Martinelli said:

nah, i was just kidding. i was about 6 when that record came out.

SassyBritches said:

no
& i don't really hate Tori (that much) I quite like 'Under the Pink'

I love both of these artists very much, and I hate when people do these Kate vs Tori debates. Kate is a pioneer, and she most surely inluenced Tori. I think to a certain extent, the reason a lot of Kate fans have to rag on Tori is because she's had the success that many feel Kate should have had. Well, I don't view success as being that of album sales. Both of these brilliant women have produced some of the best music I've heard in my lifetime.

Actually, I think the artists that Kate is closest to in style is her frequent collaborator, Peter Gabriel. Both take sounds from varied different ethnic styles, and mesh it into their own extremely English pop/rock.

Tori definitely learned a thing or two from Kate, but she also got a whole lot from Led Zepplin, Joni Mitchell and others. While, at first listen, you can really hear the similarities to Kate in her voice, the more you delve into her music the more you see that she is really going in a very different direction. Tori has crafted some of the most amazing, heart-wrenching songs I've ever heard.

All in all, its a disservice to both these women to compare them. They both are just truly fantastic artists. I just wish Kate put out albums as often as Tori!!!

Martinelli said:

BLASPHEMY!!! I mean, I like The Dreaming, but Hounds Of Love is one of the greatest albums of all time! Its her Sign O The Times!!!

JediMaster said:

i'm so glad someone agrees with me! i have said for YEARS that kate bush is the female peter gabriel.

VinaBlue said:

Vina, pick up Hounds Of Love. In fact, try to find the import, since it was remastered with bonus cuts (you can usually find it pretty cheap online). You MUST hear this album!!! I know you'd love it. The import has a B-side called Under The Ivy that is one of her most beautiful songs!

SassyBritches said:

They're VERY much on the same wavelength, much more so than Tori and Kate are. I do hear a bit of Gabriel's influence on Tori as well, but to a much lesser degree (and, I think, people occasionally mistake that for Kate influence).

Also, Kate's style of piano playing is DRASTICALLY different than Tori's. SInce that is such a keystone of Tori's work, I'm amazed more people don't note that.

Tori can play the shit out of two pianos at the same time, and sing her ass off.

EvilWhiteMale said:

JediMaster said:

Ok!

VinaBlue said:

oh fer fucks sake!!!!!

Damn, those Tori pix give me goosebumps.

sextonseven said:

I've got more over here:

http://groups.msn.com/Vin...esses.msnw

SassyBritches said:

What's the matter?

EvilWhiteMale said:

nothing...she just works my pussy into a storm!

SassierBritches said:

That's fantastic.

sextonseven said:

They're both as bad.

JediMaster said:

Ummm... I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Are you speaking purely in terms of US success? 'Cos over here in the UK Kate's album sales shit all over Tori's.

Cloudbuster said:

I have yet to see evidence of that on this thread.

Cloudbuster said:

And yet another example of Kate fans ragging on Tori. You could have simply said "Kate outsells Tori by far in England,' but instead phrased it in a way that channels venomous superiority.

Everyone knows anyway that once you become successful in the U.S. (as Tori has), then you're really successful. Why else would Robbie Williams move there?

sextonseven said:

Oh! How narrow minded of you.

And I ain't ragging on Tori. I think she's great.

Cool link http://members.aol.com/ge.../kvst.html

Cloudbuster said:

Oh! How narrow minded of you.
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I only meant that the states being so big, a platinum album there pulls in a lot more money than a platinum album in England, right?

Oops, got the quotes mixed up on that last post. We all know what we said.

sextonseven said:

In that respect, yes.

Kate of course. Tori is a fucking whore.

Oooh, the misogyny!

Cloudbuster said:

Cool link Buster!

We both know Kate wins!

She's #1

Novabreaker said:

Yeah, she'll let any ol' pig suck on her titty!

VinaBlue said:

Fuck it Vina!! Just get her anthology! It has Japanese remasters of all her albums up untill 1990, plus bonus material.
It also has some killer linear notes.
It's only $180 bucks new. But I did see it on ebay for $90 bucks and it's still sealed!
I might even rebuy it at that price. Then I won't feel so bad about playing the set I already have. It's a true gem. If I had to go with any of her single releases I would say get The Kick Inside, Hounds of Love or The Dreaming.

sinisterpentatonic said:

$180??? I'll have to work up to spendin that kind of dough on her... I like Running Up That Hill and Don't Give Up... But Paula Cole does a better job... HA!