My list continues....



**Britney Spears---Gosh,this girl just cannot sing!! Her voice is just intolerable.Granted,there are MANY other female "artists" who have a very limited vocal range (Jennifer Lopez comes to mind),but nobody irritates me like Britney's voice.

**Backstreet Boys---This is their strategy: when their career looks like it's finally starting to fade,they decide to become "thugs",fighting in a nightclub and getting arrested,or becoming an alcoholic.Good luck,guys!

**Courtney Love---Why does she always look like she's been up all night,drinking,doing drugs,and having sex?? And did y'all hear about how the remaining members of Nirvana are suing her? They wanna release a box set of their recordings,but "Miss Stingy" won't allow it,insisting that SHE should be in charge of the music,since it was HER husband who fronted the band.Whatever!!

**Pamela Anderson---She recently took her ex-hubby Tommy Lee to court,insisting that HE can't be trusted around their children.Nevermind the fact that SHE hangs around with a low-life like Kid Rock,and still feels the need to dress like a slut in public.Yeah,she is a perfect mother,alright!!

**Lil' Kim---Ok,she's proven her point.She likes to have sex.She likes to dress like a prostitute.And she likes to wear long,blond wigs.Now what??

**Ron Jeremy---Yes,I am talking about that famous porn star.You know the one....that fat guy,with more hair on his body than a grizzly bear.Apparently,he has some kinda documentary out on his "career" and he's been everywhere lately,trying to promote it.The funny thing is,he actually thinks he's a legitimate "actor",since he's had a few small roles in a few "real" films.My advice to him....don't give up your day job:)

**Sisqo---Remember his 1999 hit "Thong Song"? After that song blew up,he "went Hollywood",appearing in a few films and hosting an MTV show.But,now that his most recent album has flopped,he returns to his old band Dru Hill,with his tail between his legs.What happended to his fame? Can you say "Gone,gone,gone,gone,gone"?

**Bill O'Reilly---This is that lame Mr.Know It All idiot who appears on the Fox New Channel,with his show "The O'Reilly Factor".Sean Penn recently put him in his place,with a scathing remark about him in Talk Magazine.For that,I am now a diehard Sean Penn fan....lol...

**Arnold Swarzennegar---Can you believe that,just last year,he was seriously considering running for Governor of California? Luckily,he changed his mind and now I can continue living in this great state:)

Gotta agree with Fred Durst. My brother interviewed him for a news station in Dallas. He said Fred was one of the dumbest human beings he'd ever met (and is anyone really surprised?). I just want to know who told that boy he could rap? Vanilla Ice had a more soulful flow!

getwild007 said:

i will second that. i would also include:
a)geri haliwell-if u don't know who she consider yourself very lucky
b)99% of all tv persenters (especially mtv 1s)-u know they just wanted 2 get their face on tv and didn't have enough talent 2 do it any other way eg. singing,acting
c)all boybands

Calhoun and David, I hear what you're saying and I agree with it.

Smiles, Just a test message!!!!

Hey, how do you put that star icon on your posts????

Supernova said:

Nothing "hairsplitting" about my comments, kiddo...lol...it's simple, really...a good actor can inhabit a wide variety of personas and roles...Downey, however, isn't able to do that to a great extent...and you STILL haven't mentioned a role in which he's NOT doin' the blank stare, monotone voiced, rapid-fire delivery approach to his acting...you have to admit that's what he did in "2 girls and a guy", and that's what he did on "Ally McBeal"...his facial expressions RARELY change...he's FAR better at body language expression than facial expression...but even his body language isn't THAT expressive...he's great at playing that TYPE of character, but that doesn't make him a great actor...he's very limited, sorry...



Well, for starters I didn't say it was the "same old thing", in fact I said it was apparently a very good performance since it got an Oscar nomination...and secondly, since neither of us has SEEN it, we can't say either way whether it was or not, can we...lol....at least SEE it before commenting on whether or not I was right or wrong...



YESS!!...lol..They WERE the same person...I told you how they were similar(too similar), so YOU tell me how they were different...at least give a reasoned response as to WHY the two characters aren't at ALL similar...don't just say "sheesh"...lol..

winona ryder: sorry you winona fans, but she acts through her lips, is unable to convey any emotion beyond a few glysirine tears. She seems to think she is helena bonham carter ( great actress, as is kate winslet) winona is crap! except for beetlejuice, where she is o.k. she's not as "deep" as she thinks she is.

wellbeyond

said:Supernova said:

Sure I have mentioned them. Remember I said one movie directed by his father that I couldn't remember the name of, and Chaplain. And I don't at all think he did the same old thing in Two Girls And A Guy. You'd be in the minority with that opinion. His facial expressions never change? We're not watching the same Downey. You know actually that could be said about Al Pacino too, but if you're going to tell me he's not a great actor either because of that.... It's called subtlety, and holding back where most would go predictably over the top. All great actors have that.





I can tell you that to play the main character in a biopic about someone as idiosyncratic (and as well-loved in the movie industry) as Chaplain and to get an Oscar nomination the stiff Oscar voters weren't going to let him just get by with any old type of performance and award him a nomination. My point wasn't that it was great, my point was that it wasn't the same old thing he had previously been doing.





There is no way in heck that the guy in TGAAG had the overall depth and character definitions of the guy in Ally McBeal. TGAAG was a great performance, but his character wasn't nearly as nuanced and developed as "Larry Paul"...at least with Larry Paul you knew that there was something beyond the surface that made this guy's personality what it was, and in successive episodes it was eventually all spelled out for anyone watching. In TGAAG he was just another con man with women who wanted his cake to have and to eat. And a better con-man with women I don't think I've seen when it comes to people in his age range.

Btw, the hairsplitting thing was a joke. I have no idea what Aerogram was talking about when he said it.

ive seen chaplin and robert downey junior is brilliant (imo). he captures the complexity of the character very well. most people know chaplin as the funny looking black and white tramp character. robert downey plays this side of chaplin with such ease. But he is also very convincing in accurately conveying the man behind the myth. an enjoyable and moving film!

im sure you would enjoy chaplin wellbeyond!

Supernova said:

I can't comment on the first one cuz I'm not sure which movie it was...lol..and neither of us can accurately comment on the second one cuz neither of us has seen it..lol I'm not saying that Downey has NEVER played any other type of role, only that the overwhelming majority of his roles have been approached and fleshed out in the same manner...for example, Marisa Tomei wins an Oscar for "My Cousin Vinny"...she was very good in it, and that role is one that she had never done before, or since...but damn near EVERY stinkin' movie she's acted in, she's acted ONE particular way: as the perky-yet-kinda-streetwise pretty girl...the differences between the overwhelming majority of her performances is minimal at best...yet she was still able to pull off an Oscar nod because she was able to pull off a very different acting performance in that ONE movie(and look how long it's taken her to give another worthy performance)...

Downey could easily be said to be the same way...one very good and much different performance in "Chaplan", but 95% of all his other performances are more or less the same.....



I've actually heard this opinion by a few critics before I saw that movie..lol..it was that "Downey is typical Downey, and it's never worked more effectively than in this movie..."...in other words, they were saying that as good as he may be in TGAAG, it's more or less the same type of performance he's been giving his entire career, only with a better script and with a bit more depth to his character than most of his others...Seriously, if you are ever able to take snippets of him in TGAAG and then watch a snippet from Ally McBeal, you'd see almost the EXACT same character in both..lol..



For starters, Al Pacino is able to effectively emote a HUGE range of emotions, far more than Downey has ever been able to do...so Pacino's lack of facial expression isn't as apparent nor as much of a liability as it is for someone like Downey...Secondly, at least Pacino knows WHEN to let go of that "subtlety" and let it rip...Downey RARELY does, he's too controlled...like I said, that type of performance is needed in certain roles, but he brings it to EVERY role...it's no different than the person who brings extreme drama to every role, or a singer who sings every song the same way(hello, Mariah and Whitney..lol)...yes, both can hit all the right notes and hold them and have a range that goes all over a million octaves, but they don't know HOW to approach different songs and lyrics differently...Downey is close to being the same way...one mode, all the time...



Well, for one, the character on Ally McBeal had MONTHS to get across those nuances and depth you speak of, not an hour and a half...so comparing them on that basis is a bit off...a great actor can get that across without words, and in only a few minutes...hell, Jack Nicholson got it across once without even LOOKING at the camera..lol..his back was to the camera, but you could still sense what expressions were on his face, what emotions were going thru his character's mind and heart...I think it was in "Pritzzi's Honor"..it was a hell of a performance, and he did everything that Downey tends not to do--utilize his facial expressions perfectly, vary his dialogue delivery when appropriate, and used his body language to tell the story, not just the words...

By the way, the BEST facial expression/reaction that Downey showed in TGAAG was when his second gf pops out of nowhere to surprise him while he's with his first one...lol...the look on his face was BRILLIANT...he didn't have to say a word, didn't have to do shit...he nailed that one 5 second scene perfectly...and, unfortunately, he does NOT bring that type of approach into his acting very often...

wellbeyond said:

You mean you can't.






I had watched the movie (on TV) before even hearing about it, then I looked it up to see what year it was released and found review after review about saying this was one of his best performances.



We'll agree to disagree.







Not at all. Because there is room for all that in a feature film, just as well as in a tv series if both are written well enough. It's not like a character from a movie has never been as fleshed out, or fleshed out even better in a film as opposed to a character on a TV series for an entire season. Actually I don't think TGAAG is a great movie, and it would have been even less distinguished has it not been for Downey's performance.




I haven't seen that, but Nicholson is an actor who's been portraying Jack Nicholson in MANY movies!

Supernova said:

It WAS one of his better performances...but that doesn't automatically mean that he approached it differently than the others..lol...only that he was more successful this time around...






Yeah, but I'm talkin' 'bout Downey here..lol...if you give him months to flesh out a character, he WILL be able to succeed far easier than if you give him one 90 minute film in which he only has screen time in about 45% of the movie...that's what I meant by you can't compare the two scenarios...a very good/great actor can achieve that depth, subtlety, and layered nuance in their performance in minutes, and will do it consistently, not once or twice a decade...

Think Meryl Streep, who played everything from mouthy white trash in "Silkwood" to mousy Hungarian(or whatever) in "Sophie's Choice", and has done it all superbly, approaching each role so differently that you easily lose grasp of the fact that it's the same woman you saw playing in other movies...or Daniel Day-Lewis, who nailed both the homosexual lover role in "My Beautiful Launderette" and the disabled, troubled loner in "My Left Foot"...both of these guys can act the shit out of a movie, and you truly DO lose track of the fact that they're the same person you've seen so many other times in so many other movies..you don't find yourself saying internally "yep, I've seen them do this before..."...to me, Downey doesn't fit into that catagory of actor at all...not even close...Now, very few actors do...lol...but as much as the media wants to portray Downey and his drug problems as if a giant of the cinema is being felled from chemical dependency you'd SWEAR the man was the next coming of Laurence Olivier...lol




Very, very true...but at the same time, he's been able to go OUT of that "Jack" mode with consistency and success(he was phenomenal in "As Good As It Gets")....that's something Downey has yet to be able to do...

Wait a minute, now. You're bringing up actors who have a much more accomplished track record, and have picked better scripts as career choices. I never said Downey was the best actor in the world, but he is better than any single one of those so-called "brat packers" from the 80s that he started out with. I don't consider him on the level of Streep or Nicholson or Pacino (who I brought up), that's another level altogether. He hasn't made the same smart career choices in films on a consistent basis that they did (and he knows it because he admits it himself), and he has just begun to mature as an actor. That's all I'm saying.

Madonna: Forget that she is a parent and nearing meopause, Madonna never had any talent to begin with other than her ability to shock people. She built her career on pointy cone bras and masturbating on stage. Not to mention her sorry atempt at a Marilyn Monroe look. Her music sucks and so does her poor attitude toward every other artist. Rosie O'Donnel is her best friend because that fat loud mouth is about the only non threatening female Madonna can stand to be around. Everyone else is too cute for her, and she can't stand the comparison, especially since she's been sporting a lot of wrinkles and sagging body parts lately.

Rosie O'Donnel: If you want to be an activist for a good cause, by all means be my guest, but if you want to bad mouth people who own guns because you think it's wrong, then may I suggest shutting the fuck up. I wouldn't need a gun either if I could afford state of the art security for my mansion and bodyguards to carry the weapons for me. Rosie needs to keep her fag ass trap shut. Someone shove a doughnut in her mouth.

Kid Rock: Anyone who makes it seem being white trash is cool has got some serious issues. Then he turns around and mocks pop stars, ha, what a joke. Kid Rock has about as much talent as the people he hates the only difference is he doesn't take a shower.

Alicia Keys: Totally overated, sick of seeing her everywhere, and tired of everyone acting as if she's the next Beethoven. There are a lot of talented piano players out there, just because Alicia is the only young singer out there who isn't bouncing around in a bubble gum tube top, doesn't mean she's the coolest thing since sliced bread. Take a trip to Guilliard University and you'll meet scores of people who are just as, if not more, talented than Alicia. I'm waiting for her 15 minutes to be up.

Destinys Child: Break up, stay together, or jump off a bridge. I really don't give a rats ass. They are insincere and highly annoying. Their clothes is hideous and they should stop pretending that they have this sisterly bond. They're about as close as we are to Osama Bin Laden.

Gwenyth Paltrow: I don't see how I'm the only one that can see through this girls utterly snobbish attitude. She has a rich mommy and daddy who practically bought her fame. As an actress she's about right up there with Mariah Carey.

Rush Limbaugh: They guy is a dick. He mocks people who are poor and sick, then he wants us to feel sorry for him because he's a deaf bastard. Sorry chubby, you asked for it.

Hilary Clinton: What an idiot. Any woman who stays with a cheating husband is a moron. I don't care how strong you think you're being, it's a stupid thing to do and sends a wrong message to women. Not to mention she's about as sexually appealing as an obese Italian woman with a hairy chin.

Supernova said:

And I never said YOU did...lol...but what I DID say was this: "Now, very few actors do...lol...but as much as the media wants to portray Downey and his drug problems as if a giant of the cinema is being felled from chemical dependency you'd SWEAR the man was the next coming of Laurence Olivier...lol...in other words, I said the MEDIA was portraying his problems with drugs as if he's one of the grandest actors to come down the pike in ages simply because he can't keep his nose clean(no pun intended..lol)..and THAT'S why I said I'm tired of Downey, Downey, Downey all the time in the news...he's a good actor, not a great one, and definitely NOT one who's drug problems should be portrayed in such a tragic, dramatic light..it gets tiring, and you start to say to yourself "damn..the man ain't THAT good an actor now...give it a rest.."..

You know, to me he reminds me a bit of River Phoenix....both had their "blank stare" gazes goin' for them...lol...both COULD do more, but usually didn't...River Phoenix was pumped up as well by the media as being the next James Dean or some shit...and I kept thinking "River Phoenix??...He's ok at best 90% of the time, and does very good the other 10%..."...yet he dies of an overdose outside a club in L.A., and suddenly it's the tragic death of one of the best actors of his generation...please...there were DOZENS of actors and actresses who put River to shame...lol...his death was tragic, yes, but it doesn't make his acting suddenly more potent and powerful...and same with Downey...drug addiction is tragic, but he's STILL the same guy who blank-stares and monotones his way thru 85% of his film roles...lol..Hell, even Mad magazine did a spoof of one of his movies several years ago, and kept having Downey's character sporting the same dull look, and acknowledging it in the film!!..lol..



Well, we don't disagree on any of that then...lol...cuz I agree with you....my only point was that he's not the wonderful, great actor that he's being portrayed to be, and I do believe he's being portrayed this way ONLY because of his drub habit...if he were never addicted and never got into trouble, he'd be exactly what you described up above..a maturing actor with a nice amount of talent, far, FAR above most of those "brat packers" he'd be lumped in with in terms of ability, and who has it within himself to be very good on a consistent basis, if not great...but he ain't reached that level yet...

Two words: Sara Hughes

Kobe Bryant

Shaquille O'Neal

My least favorite celebrity of all- Ricky Martin....ugh he makes me head right for the alkaseltzer

Tommy Hilfiger- his clothing is like a prison uniform for patriots

Carson Daly- ugh

others- although not as much hated- Backstreet Boys, Barenaked Ladies, Creed (well I do hate Scott Stapp a hella lot!), Kid Rock, Pink, Beyonce, Britney, ACDC, Beatles, Kiefer Sutherland, Tom Cruise, 98 Degrees, Five, All 4 One, Color Me Badd

OH, I can't forget Tara Lipinski- on her website it says her favorite number is 98- how cheesy is that?

"Yeah, I've gone through lots of eating disorders to reduce my weight to 98 pounds"

"I did really good on my IQ test! I scored a 98!"

"My ideal husband is aged 98- no pregnancy for me!"

Color Me Badd????....How can you be sick of them??...Your post is the first time I've heard their name in like 15 years..lol
[This message was edited Thu Feb 21 23:47:25 PST 2002 by wellbeyond]

Hey- the title refers to celebrities who get on our nerves, and damn it- Color Me Badd STILL gets on my nerves!

wellbeyond said:[quote]

Supernova said:

Ahhh, and that's the your whole beef with him isn't it? It's basically the hype that bugs you. Uh huh.




I think it's tragic when any addict has to constantly struggle with the devil. He just happens lead a public life because he works in the film industry, therefore they're going to hype anything they can if they think it will benefit them. His situation isn't any more tragic than any other addict just because he's a celebrity, but they're all tragic situations.



Before his death I had never heard he even had a drug problem.

A few more....

**Eminem---His "I'm angry at the world" routine is getting tired.When he does interviews,all he does is bitch,bitch,bitch! He has a problem with boy bands.He has a problem with Madonna's last tour.He has a problem with Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera.This guy has a daughter,and a successful career.Isn't that enough to make up for all the things that piss him off??

**Alicia Keyes---I like her,I really do.She's a pretty young lady,with alot of talent.But,damn,she is already over-exposed.Her hit "Fallin" is a nice song,but do we have to hear it a million times on the radio??

**Richard Riordan---For those who don't know,he is the Republican mayor of L.A.,who is now running to be Governor.He's a right-wing conservative,but is now "posing" as a moderate,just to get Democratic and Independent votes.Hopefully,California voters won't be fooled by his transparent "strategy".

**Nicole from "The Real world"---Do you guys remember Nicole,from last season's Real world? She spent most of the season being a total BITCH and cussing her roommates out.Then,when the season is almost over,she finally"sees the light",tearfully apologizes to everyone,and tries to change her evil ways.This drama queen should have been kicked out after the first few episodes!

**Shakira---All hype,no substance.When her album came out last fall,the media were acting as if she was The Beatles! But guess what? The public didn't buy into it,and her CD started speeding down the charts with a bullet.

**P.Diddy---Let's see,where do I begin? Ok,let's start with his sheer stupidity,for bringing a gun into a nightclub and firing it (yes,I know he was acquitted,but we all know what a high-priced lawyer can do...lol...).This causes him to lose his girlfriend,Jennifer Lopez.Meanwhile,his records continue to flop,and finally,his Bad Boy Records label is booted out of Arista.I don't like to knock a guy when he's down,but damn,he brought all this onto himself.And let's not even mention the name change.Or his refusal to pay more child support,forcing his ex to take him to court.