What exactly has this woman done to deserve the attention she continually gets!

I also wonder why so many other celebs who have been in contact with her, cant stand her! There is the George Michael thing, there is the MJ thing "BITCH", dont think prince likes her, i think she used him. Why is this, i think it can safely b said, she is a user and has used people in the music industry to get where she is.

Where is the talent, she is quite possibly the worst singer bar Victoria Beckham, her records are producer driven, oooh she can fish out hot producers to make her record sound "FAshionAble". Take away the great production from her last five records and i don't think there is one decent track.

To top it all she tries anything and everything controversial to sell records, next she'll be devil worshipping at the MTV awards.

Im not saying she isn't a "STAR", i simply feel that the amount of records sold is ludicrous for such little musical talent.

FunkyBrotha said:

Madonnas Fame Relies on Shock Value
Im not fond of her i think she's talentless but i like you must be my lucky star
Wouldn't even call her an artist
her skills withs inging are obviously overated
basically like you said her albums are producer driven
but if you writhe and moan in a wedding dress on stage singing a song like a virgin ur automatically a star

*Sigh* I'll just wait for Davideye to respond to this at length.

But I must say I really don't see how you can call her talentless considering she writes or cowrites 99.9% of her songs (and she wrote most of the tracks from her first album on her own). She has some very strong songs in her back catalogue.

To deserve the attention she gets, she has made what I (and most critics) consider to be some very good music. I would say the first album, True Blue and Like A Prayer are near-perfect pop records. If you don't like it, that's your choice, but I think a lot of people do.

As for being the second worst singer behind Victoria Beckham, I think that's ridiculous but again that's just my opinion. One listen to "Deeper And Deeper", "Like A Prayer" or "Papa Don't Preach" tells you that most of today's pop stars (Ashitti, Ms. Beckham, Britney Spears et all.) could not even aspire to sing them properly.

I don't think that it's possible to have a longeivity of 20 years if you simply rely on shock value and have no music or skills to back it up with. Your first record might sell well, but then people will tire and move on to the next fad.
[This message was edited Wed Apr 21 15:40:31 2004 by VoicesCarry]

most peeps know my feelings on madonna as an "artist" but calling her the most over rated artist ever is ca-razy! she really did change the face of women in music and for that alone she should be remembered and respected. yes, she absolutely does rely on producers and i don't believe she adds much to her sound...other than money, which buys the producer credit. she had, however, created THE female pop image. there's no denying it. she has remained, quite possibly, the most ingenius marketing person in the business and even with a massive flop of a record, she managed to sell out multiple dates in every city she'll be performing in.

over rated? hardly.

FunkyBrotha said:

Oh, lawd. Well personally, I'm not a fan and have no use for her. Some of her earlier dance records were fun to me, but I'm in no way a fan of that broad's.

Here comes the Madonna brigade to shout us down....




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[This message was edited Wed Apr 21 15:45:46 2004 by Supernova]

Quite simply, she has written great pop melodies. Without that, even the best producers couldn't help out. Seeing her name with another person's name under the song titles in the liner notes is a lot better than seeing 6 people's names... Give her credit for at least taking voice lessons to do Evita and now learning guitar. You gotta admire a woman who goes after what she wants and doesn't take no for an answer. Granted her lyrics aren't always deep, but she does have her moments.

VoicesCarry said:

yes but listen to them live!! cats chorus ring any bells?

kremlinshadow said:

I don't think Madonna sounds all that bad live

VoicesCarry said:

how can she?

Luv4oneanotha said:

Well she does sing live, if that's what you're trying to imply. The Drowned World Tour, Blonde Ambition, Virgin Tour, The Girlie Show were all done live.

VoicesCarry said:

was implying how can she sing bad live
when her singing in general was bad

sorry if offeded NE one
she is just not my Cup O Tea
[This message was edited Wed Apr 21 16:25:20 2004 by Luv4oneanotha]

Luv4oneanotha said:

A matter of opinion . I think it's much stronger that most of the crap that's on the radio today.

VoicesCarry said:

i wouldn't know i don't listen to the radio lol
but that last song she released i think its called "American Life"
Was extremely weak...
and so was that Die another day song
she's bringing those eurpean Dated grooves here

Luv4oneanotha said:

But did you listen to the rest of the album? I hated that song, but there were some really good songs on the AL album. Of course no one heard them because everything is judged by the first single these days.

VoicesCarry said:

your right thats why you put the most impressive song on the album as a single
perhaps if she released 2 or 3 more singles that were impressive i would of gave the whole album a try
but it just didn't grip me

Luv4oneanotha said:

She did, but radio didn't bite. Have you heard "Nothing Fails" or "Love Profusion"?
I like those as well as "Intervention", "X-Static Process", "Mother And Father", "Nobody Knows Me", and "Hollywood". I really really hate "American Life", "I'm So Stupid" and "Die Another Day". "Easy Ride" is merely OK.
[This message was edited Wed Apr 21 16:45:32 2004 by VoicesCarry]

VoicesCarry said:

JUKEBOX WITH A HEARTBEAT!

nah but i'll give it a DL if it grips me perhap i'll check out the C.D.

PS. Your favourite Madonna song, "Lucky Star", was written entirely by Madonna

VoicesCarry said:

ywas poorly written but its just so catchy lol wel the chorus anyway

She's good at what she does and what she does is great. Do you know how important of a record her first album was? Holiday got major play on black radio, while pop embraced Borderline & Lucky Star. A Cecilia Bartoli she is not but she struck a chord with all ages and helped to break down racial barriers. Isn't this what it's all about anyway. So she has movies that I can't bare to watch and albums that I've never purchased, she is still an important figure in pop music. And I highly doubt she used anybody for anything. She may have given up the cooch here and there but her label is in debt so obviously people have been getting paid.

I think people are confusing bitch with being focused and driven. I know this firsthand. I set a goal and nothing or no one is going to stop me from reaching it.

marcdeondotcom said:

I think allmusic captures the significance of her first album well:

Although she never left it behind, it's been easy to overlook that Madonna began her career as a disco diva in an era that didn't have disco divas. It was an era where disco was anathema to the mainstream pop, and she had a huge role in popularizing dance music as a popular music again, crashing through the door Michael Jackson opened with Thriller. Certainly, her undeniable charisma, chutzpah, and sex appeal had a lot to do with that — it always did, throughout her career — but she wouldn't have broken through if the music wasn't so good. And her eponymous debut isn't simply good, it set the standard for dance-pop for the next 20 years. Why did it do so? Because it cleverly incorporated great pop songs with stylish, state-of-the-art beats, and it shrewdly walked a line between being a rush of sound and a showcase for a dynamic lead singer. This is music where all of the elements may not particularly impressive on their own — the arrangement, synth, and drum programming are fairly rudimentary; Madonna's singing isn't particularly strong; the songs, while hooky and memorable, couldn't necessarily hold up on their own without the production — but taken together, it's utterly irresistible. And that's the hallmark of dance-pop: every element blends together into an intoxicating sound, where the hooks and rhythms are so hooky, the shallowness is something to celebrate. And there are some great songs here, whether it's the effervescent "Lucky Star," "Borderline," and "Holiday" or the darker, carnal urgency of "Burning Up" and "Physical Attraction." And if Madonna would later sing better, she illustrates here that a good voice is secondary to dance-pop. What's really necessary is personality, since that sells a song where there are no instruments that sound real. Here, Madonna is on fire, and that's the reason why it launched her career, launched dance-pop, and remains a terrific, nearly timeless, listen.

VoicesCarry said:

Thanks for posting this VoicesCarry

Well, she's one of the great pioneers of selling so much without doing much...that sounds kind of like a diss, but I do like some of her songs anyway and I admire her persona...I guess that's where the line went past that it's just all about the music and talent goes out the window, but I don't take her that seriously as a talented artist either, but how she chooses to conduct her talent is something else.

a good voice is secondary
you gave us justin timberlakes and britney spears
thanx MADONNA!

Do people call anyone who outsells and out does prince overrated and not an artist? Granted Madonna may not know how to play music... there is a funny story from the Erotica sessions when her and Shep Pettibone were going to the record the orchestra part for Bad Girl and neither her nor Shep could transpose music for the conductor so it had to all be done by ear. Does that make Bad Girl any less of a song? I think it's easy to critize someone who focuses on pop and dance, but lets face it both styles are the houses of one hit wonders. 22 years after her first single she is still going.

Madonna's talents are her abilty to come up with great hooks and melodies and her ballads. She was born with "it". That thing that makes people look at you. You know when someone walks in a room and everyone turns and stares? That's it, and she still has it by the bus load. A friend of mine was a dancer at the Red Party in Miami, and the place stopped and turned and looked when she entered the room. It takes alot to get a bunch of drugged up queens to stop dancing. Everyone in the WORLD has an opinon on her, hell the Taliban wanted to arrested her and stone her to death.

She changed the Pop Culture World. One of the first artist to hold an AIDS benifit in 1985. Long before Regan even said AIDS. To this day she is one of the biggest contributors to HIV/AIDS research. Look at how everyone dresses these days she was the first to do that. She made videos an essentail part of the media campaign.

Her stage shows are legendary. Blonde Ambition is copied everywhere you look. She helped spur on the gay rights movement by being the first Mainstream Celebrity to appear on the cover of the Advocate, I'll keep my opinons about that now worthless rag to myself. Now celebrites fight to be scene as gay friendly.

36 Dance #1's, 12 #1's, 35 top 5 hits, only Elvis has more, 40 top 10 hits 52 singles 200million records sold 6 sold out tours 4 grammys

I think she has paid her dues and done the work to get where she is and as she has said in the past, "I know what I want and how to get it, if that makes me a Bitch, ok."

I think most people focus on the image, and that's fine. However, everyone has a favouite Madonna song.

please don't tell me your trying to compare her to prince
...
Lawdy Lawd
"Calms down"

FunkyBrotha said:

Oh, oh don't get me started talking about that no-singing/no-dancing woman!!! Where is the President of the Madonna fan club, DavidEye. can't wait to hear his response.

She is good at bringing what's underground to the mainstream. For instance I remember my Uncle who is gay taking my girlfriend and myself to a gay nightclub and these guys were doing these strange movements and I ask my Uncle. "What the hell are they doing?" and he told me they were vogueing and a year later guess who did the song Vogue.

You have to give Madonna credit, with her limited abilites she is a fucking superstar. When she her perform lives it just astounds me that she is that popular. Now anyone who has been made by video it is Madonna. She is a pure video artist.

ehuffnsd said:

I seriously doubt that Madonna originated those melodies and hooks, that was all producer driven. And you are qouting theses record sells so what!!!! There are ton of artist that have blown Prince out of the water when it comes to record sells and it was even riduculous of you to even mentioned Madonna with Prince. Ridiculous!!!

gman1966 said:

Co-sign
u think Madonna could compete Musically with Prince
C'mon now thats like playing football witha retarded person
its not right
Prince doesn't have the fan bass or the exposure to get that kinda sales
Madonna and HER SHOCK value has gotten her fans like transvestites and a whole lotta gay men which is nothing wrong with that but like P says
Your Fan Base Reflects on your music and you