I know people love to hate this woman but I feel really awful over what's happening with her. Anx is right, underneath this mess is a kick ass person. I love her, always have. I hope she can get it together, especially for that little girl. It's sad that the industry is fucking with her so hard. It's sad that it's legal for them to do so. Who knows the true extent of how she's being ripped off, but I have no doubt that they are doing just that....

She needs to check herself into detox and clean her ass up.. She is talented.. and she is throwing it all away right down the drain. It makes me sick when people work and get a break in life by living the "good" life and throw it all away with drugs or get so messed up, by the time you detox its all gone.

Slave2daGroove said:

You should post these pearls of wisdom on her website, then. She posts to her message boards, you know - I bet she'd really learn a lot from what you have to say, I'm sure she's never heard it before. You'd be a hit, I guarantee.

Slave2daGroove said:

I agree 100% with you. This woman is a bitch. Why? Because she has basically abandoned her kid, which is the worst thing a mother can do. That makes her lower than low to me, and I don't feel I owe any compassion to Courtney. I hope someone RESPONSIBLE ends up raising this kid (maybe the grandparents), because Frances is the one that deserves her chance at a good life.

If and when Ms. Love checks herself into rehab and cleans herself up, I will start to respect her.
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I hope she gets her shit 2gether, I really do.

Underneath it all there's something much better than this trainwreck[quote]


bingo

This broad is a disgrace to all women. Some people love her, but I can't see it at all. Someone above said she was a "kick ass" woman. I don't have a clue what that means. She's got a foul mouth, she screams and yells when she sings, she's a terrible mother and a drug addict. What Kurt ever saw in her is far beyond me??? Perhaps she gave good - She needs rehab desperately and her daughter needs to be as far away from her as possible until she gets herself cleaned up. Perhaps a stint in jail might help her too, but I'm sure some of her fans will thinks she even cooler if she spends time in jail . She needs some serious help and I'm sick to death of her ridiculous antics. She's a loser through and through.

kisscamille said:

She's an addict, not a loser.Check the difference between the two.What Kurt saw in her?Lol, she wasnt like this when they met.He got her fucked up on that shit and decided to blow his head off.More like what did she see in him.Left her with alot of shit to pick up.....

VoicesCarry said:

She has a DISEASE! A drug addiction is a disease! It's no excuse for what she is doing but that doesn't make her a BITCH. She just needs help! Heaven forbid she ends up the way Kurt did. Poor Frances BEan.

Anxiety said:

Likewise my friend, maybe there she would appreciate your ass kissing more than I do here.

purplegypsy said:

Drug addiction is a physiological response caused by a stupid choice to put needles full of heroin in your arm. Now we've forsaken all responsiblity, even for our addictions? A "disease" implies that it's not her fault in the least; it is doublespeak for what used to be called a "condition". In fact, we don't even like to use the word "addiction" anymore. Now she merely has a "dependency" (notice how that word also connotes no responsibility). Any more PC doublespeak we should know before we enter the realm of Courtney?

And I didn't say she was a bitch because she became a drug addict. She's a bitch because she abandoned her kid. I have nothing against drug addicts, as long as they don't go about ruining their kids' lives. She could shoot up 6 ways from Sunday for all I care - if she didn't have a kid. Let her ruin her own life, if she chooses.
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kisscamille said:

Let's not conveniently forget that Cobain was an outright addict himself, so don't excuse him at the expense of Courtney's phuckups. Birds of a feather and all that. He happened to blow himself away before he could potentially spiral into public exhibitions. Yeah, I think her behavior is pathetic too, but nobody sets out to be an addict. Anyone who's tried any drug just once can potentially become an addict, although I know some of us are way above that type of descent - it could NEVER happen to us, we can control that. There but for the grace of God go I...and everyone else. Quite frankly, I found myself more repulsed by her "alleged" drug usage while she was pregnant. The good thing about this is that she doesn't have custody of her child. The bad thing about this is that she's not a sober parent with custody of her child.

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VoicesCarry said:

You dont even no what the hell your talking about.

Slave2daGroove said:

crude edit
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crazyhorse said:

I couldn't agree more! What , if anything can a loved one or family member do to stop this downward spiral? Short of locking her down in an asylum and having her detox cold turkey, She is one bad spike from O.D'ing and really traumatizing her child. Yes, Courtney is suffering through some shyt, but it's 100x worse for Frances!

Mynameisspmarc said:

Agreed. One of my uncles was addicted to painkillers (and, eventually, heroin), but there was nothing my family could do, save for hope for the best. Luckily, it turned out OK, but I'm afraid that's not the case for many addicts and their families.
[This message was edited Wed May 5 17:42:35 2004 by VoicesCarry]

Slave2daGroove said:

Ass kissing? My lips are clean. Meanwhile, you kiss your mama with THOSE trash talkin' lips?

Somebody Needs to Help her Before she ends up like KURT. I Adore her. What Happened she was all Welland doing Movies... She looked Beautiful and All. Why This? She's Really Cool. I hope she gets Better.

Anxiety said:

LMAOOOOO

crazyhorse said:

"She's going to have to find her bottom first"



If she doesn't kill herself first!



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DavidEye said:

Theres a damn good chance she might just do that.Kurt really left her with alot of bullshit to deal with.I cant imagine what she's had to deal with.You ever read his suicide letter? Its a hell of a thing losing someone you love all of a sudden.But having it be there choice would be devastating.
[This message was edited Thu May 6 5:08:38 2004 by crazyhorse]

crazyhorse said:

No,I never read it.But aren't there some conspiracy theories about how he really died?

DavidEye said:

sorry bout that accidently clicked post.


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DavidEye said:

There are. Apparently the suggested film that talks about that is a documentary- called "Kurt & Courtney" , I think.

As for all the shit kurt left her to deal with, I'm not really one to put her in the catagory of grieving widow victim; my best friend was an assistant on the styling team for the Versace fashion campaign when they featured Love and she hated every moment of being around her (and my friend's a really mellow, non-snobby chick); she found Love to be intelligent (which she respected), but alternately crude, vulgar, and in DIRE need of attention 24/7. My friend had experiences with Love that definitely led her to believe that she RELISHES every moment of being "The Wife" of the late Cobain, as apparently she'll throw it in your face every 5 minutes, particularly when she's having a "weak" diva moment. Add that to the fact that she would alternately preach about not wanting to be shoved into the grieving widow box and thus would try to mess around with any good looking guy on the set, I don't know, but I always had the feeling that Courtney was able to "move on" from the tragedy of her husbad's death in every way, if you get my drift
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ReeseStrongnight said:

Thats intresting, didnt no that.What do you think of that fucked up letter?He sounds like a ungrateful,spineless asshole.Wife and daughter and he writes letter to his fans?From his penmanship its plain to see he was either high or hysterical.

kisscamille said:

Got that right. She definitely is a loser. She's LOST her @#$%^ mind!

How in the hell did she ever get a record contract anyway? Who can actually stand to listen to that boring, untalented voice on "Malibu" (that chorus is the most dreadful thing) and her screaming in her other songs?! Wouldn't be surprised if she got her record contract just because she was Kurt Cobain's girlfriend, or did some "favors" to record company execs to score one.

whatever. she's an incredibly witty, incredibly talented, incredibly creative person locked up in the life of someone who appears to be drug-addled, insecure and i'd argue suffering from ADD to boot. she's not a well person. that much is clear. i think to paint a picture of her as a conniving, manipulative villainess is giving her too much credit, though she ain't no dummie in getting what she wants, either. that much is clear. i think she's fascinating. i always laugh at loud when i read interviews with her, and her "24 Hours Of Love" on MTV was a day of the most inspiring, hilarious television i'd seen in a long time. maybe other people find her completely useless, but frank zappa once said that if one person can say they love any given song, then there's no such thing as "crap music". and there are a lot of songs by courtney and hole that i love. so...

Anxiety said:

SHE ON RITALIN AS KID

SO SHE LEARN THAT SHE NEED DRUG TO BE OK

IT KIND OF SAD

Sad.I just read the article in RS. Man,I hate to see so much talent wasted and sshe seems to have a really happy child. I just hope she stays that way. Her mother is a mess. I would think the fact that she has a daughter and that her daughter's gfather destroyed himself would be enough to straighten her out. I don't see any good ending to this. And this woman is talented,intelligent(really,she is),and used to be kind of cute.But now, she is like what we have in Iraq.