...first let me say that I am not a die-hard Prince fan. I don´t know much about him as a person, but I DOOOOO love his music. I´ve been a fan for only about 5 years or so and through his music I also found my way to him as a person (because before I thought he was a freak) but I do love him today even as a person. Why I am saying this? After coming here once, I was suprised how closely you watch the MJ case and I wanted to THANK everyone who´s posting those articles, because I am also a HUGE MJ fan and you can be sure that this is a tough time for all who love him. Imagine how you´d feel if Prince was facing 50 years in prison for something you BELIEVED (let me stress this word) he was completely innocent of. I uderstand that it might be annoying for some of you, but if you don´t want to read about him than you don´t have click on those messages. See, it is important for an MJ fan NOT to PROVE anyone that he´s a god but to make sure that people know also the other side of the story which is not being presented by the media before they condemn him for something. I was surprised that a lot of you actually support him and I just wanted to THANK YOU FOR IT!!
I must say that I love this board though. It´s interesting for me to read everything over here because on the MJ boards people are so much into this whole case and they (or we i should say) get too emotional and it is interesting for me to read an objective and intelligent views from other people. So THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN!!!

And I apologize that my first post on a PRINCE board was dedicated to MJ!!!

Welcome. Don't have to apologize though. This is the "Music: Non-Prince" forum, after all (though I still think there are way too many MJ threads, it doesn't hurt anyone).
[This message was edited Wed May 5 4:48:42 2004 by VoicesCarry]

thank you.

I just wanted to ask you, guys, one thing. Is it true that Prince has said in a recent interview that MJ was a genius? I am just curious, cause I haven´t seen it and I don´t know if it´s a rumour or not, but you know...since all the rumours that those two actually hate each other.....I´ve never heard MJ saying anything negative about him though. Actually he´s never said aynthing bad about anyone...but you know...I´m just curious.

Likewise. No need to apologise. I find all this stuff quite interesting most of the time. It's nice to see MJ fans who make sense nowadays. I know exactly how you feel - I grew up on MJ's music. What has happened has been heartbreaking to watch. The media circus surrounding this has been appalling but I really don't feel that there is any defence for the decisions that Michael has taken regarding his behaviour regarding children. His own included. That's just my opinion.

dag said:

Apparently so. I don't think P wanted to get involved in the whole mess surrounding MJ at the moment. Nobody would. There's no great friendship between the two as far as I know. I think Prince fielded a very difficult interview question very well.

dag said:

"You Are Not Alone" welcome to the board
[This message was edited Wed May 5 5:08:29 2004 by LightOfArt]

"but I really don't feel that there is any defence for the decisions that Michael has taken regarding his behaviour regarding children. His own included."

I am not sure what you mean by this, probably that people won´t understand why he´s hanging around with kids and that he should be smart enough not to promote it, do I get it right?
Yeah, maybe...But on the other hand I don´t think it´s THAT hard to understand ONLY IF people wanted. I think that people just WANT him to be freak. It´s easer to hate and judge someone than to love and try to understand.

And on the other hand I appreciate MJ´s courage just to be himself no matter what, because I think that that´s not what a lot of people are capabale of.

Have you read his book Dancing the dream or his Oxford speech. I LOVE it! And to be honest I AGREE with him when it comes to children...

And THANK YOU GUYS FOR being so nice to me.....)

dag said:

Dancing the Dream is a poem book...right? Ive read Oxford Speech it was cool.
If anybody is interested to read there it is:
http://www.allmichaeljack...uni01.html

dag said:

I really do want to believe that MJ's relationships with these children are entirely innocent, of course. What I object to is the fact that he sleeps with boys (it doesn't matter if it is not in the same bed as he claims) and that his relationships with them are so intimate. I understand his "Peter Pan" complex but Peter Pan is fiction. This is real life and I don't care how much money you have or how much you "love kids" this behaviour is inappropriate and is part of the reason why he is in this mess.

As regards his own children, I don't believe they are his. I believe that he loves them very much and treats them as his own but they are quite obviously not his own. Prince Michael has bright, white blonde hair and the two eldest are clearly caucasian. I think that Michael knew he would have problems adopting and instead chose another route of acquiring them. Again, I think he has opened himself up wide to criticism here.

adoreme said:

But Mj is different and thinks so different! Personally if there is nothing sexual, I think theres nothing wrong with sleeping with a kid...People think sex when u say "bed" or "sleep"

I dont know what to think about his children..Maybe because MJ is white his genes passed them too...I really cant guess

LightOfArt said:

But Michael Jackson is a BLACK MAN!

adoreme said:

Ofcourse! But Im talking about the thing which made him white! Maybe that thing affects his genes too so that"d explain why his children are white...His genes passed the kids and stuff...But then again I cant think of anything

LightOfArt said:

Yeah his kids were born completely white... with white, blonde hair and caucasian features...

Damn.

But I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could find an article on the internet arguing beyond all logic that this is reason.
[This message was edited Wed May 5 5:50:03 2004 by adoreme]

I don´t know. I wouldn´t call his behaviour inappropriate, it might be not normal, but MJ is not normal, he has never had a chance to be normal and as long as he´s not hurting anyone (and I believe he´s not) people should leave him alone.
I think there are a lot of types of behaviour that I find inappropriate, but since they are "more Common", they rare considered to be "normal". When I watch TV sometimes, I am just in awe at what is considered to be "cool" instead of sick. Look at Jackass on MTV for example or Osbournes. I mean I know it´s TV, but still I am amazed at how popular it is and that there are people who actually watch it. Nobody calls those people weirdos or acting inappropriate, instead people watch it. MJ is the only one (or the only one that it is known about) acting this way, that´s why people call it inappropriate. His behaviour may not be normal, but he surely doesn´t deserve to be treated the way he is. Even if we forget about this case right now, but generally. Nobody is more humiliated in the press than he is.

dag said:

Good point. I think that MJ is often unfairly pointed out more than others because of the way he looks.

One of my big bugbears is that fans tend to hide him behind his "lost childhood" though. Plenty of people have had far more traumatic lives than him and have not felt the need to hold onto their childhood in such a damaging way.

I had nothing against his previous examples of eccentric behaviour, the menagerie, the Neverland ranch, the plastic surgery, the oxygen masks - that's all fine. You're right, it doesn't hurt anyone other than himself. The point is that this sort of behaviour could have hurt someone and that is why it is being investigated.

LightOfArt said:

Lamest MJ Justification. EVER.

And as for his kids. I believe they are his. Prince resembles his mother a lot and I think he´s got MJ´s eyes. Why he´s got white hair I don´t know but I don´t want to make any opinion about it unless I hear an explanation from MJ. You know before he said he had vitiligo, EVERYBODY also believed that he bleached his skin . So I am sure there is an explanation and I will wait for this explanation before I will be able to decide if he´s lying or not.. I saw a picture of Paris in a car and there she resembled MJ a lot as well. And as for Blanket. Noone has ever seen him, so we don´t know what he looks like.
But if you take for example Mariah Carey. Her father is also black and she´s white. She´s no more "black" then MJ´s kids are.

yeah, nobody sticks to their childhoods than MJ does, but we just cannot blame him for that cause it´s not just that it´s his fame and everything. Others may have had a hard life as well, but they at least didn´t have that fame...you know what let me post here an article, that I completely agree with and that will tell you what I want to say better than I could ever have said it.

By Molly Meldrum
Is Michael Jackson weird??

Michael Jackson is strange because he has never known a normal life The world´s greatest entertainer has been a superstar from early childhood...and super stardom is a hell of a thing to handle.

Nobody has been up there, at the top, as long as him and most of those that get there, even briefly, fall apart. Kurt Cobain held a shotgun to his head in his living room after just a couple of records. Oasis couldn´t handle just two years of fame. Boy George ran off the rails quickly, aided by drugs and self-loathing, and it wasn´t long before Gun´s n Roses disappeared...you could list them all night. Elvis, Marilyn, Jim Morrison.

The superstars that are right up there today, and are still sufficiently controversial to fill hours of air-time and hundred's of covers, are Prince, Madonna and Michael Jackson.
Prince and Madonna have probably been going for 14 years and are the same age as Michael. But Michael Jackson has been going twice that long as a superstar.

In fact Prince and Madonna bought J5 records when they were teenagers. They had a childhood and early teenage years, which, even if they were painful and deprived, were at least private...Michael never had any of that.

Nobody has been around as long as Michael, except maybe a select crew that which includes Elton, Bowie, McCartney, and Jagger. Again all of them managed to get to their teens at least before the world knew their names.

Michael basically is a unique performer in the world because he´s had his name in lights longer than most. That is why he is so different.

When you or I were playing soldiers and nurses, he was performing. When you or I were trying to ride our first bike, he was performing. When you or I were being bundled off to schools for the first time, he was performing. And performers live in a very, very different world.

From what we hear he had an abusive father who forced him to stay in and rehearse, rehearse, rehearse, record, record, record, while other kids were out playing with their friends.
His father is said to have pushed him on stage even though he was vomiting from nerves at having to sing in front 50,000 people. We got our attack of nerves in front of 100 people in the school play.

His life has been unique. There have been a handful of child performers who have managed to take their careers into adulthood. Precious few have managed to live up to their early promise, fewer still have stayed at the forefront, only one has stayed at the very top, and that is Michael. OF course you are different if you´ve spent your whole life on the pedestal.

Nobody will ever know what it is like to be Michael Jackson and that is why he has clung to people like Diana Ross and Elizabeth Taylor - people like the company of their peers and they too, were young stars. He can find a common ground with them, he can find comfort with them.

Super-stardom for Michael Jackson is ordinary life. He doesn´t know anything else. What is weird to you is normal to Michael. Imagine never being able to walk out on to the street to buy a newspaper without a mob of people following you, or worse.

No wonder he builds his own ranch in the desert guarded by high fences. It´s called privacy, something we take for granted.

Basically all my interviews with Michael have been spaced 10 years apart. I did one in NY in 1977 and then 10 years later for 60 minutes. At the 1987 interview we submitted questions and everything was set to go - but in the dying seconds before the interview his manager Frank announced he wanted to sit in. So we had to run around and change the lights, then Frank wanted his stool higher because he´s short. Eventually we started the questions and I asked him about plastic surgery and Michael was about to answer when Frank said "I´Ll answer that" and said he´s hardly had any, and then he stopped and said he´d had none at all!

For Jackson, it has been said that the only family he has known has been his professional family. His managers, his guards, his sound people, his recording crews, his backing singers. For Michael, the stage and the street are one and the same thing. Look at the way he dresses. It´s basically the same gear on and off stage. The on-stage stuff is just a bit more bright. More silver and sparkly, but the same.
He lives one life, on and off stage, so that might appear strange to some people. But it´s the only life he has ever known.

Early yesterday morning, after Michael´s brilliant Sydney Concert and his wedding in a hotel room, an American film crew camped outside the hotel shot some video of my mate and publicist Di Rolle in a car, and then immediately sent it back to America.

Now the Americans think Di is married to Michael Jackson.
How would you feel if every time someone was seen in your company, or even outside your house or hotel room, they were immediately labeled your wife or husband.

Michael might appear to be strange, but I bet the world looks pretty strange to Michael as well.


**And let me add one of my favourite quotes about MJ. It was said by one journalist on CNN. He said: "When you see Michael Jackson perform, you just think this is an ASTONISHING talent. He is just utterly magic on stage. And this man has had this astonishing talent all his life and we want him to be floored (hope I spelled that right) as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."

VoicesCarry said:

youre so....

LightOfArt said:

I'm sorry, but it is?

Black people with vitiligo do not have their children BORN WHITE. With blonde hair no less.
[This message was edited Wed May 5 6:49:07 2004 by VoicesCarry]

[img]http://www.neverland-valley.com/neverland-valley/gallery/family-debbie/pix/family-debbie_025.jpg

Prince wasn´t bron with white hair as you can see.
I was also born with black hair and at the age of 4, my hair was COMPLETELY white.

Damn how do you post pictures over here?
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YES FINALLY )

VoicesCarry said:

lol...right...they don't.....I don't believe those are his children as well. I think the whole thing is crazy. Michael Jackson has issues and probably needs a good 3-5 years worth of hardcore therapy. Stop giving excuses for bad behavior people!!!

Michael needs to just give to charities and stop trying to be "hands on" with these children. He need to be concerned about the 3 kids he's claiming that are his. Their childhood will be as damaging as he claims his was if he doesn't turn around now.

Mj is concerned for his three kids.

And sorry, but I don´t see Michael´s behavior as "bad".

dag said:

Shamone

dag said:

VoicesCarry said:

Sorry.... ahem

Rhondab said:

Well, at the very least we can realistically describe it as "incredibly stupid" (or "defined by a childlike naivete", as MJ fanatics prefer to say).
[This message was edited Wed May 5 7:36:30 2004 by VoicesCarry]

adoreme...are you with me on this or voicescarry..?