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Reply #30 posted 04/21/04 9:53pm

LightOfArt

Talentless?? I dont think so
Overrated?? A little bit but not much
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Reply #31 posted 04/21/04 9:57pm

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Luv4oneanotha said:

gman1966 said:




I seriously doubt that Madonna originated those melodies and hooks, that was all producer driven. And you are qouting theses record sells so what!!!! There are ton of artist that have blown Prince out of the water when it comes to record sells and it was even riduculous of you to even mentioned Madonna with Prince. Ridiculous!!!

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u think Madonna could compete Musically with Prince
C'mon now thats like playing football witha retarded person
its not right
Prince doesn't have the fan bass or the exposure to get that kinda sales
Madonna and HER SHOCK value has gotten her fans like transvestites and a whole lotta gay men which is nothing wrong with that but like P says
Your Fan Base Reflects on your music and you


It is even more ridiculous trying justify mentioning Madonna in the same breath as Prince.
I remember ole DavidEye posting a post trying to talk about Madonna's weak ass skill as a keyboardist and drummer, oh he also mention she plays guitar ( about 3 chords!!!) and I said
"DavidEye, please!!!" and he responded writing the "well I never said she was as talented as Prince." Talented as Prince, please she is not even in the same fucking orbit....
Waiting for ole' DavidEye. LOL!!!!
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Reply #32 posted 04/21/04 10:05pm

LightOfArt

Luv4oneanotha said:

VoicesCarry said:



A matter of opinion wink . I think it's much stronger that most of the crap that's on the radio today.

i wouldn't know i don't listen to the radio lol
but that last song she released i think its called "American Life"
Was extremely weak...
and so was that Die another day song
she's bringing those eurpean Dated grooves here


thats my 3rd fav madonna song after like a prayer and la isla bonita
Anyway its just matter of taste a matter of opinion
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Reply #33 posted 04/21/04 10:10pm

PanthaGirl

I commend her on her achievements, no matter how she sought to market herself, whether it be through SEX or FASHION it matters not! She has succeeded and can afford to have the attitude that she carries so well. With her fame and cash who cares what the World thinks!!!
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Reply #34 posted 04/21/04 10:18pm

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Even though I'll agree with the original post of being overrated, MADDonna has some gems that can be found in her pile of crap. The standout classics of her 80's persona are Live to tell, Crazy for You, Like a Prayer and Vouge. The only one song of her 90's era I'll listen to is Ray of Light. Anything from this century should have been flushed long ago.
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Reply #35 posted 04/21/04 11:23pm

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Luv4oneanotha said:

gman1966 said:




I seriously doubt that Madonna originated those melodies and hooks, that was all producer driven. And you are qouting theses record sells so what!!!! There are ton of artist that have blown Prince out of the water when it comes to record sells and it was even riduculous of you to even mentioned Madonna with Prince. Ridiculous!!!

Co-sign
u think Madonna could compete Musically with Prince
C'mon now thats like playing football witha retarded person
its not right
Prince doesn't have the fan bass or the exposure to get that kinda sales
Madonna and HER SHOCK value has gotten her fans like transvestites and a whole lotta gay men which is nothing wrong with that but like P says
Your Fan Base Reflects on your music and you


At one point in time Prince had a fan base that was the same if not greater than Madonna, but what happened there? Prince went off to explore music and Madonna went on to explore pop. I never said Madonna was like or had the same talent as Prince. That would be stupid but she is no less an artist/performer/entertainer. However she does understand her limits i.e. assitance of roducers. Yet no one knocks Janet for her use of Terry Lewis and Jimmy Jam.

Do you go to church with Fred Phelps of Jerry Falwell? Cause that last line is kinda scary. REALLY SCARY coming from a fan of an artist who's early years were spent trying to break down sexual taboos. Remember you're hatered and ignornagce must reflect on Prince.
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Reply #36 posted 04/21/04 11:25pm

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just wanted to say i'm tired and my spelling sucks so please forgive the typos
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Reply #37 posted 04/22/04 1:15am

DavidEye

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I also wonder why so many other celebs who have been in contact with her, cant stand her! There is the George Michael thing, there is the MJ thing "BITCH", dont think prince likes her, i think she used him. Why is this, i think it can safely b said, she is a user and has used people in the music industry to get where she is.



rolleyes This sounds ludicrous coming from a Prince fan.I mean,let's face it,there are MANY other artists who can't stand Prince,including some of his former proteges.Bottom line....when you're a strong,demanding person who knows what you want,you're bound to alienate some people.

As for George Michael and Michael Jackson not liking Madonna,I don't think either of them are in a position to criticize another artist.Remember that old saying about "those who live in glass houses"? wink
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Reply #38 posted 04/22/04 1:25am

DavidEye

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her records are producer driven, oooh she can fish out hot producers to make her record sound "FAshionAble". Take away the great production from her last five records and i don't think there is one decent track.



See,that's the thing,for the most part,Madonna does NOT work with "hot producers" the way so many other so-called artists do.Did you ever hear of Patrick Leonard before he worked with Madonna? Did you ever hear of Mirwais before he worked with Madonna? And William Orbit wasn't exactly a surefire Top 10 producer when Maddy chose him for the 'Ray Of Light' project.Most pop artists (Michael,Janet,J-Lo,etc) simply rely on the hot producers of the moment,so let's at least give Maddy credit for resisting that trend throughout most of her career.
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Reply #39 posted 04/22/04 1:47am

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Every artist is overrated to someone. It just depends on who you're asking. wink

I'm not a big fan of hers anymore (never really was) but it's not fair to dismiss her entirely. She's made some great songs and two classic albums. She ain't gonna be forgotten anytime soon.


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[This message was edited Thu Apr 22 4:26:47 2004 by Cloudbuster]
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Reply #40 posted 04/22/04 2:09am

DavidEye

"I don't think that it's possible to have a longevity of 20+ years if you simply rely on shock value and have no music or skills to back it up with"

clapping clapping clapping clapping

Exactly.It's just not possible for any artist to last in the music business as long as Maddy has,without having real talent.Yeah,shock value and controversy will get you noticed,but in the end,you have to display some real talent to stay in the game.And Madonna has done that.These days,she's singing better than ever,and is making the most "creative" music of her career.
[This message was edited Thu Apr 22 2:10:42 2004 by DavidEye]
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Reply #41 posted 04/22/04 2:19am

DavidEye

Luv4oneanotha said:

gman1966 said:




I seriously doubt that Madonna originated those melodies and hooks, that was all producer driven. And you are qouting theses record sells so what!!!! There are ton of artist that have blown Prince out of the water when it comes to record sells and it was even riduculous of you to even mentioned Madonna with Prince. Ridiculous!!!

Co-sign
u think Madonna could compete Musically with Prince
C'mon now thats like playing football witha retarded person
its not right
Prince doesn't have the fan bass or the exposure to get that kinda sales
Madonna and HER SHOCK value has gotten her fans like transvestites and a whole lotta gay men which is nothing wrong with that but like P says
Your Fan Base Reflects on your music and you



rolleyes and why does it matter what kind of fanbase she has? For the record,I am a straight man and I love Madonna,but I don't see why you bring up the fact that she has alot of gay fans.Prince obviously has alot of gay fans too,but this is a moot point.If I were a recording artist,I would want to appeal to as many different people as possible.
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Reply #42 posted 04/22/04 3:36am

VoicesCarry

Luv4oneanotha said:

gman1966 said:




I seriously doubt that Madonna originated those melodies and hooks, that was all producer driven. And you are qouting theses record sells so what!!!! There are ton of artist that have blown Prince out of the water when it comes to record sells and it was even riduculous of you to even mentioned Madonna with Prince. Ridiculous!!!

Co-sign
u think Madonna could compete Musically with Prince
C'mon now thats like playing football witha retarded person
its not right
Prince doesn't have the fan bass or the exposure to get that kinda sales
Madonna and HER SHOCK value has gotten her fans like transvestites and a whole lotta gay men which is nothing wrong with that but like P says
Your Fan Base Reflects on your music and you


So basically you're saying is because her fan base "has a bunch of queers in it", they don't count? confused

And that is SUCH a bullshit statement, "your fan base reflects on your music and you." You think Norah Jones has 8 million old fogeys listening to her records only? Jeez, give me a break. rolleyes
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Reply #43 posted 04/22/04 3:39am

Cloudbuster

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DavidEye said:

For the record,I am a straight man...


Lies! razz
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Reply #44 posted 04/22/04 3:52am

DavidEye

Cloudbuster said:

DavidEye said:

For the record,I am a straight man...


Lies! razz



Hey,believe it or not,Madonna does have SOME straight fans...lol...
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Reply #45 posted 04/22/04 4:02am

Cloudbuster

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DavidEye said:

Hey,believe it or not,Madonna does have SOME straight fans...lol...


I know. wink
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Reply #46 posted 04/22/04 4:17am

DavidEye

FunkyBrotha said:

What exactly has this woman done to deserve the attention she continually gets! Where is the talent, she is quite possibly the worst singer bar Victoria Beckham



"The whole reason I got into the music business wasn't because I thought I had a spectacular voice.It was because I had something to say" ---Madonna in 1998


The above comment from Maddy brings up an interesting point.She's fully aware that,vocally,she is no Mariah,Whitney or Celine.But in many ways,she's a much more important artist than they are.Yes,they can sing better,but unlike Maddy,they don't stand for anything.They have nothing to say in their music.There's no message,no purpose,no mission they're trying to accomplish and no rules being broken.For this reason,I find Madonna a hell of a lot more interesting and exciting than many of the more vocally gifted "divas" that are around today.
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Reply #47 posted 04/22/04 4:23am

Cloudbuster

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DavidEye said:

FunkyBrotha said:

What exactly has this woman done to deserve the attention she continually gets! Where is the talent, she is quite possibly the worst singer bar Victoria Beckham



"The whole reason I got into the music business wasn't because I thought I had a spectacular voice.It was because I had something to say" ---Madonna in 1998


The above comment from Maddy brings up an interesting point.She's fully aware that,vocally,she is no Mariah,Whitney or Celine.But in many ways,she's a much more important artist than they are.


Without a doubt. At least she's been capable and willing to push a few buttons artistically and politically.
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Reply #48 posted 04/22/04 5:11am

LightOfArt

DavidEye said:

FunkyBrotha said:

her records are producer driven, oooh she can fish out hot producers to make her record sound "FAshionAble". Take away the great production from her last five records and i don't think there is one decent track.



See,that's the thing,for the most part,Madonna does NOT work with "hot producers" the way so many other so-called artists do.Did you ever hear of Patrick Leonard before he worked with Madonna? Did you ever hear of Mirwais before he worked with Madonna? And William Orbit wasn't exactly a surefire Top 10 producer when Maddy chose him for the 'Ray Of Light' project.Most pop artists (Michael,Janet,J-Lo,etc) simply rely on the hot producers of the moment,so let's at least give Maddy credit for resisting that trend throughout most of her career.


Mike produces the songs he writes himself. Oh and Madonna is one of the best female artists alive.She is so theatrical. She is not a great singer but:

1) Do you like her songs?
2) Can she sing them live?

If you answer both "yes", than thats the point!

And yes im a straight guy too biggrin Anyways im not that much of a fan of her but its a bit silly to call her talentless
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Reply #49 posted 04/22/04 6:03am

DavidEye

FunkyBrotha said:

dont think prince likes her, i think she used him.



When,exactly,did Madonna "use" Prince? She didn't get her record contract with his help.He didn't produce or write any of hit singles.
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Reply #50 posted 04/22/04 6:08am

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DavidEye said:

FunkyBrotha said:

her records are producer driven, oooh she can fish out hot producers to make her record sound "FAshionAble". Take away the great production from her last five records and i don't think there is one decent track.



See,that's the thing,for the most part,Madonna does NOT work with "hot producers" the way so many other so-called artists do.Did you ever hear of Patrick Leonard before he worked with Madonna? Did you ever hear of Mirwais before he worked with Madonna? And William Orbit wasn't exactly a surefire Top 10 producer when Maddy chose him for the 'Ray Of Light' project.Most pop artists (Michael,Janet,J-Lo,etc) simply rely on the hot producers of the moment,so let's at least give Maddy credit for resisting that trend throughout most of her career.


WRONG!!!! She is guilty of that when recorded her so called black/rnb-sounding album(yeah right whatever!!!) She enlisted Babyface and Dallas Austin for that album and they were the hottest producers at that time.
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Reply #51 posted 04/22/04 6:13am

DavidEye

gman1966 said:

DavidEye said:




See,that's the thing,for the most part,Madonna does NOT work with "hot producers" the way so many other so-called artists do.Did you ever hear of Patrick Leonard before he worked with Madonna? Did you ever hear of Mirwais before he worked with Madonna? And William Orbit wasn't exactly a surefire Top 10 producer when Maddy chose him for the 'Ray Of Light' project.Most pop artists (Michael,Janet,J-Lo,etc) simply rely on the hot producers of the moment,so let's at least give Maddy credit for resisting that trend throughout most of her career.


WRONG!!!! She is guilty of that when recorded her so called black/rnb-sounding album(yeah right whatever!!!) She enlisted Babyface and Dallas Austin for that album and they were the hottest producers at that time.



Read my post again....I said FOR THE MOST PART she does not work with hot producers.'Bedtime Stories' is an exception.In 1994,she wanted to do a contemporary- sounding R&B album,so she called up the hottest producers.But every album since then has seen her working with mostly unknown and non-trendy collaborators.She's currently working on new tracks with a guy named Joe Henry....I dare you to tell me he's a "hot producer".


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Reply #52 posted 04/22/04 10:11am

VoicesCarry

FunkyBrotha said:

What exactly has this woman done to deserve the attention she continually gets!

I also wonder why so many other celebs who have been in contact with her, cant stand her! There is the George Michael thing, there is the MJ thing "BITCH", dont think prince likes her, i think she used him. Why is this, i think it can safely b said, she is a user and has used people in the music industry to get where she is.

Where is the talent, she is quite possibly the worst singer bar Victoria Beckham, her records are producer driven, oooh she can fish out hot producers to make her record sound "FAshionAble". Take away the great production from her last five records and i don't think there is one decent track.

To top it all she tries anything and everything controversial to sell records, next she'll be devil worshipping at the MTV awards.

Im not saying she isn't a "STAR", i simply feel that the amount of records sold is ludicrous for such little musical talent.


Take away the production from most pop songs and they'd sound like shit, naturally. That's one of the more ludicrous justifications I've read in awhile. Not all songs are meant to be played on the acoustic guitar only, you know.
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Reply #53 posted 04/22/04 11:01am

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FunkyBrotha said:

What exactly has this woman done to deserve the attention she continually gets!

I also wonder why so many other celebs who have been in contact with her, cant stand her! There is the George Michael thing, there is the MJ thing "BITCH", dont think prince likes her, i think she used him. Why is this, i think it can safely b said, she is a user and has used people in the music industry to get where she is.

Where is the talent, she is quite possibly the worst singer bar Victoria Beckham, her records are producer driven, oooh she can fish out hot producers to make her record sound "FAshionAble". Take away the great production from her last five records and i don't think there is one decent track.

To top it all she tries anything and everything controversial to sell records, next she'll be devil worshipping at the MTV awards.

Im not saying she isn't a "STAR", i simply feel that the amount of records sold is ludicrous for such little musical talent.

touched


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Reply #54 posted 04/22/04 11:07am

RanMarJam

Very interesting post. Such differing opinions.

Well, I like her music regardless of how much input she has. Although I would think she'd acquire some sort of musical chops throughout her now 22 year career.
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Reply #55 posted 04/22/04 11:39am

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Most overrated artist ever: Prince. evillol
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #56 posted 04/22/04 11:44am

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FunkyBrotha said:

What exactly has this woman done to deserve the attention she continually gets!

I also wonder why so many other celebs who have been in contact with her, cant stand her! There is the George Michael thing, there is the MJ thing "BITCH", dont think prince likes her, i think she used him. Why is this, i think it can safely b said, she is a user and has used people in the music industry to get where she is.


YOUR COMMENT SOUNDS FULL OF ENVY.
I THINK YOU'RE JUST A LITTLE FRUSTRATED lol
I MEAN, YOU HATE MADONNA AND DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S DONE TO MAKE YOU CREATE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HER????

SHE'S THE QUEEN OF MARKETING, PEOPLE JUST CAN'T IGNORE HER.

WELL, I THINK SHE'S DONE THINGS YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO.

lol lol
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Reply #57 posted 04/22/04 12:21pm

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LightOfArt said:

DavidEye said:




See,that's the thing,for the most part,Madonna does NOT work with "hot producers" the way so many other so-called artists do.Did you ever hear of Patrick Leonard before he worked with Madonna? Did you ever hear of Mirwais before he worked with Madonna? And William Orbit wasn't exactly a surefire Top 10 producer when Maddy chose him for the 'Ray Of Light' project.Most pop artists (Michael,Janet,J-Lo,etc) simply rely on the hot producers of the moment,so let's at least give Maddy credit for resisting that trend throughout most of her career.


Mike produces the songs he writes himself. Oh and Madonna is one of the best female artists alive.She is so theatrical. She is not a great singer but:

1) Do you like her songs?
2) Can she sing them live?

If you answer both "yes", than thats the point!

And yes im a straight guy too biggrin Anyways im not that much of a fan of her but its a bit silly to call her talentless


Boy do you have that wrong!!! Michael Jackson best work was the results of that incredible brutha Quincy Jones and Rod Templeton. "Mike, produces the songs he writes himself" please!!!
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Reply #58 posted 04/22/04 1:28pm

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How can anyone who doesn't make pop records for a record critize how much imput an artist has on a record? so she doesn't produce write compose and perform everything on the record big whoop! it prevents the sound or her art from going stale... prince's wilderness years i may say. 22 years of hits she's gotta have something or she would have faded with cyndi. I think she has always just let the music and her input on it speak for itself... which it has. most everyone gets caught up in the illusion and persona... i don't think prince would have appealed to her to help him fight for his masters if he didn't feel she was an artist of equal stature and abilty.
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Reply #59 posted 04/22/04 1:45pm

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ehuffnsd said:

How can anyone who doesn't make pop records for a record critize how much imput an artist has on a record? so she doesn't produce write compose and perform everything on the record big whoop! it prevents the sound or her art from going stale... prince's wilderness years i may say. 22 years of hits she's gotta have something or she would have faded with cyndi. I think she has always just let the music and her input on it speak for itself... which it has. most everyone gets caught up in the illusion and persona... i don't think prince would have appealed to her to help him fight for his masters if he didn't feel she was an artist of equal stature and abilty.

Just because someone's popular with the masses, doesn't necessarily mean they are putting out good music though. It's easy to please the general population with mediocrity.
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