Luv4oneanotha said:

No, it's in pre-production. They're planning to shoot parts 3 and 4 back-to-back. You really think they're going to hold production of a $100-million investment simply so MJ can be in it for 5 minutes?

PS: All the Grand Jury indictment means it that they feel there's enough evidence to go to trial. I have no idea what kind of hoops Sneddon's been jumping through, but a Grand Jury hearing is usually done when they want to keep the hearings private due to the notoriety of the participants (ex: the JonBenet Ramsay case). Thing would have been a media circus if it was a public hearing. It's probably better for MJ that it wasn't.
[This message was edited Thu Apr 22 12:02:08 2004 by VoicesCarry]

VoicesCarry said:

i know what your saying, but its already been shot well most of the 3rd one anywayz shot last summer
MJ shot his part already
their still in post production, Tucker has next year to finish shooting then he has to join
defense as wittness so does his girlfriend, for preperation

Luv4oneanotha said:

Well IMDB lists it as "unknown", which means it isn't in pre-production stages yet according to them. And they're usually pretty accurate. If it had been shot last year, it would be up there, so I'm not quite sure where you're getting your info from. Chan was busy shooting The Medallion and Around The World In 80 Days (a 6-month shoot, from March to September) last year. Additionally MJ isn't listed in the cast, which thus far only has the obvious two returning (Tucker and Chan) since they signed a sequel option several years ago.
[This message was edited Thu Apr 22 12:06:19 2004 by VoicesCarry]

VoicesCarry said:

Well, the Professor Levenson is right. These charges could be considered to compel MJ's handlers to "flip" and "sing." If those guys testify, it may be over. The creepy practices of MJ of sleeping with boys, etc. -- even if they involved no sexual misconduct -- isn't going to play well with a jury.

namepeace said:

I wonder how they'll find an unbiased jury.

"Mr. Percy, do you think a 45-year-old man sleeping in the same bed as little boys etc etc etc is appropriate?"

"No."

"Well, thank you for your time."

What are all those lumps on his torso?

namepeace said:

Did you not read my post in reply of the jackson Cohorts?
Tyson and Amen Are the Key Wittnesses in the case
These Guys Rejected Sneddons Offer of Immunity thus They Were Charged
Problem is These guys have a Breifcase full of Evidence that Will Exonerate them and Jackson
aside from Tucker and His Girlfriend
the Main Problem Is Sneddon Infecting the Jury Pool Sneddon is known for this done on many occaisions
the Main Problem in this case is Jackson like moron Got close to another "strange" Family!
only this time he was more Prepared
My Prediction is Jackson Will most likely get aquitted for the Molestation charge
but will be Fined For giving a minor Wine
but like i said it all depends ...
the only thing im actually Worried about is the D.A. ...
he's capable of ANYthing which is scary

VoicesCarry said:

thats the main problem...

this is What I'd Like to Call "END GAME"
This settles the score!

Ladies And Gents

THE EXODUS HAS BEGUN
[This message was edited Thu Apr 22 12:45:59 2004 by Luv4oneanotha]

LightOfArt said:

don't matter. face it, light: your idol has more or less fucked his career up with this. BIG TIME. you think that he would've learned his lesson from his first go-round in court back 10 years ago, but nope! he's a grown-assed man, but yet n'still he wanna go and hang around kids besides his own.

if he honestly didn't get caught up in his eccentricities and show/talk about his love for children and "sleeping in the same bed is cool!"-type b.s., he wouldn't be in the mess he's in right now. he's made his own bed...now he gotta lie in it.*

none of what the gossip folks/media's sayin about him has lead me to what i just said (hell, the media's bullshitted on 'im for ages, why trust 'em?). i call things as i see 'em, so please don't get tresvanty n'twahney on me on this.













* no pun intended at all there.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Co-Mothafawkin SIGN!
that dude needs to seriously GROW UP
he may have donated to many charities
but C'mon being caught up twice is ridiculous
Im Confident that he will exonerated
but if he was fawkin careful who he hung out with he wouldn't be in this damn mess
AGAIN!

LightOfArt said:

Why should we leave him alone? Would you let it slide if it were just any "average joe" that was being indicted for child molestation? Just because he's famous doesn't mean he shouldn't have to go through what anyone else would in this situation.

Then again, there WAS that whole OJ fiasco, and look how that turned out.....

LightOfArt said:

Don't be getting mad at nobody. You wanna flip somebody, flip your pedophile idol. He shouldn't have got himself into this bullshit. You done paid one family $15-20 million to go away 10 years ago and for what just to end up in the same shit 10 years later. That's his fuckin fault. He should've let the little boys alone the first time. Now his ass is in trouble. Stupid ass.

minneapolisgenius said:

OJ Was innocent...

Jordy Refuses to Testify

Prosecutors may want to bring in the accuser from the 1993 child molestation investigation against Mr. Jackson to show alleged patterns to the singer's behavior, according to a county source.

However, a family friend told the News-Press the young man doesn't want to testify. After speaking with a source close to the accuser, MSNBC reported on Tuesday that he would rather testify only once, presumably at the trial, if one is held.

In 1993, the then-13-year-old refused to speak to grand jurors after his family accepted a multimillion-dollar settlement from Mr. Jackson as part of a simultaneous civil suit, effectively halting the criminal case against the entertainer.

If he refuses again, Santa Barbara County District Attorney Tom Sneddon could decide to subpoena him to testify, But he can not be located at this time.

According to the MSNBC report, the man does not want to testify to preserve his anonymity and is fearful that the District Attorney's Office may have lingering bitterness toward him for not cooperating a decade ago.

Luv4oneanotha said:

Maybe. Maybe not. Investigation was fucked from the beginning, so we'll probably never know!

But statistically, he should be the killer. He had the motive and opportunity. Do I think he did it? Yeah. He hated his wife with a passion. That was a vicious crime that was hate-fueled and nothing else. No way to prove it though. Not now. Either way, no justice for Nicole or Ron.
[This message was edited Thu Apr 22 16:44:15 2004 by VoicesCarry]

Luv4oneanotha said:

Ignore last edit. If MJ had airtight exculpatory evidence, he shoulda dropped it by now to avoid criminal jeopardy. You guys should brace for the worst, because there exists a possibility that he did it. At a minimum, as you said, he was monumentally stupid.

The fact that the DA may have it in for Jackson doesn't mean that Jackson didn't do it.

By the way, a jury will get empaneled in this case. If they can empanel a jury for Timothy McVeigh and OJ Simpson, they will empanel one for the Thriller. And if they are inclined to convict SOLELY because he sleeps with young boys, that will be tragic and yes unfair, but his stupid butt coulda avoided all this by . . . NOT SLEEPING WITH YOUNG BOYS.

[This message was edited Thu Apr 22 16:50:38 2004 by namepeace]
[This message was edited Thu Apr 22 17:03:14 2004 by namepeace]

VoicesCarry said:

you have a point
but it has to be proven Beyound a REAsonable doubt
the Judicial System Has Fawke dover 500 people and sent them up the river for crimes they didn't commit
i Could Believe More then OJ hired someone to kill them
but not even OJ could be that fawkin stupid
THe Police did not do a full out Investigation( oh i wonder why)
same reason thhey didn't do a full out investigation on the extortion charged mj filed in 93
but nobody knows that...
Knowledge is king
with this Current Case im paying Close attension
cause if he cops that beat down rodney king could get off
its pretty fawkin easy to infect the jury pool and send MJ to jail

Luv4oneanotha said:

There is no such thing as an unbiased jury in this case, but it's MJ's own fault for that. Doing TV specials where you detail your peccadillos and discuss your bedtime privileges with young children does not help your cause. He should have been smarter.

VoicesCarry said:

Oh i hear u im not like the other Mj fans that try to sanctify everything the man does
he was a damn moron, but he was honest
and that will be held against him in a court of law
but this guy is sheilded from reality
dude needs a reality check, i hope this trial will do it
or else its just gonna happen again
He needs to start acting like an adult

Jackson Defence To Challenge Indictment?

23/04/2004

Michael Jackson's secret indictment on child molestation charges sets the stage for a unique defense challenge on grounds that extraordinary security measures may have intimidated witnesses and grand jurors.

Authorities blocked sidewalks, hid witnesses and delivered grand jurors to secret locations in buses with blacked-out windows to keep the proceedings secret. In one case, a photographer outside the building where grand jurors were meeting was ordered to delete photos from his digital camera because they revealed too much of the people entering the building.

Jackson attorney Mark Geragos, unable to comment directly because of a gag order, suggested grounds for a challenge as he protested the secrecy before a Santa Barbara judge last week.

"If you believe what is reported, we've got people covered up, wrapped in blankets, put into vans driven around like they're Usama bin Laden's lieutenants and put into a training facility, then admonished in the procedure and then spirited out into the afternoon sun," Geragos told Superior Court Judge Clifford Anderson.

"That has had an enormously chilling effect on the defense in terms of all of the witnesses," said Geragos, who was seeking approval to interview witnesses. He won that approval but little else.

An indictment was returned Wednesday. Authorities would not confirm that had happened even after major news organizations reported it. The document remained sealed and its details unknown.

Sources told The Associated Press on Thursday that 25 witnesses testified.

The indictment was to remain under wraps until April 30 when Jackson is scheduled to be in court in Santa Maria for a pretrial hearing. He could be arraigned on the indictment that day.

The defense has said Jackson will plead innocent as he did to previous charges lodged by the district attorney. The defense could then launch an effort to quash the indictment.

Criminal defense attorney Steve Cron said Geragos' plan of attack is unusual but could draw the attention of an appeals court, if not the trial judge.

Cron said that District Attorney Tom Sneddon would likely argue that the secrecy was designed to protect grand jurors and witnesses from the media.

"It may have been taken a bit too far," said Cron. "They were probably made to believe they were evaluating someone particularly dangerous."

Loyola University law professor Laurie Levenson said a challenge because of secrecy would be "novel" but she said unusual motions seem to go hand-in-hand with high-profile cases.

"It's not a standard motion. And Geragos is going to be pushing the envelope here," she said. "But I've never before heard of a hide-and-seek grand jury."

"We've had grand jury hearings for a United States president in the Monica Lewinsky case," she said, "hearings in the Rodney King (search) cases, but I've never seen anything go off the charts like this. And even with such secrecy you have a leaked indictment."

Attorney Theodore Boutrous, who represents media companies challenging secrecy in the case, said authorities' tactics infringed on the press' First Amendment rights to report on the case for the public.

"It forces reporters into back-alley reporting and that is not good for the public," said Boutrous. "It closes a window on the public's ability to serve as a check on the system."

Source: Associated Press

Personally i thought it was odd to challenge the indictment
but Geragos does have a point
ive never heard of a Hide and seek jury and ive been studying law for 5 years
I doubt he'll be able to quash the indictment but
the judge might Schedual a New Grand Jury
to satisfy both the defense and Prosecution
this grand jury was so secret who knows what was said inside...
true or false..

TurnItUp said:

1) Is it any of your bussiness?
2) How do you know he did it for sure?
3) Get a fucking life

Luv4oneanotha said:

Yeah, sure.....

minneapolisgenius said:

mmm u must be white...
moving on

Luv4oneanotha said:

Grow up.

adoreme said:

don't hate the victim hate the system
why don't you open your eyes...

Luv4oneanotha said:

Assuming that people have an opinion because of their skin colour is basically racism. My eyes are wide open.

adoreme said:

2 words
Affirmative Action

Luv4oneanotha said:

One word. Bullshit.