Right?

TheFrog said:

Ok, I see what you are saying now.

I understand people who don't believe Mj is innocent...but please don't be sure he's guilty. There is no proof except the boys word at the moment...all the other things are just rumours. You really can't tell if they're true or not. But think about this: if you were a former MJ's employee, and someone offered you for example 10000$ for a story, no matter if it's true or not as long as it's really interesting, what would you do?

I'm definitely not believing MJ's guilty until they bring some evidence...And with evidence I don't mean that the boy and his brother tell the judge MJ did it...that's not an evidence, that's a

voicescarry no i wouldnt cause im not a animal person and i never have been

riverdean7 said:

Oh no! Someone needs to stop this one now!

Put the computer down and stop making yourself sound like a prat.

if the boy testifies i wonder what script the mother will give him to read to bolster there case

riverdean7 said:

Not worth responding to edit.
[This message was edited Fri May 7 5:48:52 2004 by VoicesCarry]

riverdean7 said:

Y'know? What if the boy actually WAS molested?

Why is it so hard to believe?

well it is for me id put money on anyone here molesting a kid more then i would put on michael hey i dot wanna start a huge debate on this point so please noone get in a knot over it but im responding to gemini
[This message was edited Fri May 7 7:52:29 2004 by riverdean7]

how can you say that all the facts point on him?
Anyways i think I´m ending with this discussion, because it´s pointless.
Plus I think it´s also pointless trying to say what real pedophiles do or how they think. None of us knows unless you´re one of them and also if you were one of them, you won´t find two people thinking and acting the same way on this planet. We can´t generalize.

All that I can say is I LOVE him and BELIEVE (let me stress this word) in him. And I PRAY that he´ll get a FAIR trial!
End of discussion on my part.

There are no two people on this earth weird in the same way, which means they are both - weird!

dag said:

And all the sociology teachers around the world resign. No point.