Madonna: totally overrated, the media keep kissing her ass, so sad! Still don't understand how she's still here with so few natural talent (bad voice, no dancing skills, awful actress, shitty music, arrogant attitude....). Does she really think she has invented Electronica, she acts like she has.....
The girl's sly, it's the only reason for her longivity.

Robbie Williams: overrated too. Average voice, but thinks he's the new Sinatra. A stupid and egocentric bastard, like his former enemy Liam Gallagher. Win a brit award every year, poor England...

Moonbeam.

LAKERS will kick that Portland ass in playoffs, got it?

Celebrities that get on my nerves? Boy, this should be fun.

1) DESTINY"S CHILD---these moderately talented (although quite cute) ladies have been all over everywhere ad nauseum!!! What gets me most is the blatant attempts at stardom, which include being hypocrites. How can you go from "Can You Pay My Bills" to being an "Independent Woman" in less than 6 months? YOU CAN"T!!!!

2) MADONNA----This woman has to be the ugliest, least talented sex symbol/singer in history. Made her name using sex, kept it by stealing an popular trend coming down the pipe. Now treated as royalty??? The skankiest, sluttiest woman I've ever seen.....she and Rodman seem perfect together. ewwww.

3) MICHELLE JACKSON---thats right, MICHELLE---I'll be the first to admit, I USED to love some MJ when he was a kid star. Sadly, after the "Off the Wall" album, hetook control of his career and plastic surgeried it to the toilet. Too many nose surgeries have destroyed what once was an outstanding voice. When will singers realize.....if you can't breathe, you can't sing? Now he just grunts through songs. Most of all, he gets on my nerves for changing himself from a handsome young black man, to an ugly old white woman. I think he has some major issues and a lot of self-loathing going on.....anyone who desires and acts on changing their race is sick. Period!

4) Lil Kim----Somebody PLEASE tell this girl that her fashion sense SUCKS!!!! I have yet to see her even look aiight! She takes sluttiness to another level with her "I need attention" antics. Another "star" who has some major issues. I'm convinced she either has or had no self-esteem, and has to use the outrageous stuff to make her feel sexy. Sista, even when you were chubby, you were beautiful.....just because you lose weight doesn't mean you have to be a hoe to be beautiful. Love and respect youself, and others will too.

5) Calista Flockhart---alright, once and for all.....ANOREXIA IS NOT SEXY!!!!! I get sick just looking at her. Ladies.....keep a little meat on your bones. Nobody wants a girl who looks like death warmed over.

6)Robert Downey Jr.----this guy shows just how warped America is. Chances upon chances, AND not because he's a great actor. If this were any Joe Blow on the street (especially if he was a brotha), he'd be in jail with no chance at restoring a hollywood career. Let Denzel or any other good black actor get busted once...think they'd get a second chance? if so, gimme some of what u're smokin.

7) Jesse Jackson---I love ya Jesse, you did a lot for our people, but now youre more of a hinderance and an annoyance. Turned from civil rights leader, to publicity hound, desperate for attention. Sorry Jesse, your dream of becoming the 1st Black president went out the window when your lips became attached to the asses of people you used to protest against. I'm convinced he's deluded himself into believing he's the next MLK. NOT!!!!

8 ) Britney Spears---she's KINDA cute, and a decent dancer, but the girl just can't sing. I realy hope her 15 minutes are up soon. Shows that in America it takes nothing but looks to make it. Talented, she ain't.

9) Christina Aguilera---or as I like to call her Christina "Lookslikeshesmella". Not cute, but has raw talent. If only somebody could get her with a voice coach that tells her the truth.....a good voice is crap if you can't control it!!!! Trys to sing like black singer, sounds idiotic doing so. Whomever thought to have her and 3 non-talented singers cover Patti LaBelle ought to be severly punished.

10) Kid Rock, Elvis, Micheal Bolton, the Beastie Boys, Vanilla Ice, Pat Boone and any other theiving artist who ripped off Black music to make themselves famous at the expense of good music. Elvis IS NOT the king of rock and roll..... especially when his entire persona and music were stolen from the likes of the true kings....Little Richard, Chuck Berry and Jackie Wilson. MAKE YOU OWN STYLES>>>STOP STEALING OURS!!!!

I feel ya on the Elvis thing, Codshort.

LOL at Michelle Jackson

Codshort; i agree Calista Flockhart is annoying...but anorexia is an illness, i don't think people choose 2 have it

And you're right, people who copy other artists styles r nothing.....TAKE THEM AWAY FROM MY SIGHT

I will stand by Madonna and Janet till the end! And Portland!

Peach said:

Ya Peach.....I don't mean to diss anybody who is ill. I just hate that the wrong standards of beauty are being forced on little girls who think thats how they should look.....like they're ill.

Cod, you're right - i understand what u meant now

Peace and goodnight

Elvis did not rip off anything. If you did some research then you would know Elvis grew up with black kids. He grew up with the same music they did and listened to the same music they did.He went to all night gospel sings when he was a kid and fell in love with the music. there was no master plan. Does that mean that Only those black folks were allowed to sing that music? Ray charles also did country music. How dare he!!! see what I mean? Nat King Cole. How dare he sing "White Nusic". See how stupid that sounds?? A certain type of music does not belong to anyone. Don't be so narrowminded.And if you had done some research then you would know that Elvis sang more than black music back then. he sang country music, he sang ballads. he had more range than the people you mentioned. if it wasn't for Elvis's popularity, those black artists you mentioned would never have got played on white radio stations. Little Richard said that he thanks god for Elvis, because while Elvis was not the first, he did burst the door wide open for all those black artists to get mainstream acceptance. Elvis made the biggest impact of them all. he brought black and white music together to the mainstream. He made rock n roll a true force to be reckoned with. That changed the world. That's why he is the king.

Don't blame Elvis if he was more popular than those black artists. And....Elvis always gave credit to the people that influenced him. Go ask James brown and B.B king about Elvis. They both knew him. They have nothing but good things to say about him. They would tell you to open your eyes.

I doubt Codshort is unfamiliar with the Elvis story. And I sure as hell ain't. But it goes MUCH deeper than your explanation. Codshort is on point about this, as usual.

* Julia Roberts.. she is a whore.. I hate that she makes the SAME movie everytime.. with that DUMB "Smile" to promote it..

* Mariah Carey.. she acts like her shit doesn't stick.. has NO Talent anymore.. her voice is gone, she lip syncs everything.. BUT I do LOVE to watch her hang herself with ALL her dumb thoughts/words

* Mike Tyson... total idot!! NO skill..NEVER could fight.. over hyped loser.. who wants to BLAME everyone but himself for his dumb behavior..

I have seen Chaplain and thought he was fabulous....

Now to your challenge...How about

Natural Born Killers...???

Downey did a super job of playing a very Geraldo-ish journalist/reporter!!!!
This role was a way far cry from "blank stare and monotone".

Gotta give love to Oli Stone.....Oli rox!!!

Life Sexy u all

As far as Robert Downey Jr. goes, yeah, he did some cheesy 80's flicks, but he is far from monotone. If you want a monotone actor look at Keanu Reeves whose only worthwhile performance so far has been The Matrix. RD Jr. was excellent in Chaplin and Home for the Holidays aside from verious other films. I'm sure a lot of you here who are critical of him probably wouldn't do half as well as him. I'm an actress and I know what it takes. Take it from someone who knows what she's talking about, RD Jr. is good. The best, great? No, but he's not Susan Lucci either.

like everyone's detail.. funny read!!

* Madonna: reminds me now of a Mother you would see on "Jenny Jones", "Sally" or whatever.. and their child who is 11 or so would beg for them "Not to Dress to Sexy" or "Mom, quit dressing like a whore" episode... ( and then Sally will give them a Make Over) Her Music Videos have that "Vibe" of the Mother at The Club or like chris rock said " that person a little to old to be at the club"

* Destiny's Child : They are Media WHORES!! I see them on EVERYTHING!..DO THEY TURN DOWN ANYTHING???

* The stupidest thing they did was sing on ABC's Wide World of Sport show... it was a show where they had allot of different sport athletes competing against each other in boat races,tug of war,and stuff like that..

~it was dumb and such a typical thing you would see on saturday afternoon on ABC.. that you just click by

well they had ONE singing act..???? I was thinking WHY would they have a "singing act" for this???? and yes your right Destiny's Child..WHY WHY WHY???.. it was one of their songs also, not the national anthem..

also on Micheal Jackson's CBS Concert..

The Blonde Lead Singer (Beonce?).. is GETTING FAT!!! She can't wear those clothes anymore.. she had a GUT! and fat legs!.. SHE LOOKED LIKE SHIT! Her GUT was just giggling all around..


** I BET They would Play a KKK Clan Ralley if it was broadcast on TV?????



Turn something down.. also LEARN how to sing!! STOP doing that "vocal gymnastics"... HOLD a note...

GOD I hate when R&B Singers do that.

Will Smith
Jada Pinkett
Babyface
Adam Sandler
Matt Damon
Ben Affleck
Britney Spears
Carson Daly
Destiny's Child
Kobe Bryant

Me : robbie williams, tom jones,elton john: they sing shit, all the ex spice girls
bush jr & all his staff ( rice & cheney & powell too)
Mj, spears & the boys band and their clones: the represent all that his hateful in the music biz today & ricky martin sucks too
All the “Ive got a gun Ive got hoes” rapper
Fuck tom cruise & all the scientologists hehe
Hey downey jr was good in a robert altman movie, I forgot the title…

He is unfamiliar with the Elvis story. I know all there is to know about Elvis presley. Do some research.

C.O.D ain't a scholar on Elvis...but I ain't dumb on him either. Don't even play like he "grew up" with black folks. We're talking 40-50's south, here.....intergration was NOT acceptable, especially for poor white folks. That aside.....

Instead of you taking my opinion of his thievery....check this out .....from http://www.elvis.com/elvi...erview.asp " target="_blank"> http://www.elvis.com/elvi...erview.asp the OFFICIAL website for Elvis.

"Elvis’ musical influences were the pop and country music of the time, the gospel music he heard in church and at the all-night gospel sings he frequently attended, and the black R&B he absorbed on historic Beale Street as a Memphis teenager....."

Sounds to me as if his own site says he "absorbed" (better known as STOLE) black music? Are you saying something different?


Thats why Elvis was so hated by most white parents of the time.....he was a white boy up there singing "ni****" music, gyrating his hips like blacks folks had been doin for decades..... look at and listen to Jackie Wilson and tell me Elvis didn't cop his ENTIRE style. From the hair, to the clothes, to the moves, to the sound...he stole it all. But Jackie gets called...."the black Elvis".....yeah, right!

Nuff said.....

Spats said:

No offense, Spats, but I guess YOU need to do some research, bro.

or re-interpret your research....since you do seem to have your facts correct. My bad....

Elvis was the orginal "Vanilla Ice"..& "Madonna"

ok a more talent then him.. but the same basic thing..

Music Industry " Hey we can't have these white kids only liking these black artist!! Hey lets "make up" a white person.. to do the same stuff.. BUT we will give the "white person" all the credit .. and all the publicity"


Elvis - 1950's
Madonna - 1980's
Vanilla Ice - 1990's

Truth stings

DavidEye said:

David, you and Calhoun brought up some excellent points. Prince and Madonna's sexual obsession was GENUINE, and not necessarily meant for shock (although it most certainly did)They were living out their sexual lives and naturally reflecting that in the music.
But when considering Janet's recent obsession with sex, I believe one has to take into account her religious, and repressed upbringing. If you saw the MTV special tribute to her, she was seen saying that upon first meeting Jimmy and Terry, Joseph Jackson ordered them not to "make my daughter sound like Prince". I mean, she didnt even start using swear words until 1994/1995! Now, to give her the benefit of the doubt, she may HAVE actually discovered her sexuality recently, because she WAS repressed...but still, something about the way that sexuality comes through in her music seems forced....like she's saying: 'HEY! LOOK AT ME!!! I'VE DISCOVERED SEX AND ITS WONDERFUL!!!! HEY COME LOOK AT ME BE SEXY!!!! LOOK LOOK!!" She's overdoing it. If she relaxed, and did a spread in playboy like her sister did, she could get it out of her system.

Madonna was pretty damn sexually repressed too, so if that's what it's based on...listen to her talk about her Catholic upbringing.

codshort said:

I think the feathers get ruffled when the word "stole" is used...and in a way, I can understand why....to say Elvis "stole" from the black community would be saying that he "took" something that he had no right to have, as well as negating the concept of "musical influence"...the thing is, had Elvis' story been exactly the same, only that Elvis was black, nobody would be saying that he "stole" anything from anybody...so using the word "stole" also means that a race of people can have "ownership" over a sound, which to me anyway, is a bit far-fetched...I don't remember too many blacks saying Charlie Pride "stole" country music from whites...lol...

Remember that show "A Different World" on NBC?...Welp, there was one episode in which the characters were wanting to play some music, and someone said to put on "If You Don't Know Me By Now" by Simply Red...and one of the characters responded by saying "Simply Red simply stole that song!!"...Now, my first--and only--reaction to hearing that was "if that song had been covered by a black group, would anyone have said they 'stole' the song??.."...and of course the answer is "nope...they wouldn't have"...which means that the viewpoint expressed is that "whites" don't have any "right" to even cover a classic r&b song...to do so is to "steal" it...a black group could mangle that song all to hell, sing it off-key and add some pathetic rapping in the middle in an effort to sound "sexy" and "hip", and that's ok, nobody would say shit...but a white singer covers it, and has success with it, and it's branded as "stolen"...makes no sense...

wellbeyond said:

You guys are taking a profound issue that the surface is only being scratched with so far. Had Elvis been Black there is NO WAY IN HELL he'd be the Elvis he turned out to be.

Charlie Pride is in no way considered by anyone "The King of Country Music", and has in no way had the success of Country music's biggest performers, and is never brought up with the likes of Johnny Cash, George Jones, Hank Williams and the like. To make that analogy is missing the point.

After shocking the hell out of middle America's parental types he was eventually accepted BECAUSE he was White. The pioneers of this so-called "devil's music" were Black artists. Those artists were pushed to the background with regard to the type of success that Elvis acheived, because Ozzie and Harriet can't have their innocent children dancing to and enjoying that barbaric, unrefined "n----- music."

Big Momma Thornton died destitute and got paid exactly $200 dollars for her original rendition of Lieber & Stoller's "Hound Dog" after selling 2,000,000 copies of her single. Yes, 2,000,000 copies. Do you think Elvis cared about helping her out? I mean, he had a huge hit with "Hound Dog" and publicly professed his admiration for Black recording artists.

Even Leiber & Stoller disliked Elvis' cover version because it was so watered down compared to the gritty Thornton's, and changed some of the lyrics to the point of devolving into silliness.

Those gyrating dances Elvis was doing that was oh-so-shocking to middle America were being done for YEARS in southern juke joints in America by Blacks. It was considered nasty, vulgur, vile, etc. It was too sexual for the Father Knows Best generation. Would a Black man be accepted, promoted, ALLOWED to do this in public for White crowds, on TV for the whole country to see - even if Ed Sullivan demanded to not show his hips swiveling? NO.

But that "devil's music" was accepted simply because he was White. It made it more palatable for White audiences to deal with. Not that he didn't face obstacles early on - it's that he didn't face obstacles that prohibited his MASSIVE success.

Elvis' ascent was directly at the expense of exposure and sometimes potential money made by Black pioneers.

Talk to any brainwashed person who either knows no better, or is in denial and they'll tell you Elvis Presley "invented" Rock and Roll. Yet Rock and Roll was being peformed in the late 1940s by Blacks. Where is the mention of those Blacks when people talk about the "invention" of this genre? Although Bill Haley wasn't Black, even he predated Elvis.

When Little Richard and Fats Domino had hit records, Pat Boone's renditions went even further and topped the charts with wimped-out, safe as milk versions. Made for middle America to digest easier. Why would his records become bigger? His image was more palatable to Leave It To Beaver's pre Baby-Boom parents, so he got more exposure.

Domino's "The Fat Man" from 1949 is considered by some to be the first Rock and Roll record.

Big Joe Turner was recording Rock and Roll music prior to Elvis.

Big Joe Turner wrote some of the songs her performed. Elvis did not. Fats Domino wrote and co-wrote many of the songs he performed. Elvis did not. Chuck Berry is Rock and Roll's very first poet, and was the one who paved the way for other performers to write their own songs. Without him The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Beach Boys, Bob Dylan, and every other performer who was allowed to write their own material would have sung songs penned by the Brill Building and Rock and Roll would have turned out much different.

Elvis never wrote his own songs. They were either written for him, or he did cover versions of previous Rock/Country/R&B/Blues/Gospel music. It's not that I'm saying you're only important if you write every single song you perform, I'm saying his contribution to his success wasn't at the same level as those who wrote and composed at least many of their songs.

When you hear guitar riffs like the one Prince created for "Let's Go Crazy" it's a variation of the foundation of Rock and Roll that Chuck Berry invented by way of the great Johnnie Johnson. Chuck's piano player, and the man whose playing he derived his riffs from.

The Bo Diddley beat is one of Rock's watershed rhythms. You heard U2's "Desire"? It's a variation of The Bo Diddley beat. Ever heard "I Want Candy" by The Strangeloves in the 60s or Bow Wow Wow's version in the 80s? That's a variation of The Bo Diddley beat.

Why is it that Ike Turner never gets much of a mention in the mainstream media when the advent of Rock and Roll comes up? Ike Turner's Kings Of Rhythm recording of "Rocket 88" was produced by Sam Phillips (more about him later) starting in 1951 with Jackie Brentson. According to many historians this record was the first Rock and Roll recording.


You could say Elvis had a great voice.

You could say he performed like no one else - outside of Black America's juke joints where that perceived crass sexuality was restricted for everyone but him during that time.

But you can't say that Elvis was the most profound influence on a musical basis alone. What he did was make it palatable and more massively popular to the mainstream.

Sam Phillips himself is quoted as saying if he could get a White man who could sing like a Black man he'd make a million dollars. And why was this?

Because he KNEW that a Black man would NOT be accepted and/or as successful doing what had already been invented by Blacks at that time. Elvis' band was just playing a form of music that already existed.

And don't get me started on whether or not Elvis actually said what is rumored he said about Black people.

This is why many people use the word "stole" with this issue.

Supernova said:

So does that mean it only becomes "stealing" when a certain level of success is reached??...Had Elvis never reached anywhere near the level of popularity that he did, would it STILL have been "stealing'??...If so, then whether or not Elvis would have been as successful had he been black has NO relevance to the argument whatsoever..



Nope, actually it's making the point...if you're really saying that the MAIN reason you feel Elvis "stole" black music is because of the level of success and popularity he achieved, then this entire debate is moot...If someone steals my wallet in Vegas, it's irrelevant whether he takes my money and gambles it into 100 times more than he stole, or if he gambles it all away...the level of success the person who "stole" from me is so irrelevant to the argument that it would never even be considered..yet it seems to be the central argument to your stance...why??



Blame the media, society, radio, record companies, etc, etc...but to blame ELVIS for that is aiming your gun at the wrong target...



We once again come back to the same question, though...is Elvis' level of success the measuring stick by which you decide if something was "stolen" or not??...To me, what happens AFTER something is stolen plays no part in whether or not it WAS stolen...and Elvis not wanting to help Big Momma Thornton doesn't automatically mean he "stole" anything...should he have done something to help her out??..Yes...because he didn't, does that now mean he stole the song??...No.



Leiber & Stroller's assessment of Elvis' cover has NO baring whatsoever as to whether or not Elvis "stole" shit...lol...so people didn't like his version...whooppee...how does that "prove" or "show" that Elvis "stole" anything??...It doesn't...



No offense, Super, but you're not saying ANYTHING to back up the claim that Elvis "stole" anything...True, he wasn't the originator of his moves and music, but Prince isn't the originator of HIS moves, either...why aren't we crying out "Prince STOLE those moves!!"...Well, I know why..lol..he's black, so he's "influenced by his idols"..had he been white, he would have "stolen" those spins and yelps from James Brown and Little Richard...



And some of those same Black pioneers will ALSO say that Elvis' success made it EASIER for them to be heard by white American kids...almost like he was their surrogate into the Black musical culture, he made it seem less "dangerous" and "evil"...he also helped create a demand for this type of music...



And once again, does this mean Elvis "STOLE" music from blacks??...Or does it mean that the music Elvis grew up listening to and loving originated somewhere else other than in the purebred white south??...or is it somewhere in between??...and of course, just because Black rock and roll artists' contributions have been overlooked thru the years, it does NOT mean that Elvis stole any damn thing..lol...



And this means...what??..At what point do we draw the logical line from "Pat Boone's versions were watered down and did better", to "Elvis stole black music"??...Sinead O'Connor did hella better with "Nothing Compares 2 U" than The Family did...does that mean she "stole" the song??...

Domino's "The Fat Man" from 1949 is considered by some to be the first Rock and Roll record.




Nor can you simply say "Elvis stole from the Blacks!!", and leave it at that...nobody here is doubting the profound influence on rock that any of these black musical pioneers have had...yet their influence does NOT mean that Elvis stole anything...like I said, using that word means two things: 1) Whites are not allowed to be influenced to any great extent by the music of black artists and are not allowed to have any great success as a result, for to do so is "stealing" by definition....and 2) musical styles and genres are to be seen as "owned" by certain races, with anyone outside that race forbidden to cross the line into other types of music...



And they shouldn't...anger doesn't justify false accusations, nor does it rationalize away the ignoring of how MUSIC develops and evolves...bottom-line, anger at Elvis is misdirected anger...the man didn't "steal" shit...

By the way, might as well nip this in the butt before it goes down this path, cuz after witnessing thousands of debates on P.org, I can already see that it probably will go in this direction...lol...


So...just to make sure it's NOT misunderstood...

...saying that "Elvis didn't 'steal' from the Black community" is in NO way saying that Elvis "invented" rock and roll...

...saying that "Elvis didn't 'steal' from the Black community" is in NO way saying that Elvis was the first to come up with this sound...

...saying that "Elvis didn't 'steal' from the Black community" is in NO way saying that the Black pioneers of rock and roll weren't overlooked or treated unfairly...

...saying that "Elvis didn't 'steal' from the Black community" is in NO way saying that there weren't others before him who had developed and perfected the very sound he popularized to the masses...

As far as I can tell, nobody on this thread--or on this site even--has been saying that Elvis started, created, or invented rock and roll...so that's not even up for argument, because nobody--including me--is saying anything of the sort...

But what IS being said is that Elvis wasn't simply some backwards hick with a half-way decent voice who was in cahoots with the record companies to "steal" all the music coming from the Black communities, and claim it as their invention....Elvis was no Fabian or Frankie Avalon, creations by an "idol maker" to hype the hell out of him and ride the wave as long as it lasted...the big reason Elvis was able to become what he eventually became was because Elvis truly loved and lived the music he eventually ended up singing...he wasn't introduced to rock by some money-hungry record exec...he grew up exposed to much of the same music that black kids were hearing, he lived it and loved it and sang it and eventually "absorbed" it into his life(and nope, I don't equate "absorbed" with "stealing")...

His moves, mannerisms, attitude, and grasp of these rock styles were not simply the result of mimicry...to have had the enourmous impact that he had on America, and for it to have lasted as long as it did, and for him to have helped influence as many artists who came after him, he had to have something naturally within him to bring to the table, or else he would have fizzled out after a few hit records like almost all the rest...and whatever he had inside him most likely was there all along, and was there because of his exposure to--and love of--black music and the artists who performed it...and that's not stealing...that's influence...

<< So does that mean it only becomes "stealing" when a certain level of success is reached??...Had Elvis never reached anywhere near the level of popularity that he did, would it STILL have been "stealing'??...If so, then whether or not Elvis would have been as successful had he been black has NO relevance to the argument whatsoever.. >>

Once again, the point is missed by a W I D E margin. Elvis' success directly paved the way other White artists to reap the benefits (not just monetary) and achieve the historical credit, while leaving the majority of pioneers of Rock and Roll as forgotten as yesterday's leftovers. In other words it led to THE BIG LIE that brainwashed people believe and teach throughout subsequent generations for the rest of their lives. This type of bullshit is the reason people should be required to take Black History classes instead of being restricted to a the whitewashed lie of American history. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.


<< Nope, actually it's making the point...if you're really saying that the MAIN reason you feel Elvis "stole" >>

:::::swish::::: That point went over your head too. I never said he stole anything. I said I felt Codshort's position on his assessment of the Elvis situation. I personally don't use the word "stolen" for that, I use a much more ugly term for it. But there are many, many people who use the word "stolen" about this issue and I definitely understand why. The fact that you keep bringing that inaccurate assumption up in the rest of your post makes it irrelevant for me to address the majority of it.

<< nobody here is doubting the profound influence on rock that any of these black musical pioneers have had >>

Damn. If you REALLY believe that you're extremely naive and in the process proving my point.

This type of culture banditry has been happening ALL the time with regard to Black culture (and many other non-White cultures) in a myriad of ways when it comes to the history of White America and what they LOVE to ALWAYS take credit for. If that's hard for you to believe then there is nothing I can say through Prince.org to get you to realize it.

And when I say White America in this instance I'm not talking about every single White person in America.

This is about historical accuracy and the fact that many Black Rock and Roll musicians had careers on life support or left for dead after Elvis and the fact that he paved the way for other White performers. The Black Rock and Roll artists that actually did have successful careers back then compared to those who didn't at the expense of Elvis and people like him is a MUCH, MUCH larger percentage. And that's no exaggeration. Historical accuracy is NOT a privilege, it's a right. Just another right that Blacks have to fight for.

It's funny. When skinheads preach hate in their lyrics of their rock songs they don't realize the irony of what they're doing.

If people aren't learned enough to know what I'm talking about at a deeper level than this has gone to, then I really doubt this is an issue that can be grasped on Prince.org.

BROWNMARK.....that is all


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Nwo that I've read Supernova's remark's I see absolutely no reason to post.