i think they're all in LA having a sit-in...

Dude dressed conservatively for court. Guess he comprehends the gravity of the situation now.

The judge softly and methodically read the counts of the indictment, which supersedes charges filed by Santa Barbara County prosecutors late last year.

The first one was a dramatic new count — conspiracy, alleging 28 individual overt acts involving child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion. The indictment was released with the names of alleged co-conspirators deleted. It also said there were "other uncharged co-conspirators and co-conspirators whose identities are unknown."

Counts two to five alleged Jackson committed a lewd act upon a child. Count six alleged an attempted lewd act on a child. Counts seven to 10 alleged the administering of intoxicating agents to assist in the commission of a felony.

Melville said there were also two "special allegations" that relate to possible sentencing but he did not specify what they were.

Jackson was originally charged with seven counts of lewd or lascivious conduct involving a child under 14 and two counts of administering an intoxicant, reportedly wine, to a child under 14.

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VoicesCarry said:

mmm you can't be serious?
don't start more drama
soon light will come
then river
then it'll start all over again

I don't think I look awful in that pic...

He gets more scary every time I see him...not to mention more out of touch with reality, I mean, WTF is he smiling about, he just got slammed with yet more serious charges!!

CandaceS said:

im just glad he was on time!
i guess his new lawyer set him straight
im glad somebody did
if he really is innocent i don't think he should be marose about anything really
i suppose he's Confident

How interesting: between the January indictment and the today's indictment the date has changed from Feb 7th to Feb 20 th. Hmmm...

His makeup looks flawless.

thedoorkeeper said:

i hear he's a sad sight without it!
hell he's a sad sight with it!

I think he looks good! Better than Ive seen him in years!
That case is getting sillier and sillier everyday and if u cant see it..Sigh
He is charged by keeping the Kid at neveryland without his own will !!!! Its stupid weve seen kid in bashir doc. he was happy...and MJ has tons of people in Neverland if the boy wanted to go wouldnt they say: hey mike kid is crying he wanna go etc etc...
Bastards

Read This: In the revised filing, Sneddon has changed the dates considerably. Now he says Jackson did whatever he's alleged to have done between Feb. 20 and March 12, 2003. What? This means there was a two week mistake in the first filing. Is anyone paying attention to this? And the new final date — March 12 — seems impossible too by all accounts.

Source Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/st...79,00.html

CandaceS said:

I thinks the look and smile on his face means this:

Im innocent and I will prove it to you all..see my fans!! When everything is over youll wish u was neverborn Sneddon...and stand still for a better song than D.S.
mj Sneddon

Thats how he looked to me

LightOfArt said:

Michael was iin florida at the time
The date they're talking about is when Mj whiske dthem out of the country so they wouldn't feel the backlash from the bashir tape
They're painting a picture that mj was holding him aginst there will
it wasnt against theyre will
but D.A. probably thinks it would help the case better
this is gonna be a fun case by all means! lol

Luv4oneanotha said:

Im telling u its a BIG mistake they chaged the dates!...now i have no doubt he is innocent...it will convince more people that he is innocent!!! stupid move from sneddon the snake

But I'm wondering why the added this conspiracy theory. Doesn't it mean, they have to show some more defendants or at least one?

BlueNote

The more that it is emphasized that the alleged actions took place AFTER Bashir's documentary, the more this case sounds like D.S. B.S. to me!

BlueNote said:

Legal Experts think this was a big mistake on sneddons part
the fact that he didn't file conspiracy along with the first indictment in january
ways in heavy on him
which means he could of invented the allegations between december and up
he's trying o paint a picture thatw ill lead easily into MJ's incarceration
he may say he doesn't have a vendetta but , the moves he's making is suring making it look like he is

Luv4oneanotha said:

I haven't heard of any names, any idea who it could be?

Riverdean7 said:

Ok, whats that. Didn't Sneddon say he was approached by the family trough a lawyer or therapist or something? But on the other hand I can not believe he would do such things, it would be so stupid.

BlueNote

BlueNote said:[quote]

Luv4oneanotha said:

thats most likely a lie
around feb of last year the accusers mother was found with sneddons card
before the alleged dates
i think this is a planned attack

but if your interested on how the abuse was filed?
it was filed through a third party
basically the accuser went to a lawyer
Larry feldman(same lawyer who represented the first child)
Larry feldman perscribed a therapist
the therapist Called in the allegations
believe it or not this was the same way the first allegations in 1993 were filed
through third party
the fact that sneddon could of been in contact before the alleged act
raises questions...

Luv4oneanotha said:

Like why the hell was the JC-Penney-extorting mom even speaking to Sneddon, lawyers, or even therapists before March?

Luv4oneanotha said:

So, no 'family meeting' between sneddon and the mother?

I know about the characters involved in this mess and it looks weired.

BlueNote

CinisterCee said:

Hold on, did she speak to Sneddon before it happened?

BlueNote
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BlueNote said:

im not saying yes,
but its a good possibility...
she was seen with sneddons card
and had alleged phone convos

Luv4one, do you know anything about that Vinny guy?

BlueNote

BlueNote said:

Vinny?
full name?

Luv4oneanotha said:

Do you mean vincent Amen?

I guess

Frank and Vincent?

BlueNote

BlueNote said:

Frank and Vincent Are part of mj's Security team and some of MJ's best friends
tyson is mj's god son
these guys are in the middle of the mess
they were the ones who allegedly held the kid and his mom against there will in neverland
sneddon offered them immunity if they testified against MJ
they rejected it

Mor einfo on tyson and amen...
Did Tom Sneddon Contact Family First?

22/04/2004

This morning, it seems, Michael Jackson has been indicted by a Santa Barbara grand jury on charges of child abuse. However: The two young men who worked for Jackson and took care of the family now accusing him of child molestation will have a lot to say should they ever testify in the case.

The two young men are Frank Tyson and Vincent Amen. A mutual acquaintance tells me that their main fashion accessory is a briefcase full of documents on this subject. It contains receipts, correspondence, and loads of other evidence that piece together their experience with the woman, her boyfriend, and the children.

I saw some of this evidence a few months ago, and I can tell you that District Attorney Tom Sneddon is walking into a buzz saw if he thinks this pair can help his case.

In fact, I am told, Tyson and Amen will recount how, when they returned the family to their own apartment in East Los Angeles on February 16, 2003, a business card belonging to Sneddon had already been slipped under the door of their apartment.

The mother — fresh from the uproar 10 days earlier of her two sons being featured in the Martin Bashir special "Living with Michael Jackson" — picked up the card and called Sneddon, they will say. And that could suggest that Sneddon, long before there was any accusation against Jackson of child molestation, was already looking for a case that might develop into something more.

Sneddon's office refused to take messages for him yesterday. They referred all questions to their public relations firm.

What is patently absurd: charges that the two young men intimidated the family of Michael's young accuser.

Readers of this column know that long ago we discussed these two young men: Frank Cascio, who goes by the name Frank Tyson, and his pal, Amen. They are both 23-years-old, and they come from New Jersey. Tyson has known Jackson since he was a child. He and his next oldest sibling, a brother, and Tyson's parents are old friends of Jackson and consider him family. The feeling is mutual.

I met Tyson with Jackson in November 2000 at the home of public relations expert Howard Rubenstein. I ran into him again in the summer of 2002 at the Mohegan Sun Casino in Connecticut. He is as capable of intimidating or threatening someone as my beloved 10-year-old calico cat. Both Tyson and Cascio are well brought up, intelligent young men. They are not thugs. They are well-spoken, handsome, and humble, with excellent manners. It's not even remotely possible that they threatened to kill anyone or hold them against their will.

On the day the Martin Bashir special aired on ABC — February 6, 2003 — Tyson was in Miami with Jackson. That was when he met the boy who would later accuse Jackson of child molestation, plus the boy's mother and siblings. He returned to New York, but Tyson's brother and sister were among the passengers who flew back to Neverland with Jackson, as well Michael's own children, their nannies, and the accusing family.

A few days later, Tyson was called by Jackson's videographer Marc Schaffel to come to Neverland and help work on the rebuttal video that Jackson's group sold to Fox TV. Tyson brought his childhood pal, Amen, with him and they began to help Schaffel.

Concurrently, I am told, the family — which was now happily ensconced at Neverland — was being "handled" in the aftermath of the Bashir special by Jackson's then manager, Deiter Wiesner. But Wiesner was heavy-handed with them. Finally — in frustration — he turned the project of entertaining and mollifying the family over to Schaffel. But Schaffel was busy with putting together the Fox special. He delegated the job to Tyson and Amen. Quite the opposite from holding them hostage, the pair was at the beck and call of the boy's mother.

If Sneddon thinks he's going to indict Tyson and Amen, here's a little flash for him: according to my sources, these guys kept the most detailed records of all their dealings with this woman and her children. As eyewitnesses to what went on with the family in question, the pair is ready and able to defend not only themselves but Jackson and Schaffel as well.

In fact, Tyson and Amen give an account of a timeline in this case from February 7 to mid-March, 2003, that could make them star defense witnesses — and a big headache for Sneddon and his prosecutors.

They will testify, if it goes that far, to the mother's constant complaints and requests, and to her anger when Jackson did nothing, as they remember her saying it, "to make my kids stars." They will describe her as a conniving opportunist and leech. According to my sources, they will also recount how the mother did not want to leave Neverland once she had allowed the pair to move her in from her impoverished flat in East Los Angeles. In fact, she told them each on numerous occasions that she thought Jackson should buy her a house in Solvang, a stone's throw from Neverland.

This conversation took place on March 11, 2003, the day Amen drove the mother to family court so she could fight her ex-husband for more child support. Amen told friends that when the judge ruled in the mother's favor that day he thought she'd be happy. She wasn't.

"She said she'd been promised all kinds of things. She wanted to work for MJJ
Productions," my source reports. "She told Frank and Vinnie that she wanted to do Michael's PR because of all the bad things people said about him. She thought Michael was going to make her kids into stars."

Rather than hold anyone hostage, as the mother has now reportedly told Santa Barbara police, Tyson and Amen shuttled the mother's children around while she went off with her boyfriend. After the family court ruling, the mother asked Tyson and Amen to bring the children to her parents' home in El Monte, Calif.

"She called up, acting very sweet, and said her father was sick and wanted to see the kids," a source told me. That would be the last time Tyson and Amen saw the children, around March 15, 2003.

Sneddon has reportedly offered Tyson and Amen immunity if they testify against Jackson, but my sources are adamant that the pair has rejected this idea. Believe me, they are not stupid. If they thought they had done something wrong, both Tyson and Amen would have taken the DA's deal. But they know what happened, and they feel, according to my sources, that they can prove it. Easily.

Source: Roger Friedman
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