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PrintableLightOfArt said:[quote] adoreme said: And he definately has a some kind of affect in his songs.. Balls. He's a talented guy but a good pop song is not going to prevent a child from starving or a war from happening. As for the money he donates, that is great but he has enough of the bloody stuff. I can't see him suffering in poverty to save the children. Sorry if I'm being a cow but this stuff about the "saintliness" of MJ really riles me up. He has made some massive mistakes. Whether he is guilt or not the man has put himself in an incredibly compromising position and is hiding behind an army of fans chanting "but he had a bad childhood". It's no excuse. | |
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VoicesCarry said: I don't think you got my point, which was that MICHAEL DOES NOT NEED OUR PITY.
He doesn't need your attacking either. | |
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Seesaw said: VoicesCarry said: I don't think you got my point, which was that MICHAEL DOES NOT NEED OUR PITY.
He doesn't need your attacking either. WHERE did I attack him in this thread? I'm sick and tired of people pulling the race card and blaming all his problems on that. Or saying he had a bad childhood so anything he does is justified. You don't want to hear dissent? Then go to an MJ messageboard.  [This message was edited Wed Apr 21 7:08:19 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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DavidEye said: "Have you ever seen a black person with a milky white skin? I haven't and I think that's one of the reasons he did the surgeries,to adapt to the changes the skin disorder brought with it"
 this is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read on this site.What you're really saying is,since MJ has a disease that makes him look White,he may as well "finish the job" and have multiple surgeries to get rid of all his Black features,right? That way,the process will be complete and he will look totally Caucasion,right?
For the record,MANY black people have that disease and they do NOT get additional surgeries to "adapt" to any changes that the disease causes.And don't forget that MJ started having these surgeries in the early 80s,LONG before this disease *supposedly* affected him. No, I did not mean that. I said one of the reasons. The biggest reason was his past. And I have never said I approved or disapproved of his surgeries and I'm not going to, because it really isn't my business to judge him of what he does with his face. I was only offering my views on this subject when asked why he chose to have the surgeries. In my knowledge, he had his first surgery/surgeries due to an accident on stage in 1979. | |
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he doesn't need our pity
but he sure as hell doesn't need us scrutinizing his everymove to a T as were all damn psycologist we all don't know how much plastic surgery he's had we all assume he's had quite a bit but nothing abnormal but he's generally an insecure person Probably extremely disturbed to the problem is he's surrounded by people who only say yes to him dude needs a serious Reality Check but this dude had a rough childhood, it doesn't matter if you buy it or not touring,performing,Recording at the age of 7 aint Normal for any kid to go through all kids want to do at that age is play and eat alot of candy, aside from being abused from his father, C'mon now Majority of them kids are messed up,Janet 4 1, Latoya Jermaine MJ was traumatized as a child, thus he wasn't able to grow up as if you and I did he had to grow up fast, make business descions etc insecure hated the way he looked (like joe) hated being called big nose, etc is it that shocking that the kid would turn into a disturbed adult? he needs some serious issues worked out | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: For hundreds of years, White folks have held up White women to be the crème de la crème and all of a sudden it’s the epitome of hilarity that someone may want to look like one? Do they laugh this much at the drag queens in Hollywood or South Beach, Miami? No, they celebrate them. But Michael Jackson’s cosmetic changes are simply beyond belief, right? Right.
yes, they do laugh at them. the only people celebrating them are the ones involved in the scene. most of america laughs at drag queens. and drag queens don't LIVE that life. they perform. michael has altered his appearance forever. its his choice but, hey, when i had a lip ring and green hair i had to deal with people staring at me. it was my choice. Since so many White women were falling out and crying over what he offered to the world, it was important to keep him in the limelight as a desexualized, asexual type of man-child so that their love for him would not carry over into the bedroom. This is why every time he grabbed his penis or reached near his crotch, we just skipped over it and saw him as mimicking what grown male baseball players do and for which they are celebrated, not that he meant anything by it or demonstrated that he was some sort of sexual threat.
right, because absolutely NO black men are sex symbals to white women. none.
Yet, a few years ago, there was a huge uproar about Michael Jackson’s grabbing and crotch-feeling in one of his newest videos. But even that would not have been a big deal had it not been for the child molestation charges.
um...check your dates lady, that was PRIOR to the allegations White folks have even left OJ alone for a little while just to pick with Michael Jackson, so you know there is definitely something wrong here.
'a little while'? when was the last time anyone was talking about OJ Simpson? somebody buy this lady a calendar. the signs of a good journalist include objectivity. it's kind of funny, actually, this article. i think mj is innocent of the charges. i think it's a scam for cash and i think the media is taking full advantage. i don't really think it's a race issue...well, at least no tto the extent that this woman is claiming. i mean, if it were brad pitt in the same situation as mj you best believe the media would be all over it just the same. even with my opinion of his innocence, i see why people think he did it. should they judge this case on his behaviour...well, no, not really. the case should be judged on its own merits. but the media doesn't care. they want a story. just like this woman wants to create her own spin. | |
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CalhounSq said: R. Kelly's Doo Doo Butter
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psykosoul said: CalhounSq said: R. Kelly's Doo Doo Butter
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Vitiligo eww thats just nasty lol | |
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Seesaw said: DavidEye said: "Have you ever seen a black person with a milky white skin? I haven't and I think that's one of the reasons he did the surgeries,to adapt to the changes the skin disorder brought with it"
this is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read on this site.What you're really saying is,since MJ has a disease that makes him look White,he may as well "finish the job" and have multiple surgeries to get rid of all his Black features,right? That way,the process will be complete and he will look totally Caucasion,right?
For the record,MANY black people have that disease and they do NOT get additional surgeries to "adapt" to any changes that the disease causes.And don't forget that MJ started having these surgeries in the early 80s,LONG before this disease *supposedly* affected him. No, I did not mean that. I said one of the reasons. The biggest reason was his past. And I have never said I approved or disapproved of his surgeries and I'm not going to, because it really isn't my business to judge him of what he does with his face. I was only offering my views on this subject when asked why he chose to have the surgeries. In my knowledge, he had his first surgery/surgeries due to an accident on stage in 1979. surgeries due to an accident..... GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.....PLEASEEEEE DAMN.... | |
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No no, MJ's FIRST nose job was because he broke his nose. But he did change it also, it was not only an operation to fix it. I'm pretty sure that he has had some unsuccesful nose jobs. His nose hasn't changed in one surgery. I'm sure he has gone trough several fixing operations. Why else would he change it so little that you can't even see the difference? I mean, he has had a couple (probably about...well under 5) of big operations, where he actually changed his nose. The rest is probably just fixing it or something like that...I've heard that he had some troubles after some nose job (don't know whic one) in the early 80s and he had to go to another one almost right after the operation. | |
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Hobzie said: No no, MJ's FIRST nose job was because he broke his nose. But he did change it also, it was not only an operation to fix it. I'm pretty sure that he has had some unsuccesful nose jobs. His nose hasn't changed in one surgery. I'm sure he has gone trough several fixing operations. Why else would he change it so little that you can't even see the difference? I mean, he has had a couple (probably about...well under 5) of big operations, where he actually changed his nose. The rest is probably just fixing it or something like that...I've heard that he had some troubles after some nose job (don't know whic one) in the early 80s and he had to go to another one almost right after the operation.
true... he fell down in encino and broke his nose | |
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adoreme said:[quote] LightOfArt said: adoreme said: And he definately has a some kind of affect in his songs.. Balls. He's a talented guy but a good pop song is not going to prevent a child from starving or a war from happening. As for the money he donates, that is great but he has enough of the bloody stuff. I can't see him suffering in poverty to save the children. Sorry if I'm being a cow but this stuff about the "saintliness" of MJ really riles me up. He has made some massive mistakes. Whether he is guilt or not the man has put himself in an incredibly compromising position and is hiding behind an army of fans chanting "but he had a bad childhood". It's no excuse. Yeah but havent you seen his concerts where he sings heal the world,earth song,we are the world etc? even men cry, girls faint and stuff...Thats what I meant, that he has an affect on people, he can make them burst in to tears...Dont you think people start changing their behaviours when they watch Earth Song video or stage performance? To talk about myself I started feeling more responsible for world peace,nature,future of our children and stuff after MJ | |
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I don't think the case has anything to do with racism, not unless you count the dubious, laughing, sneering Tom Sneddon that is. Twat. |
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oh i heard mj is a nominee for the nobel peace prize? anybody knows anything? | |
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LightOfArt said: oh i heard mj is a nominee for the nobel peace prize? anybody knows anything?
this'll be his 3rd Nomination theyre not gon give it to him cause of the charges but its nice that he was Nominated yet again | |
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Rhondab said: Seesaw said: No, I did not mean that. I said one of the reasons. The biggest reason was his past. And I have never said I approved or disapproved of his surgeries and I'm not going to, because it really isn't my business to judge him of what he does with his face. I was only offering my views on this subject when asked why he chose to have the surgeries. In my knowledge, he had his first surgery/surgeries due to an accident on stage in 1979. surgeries due to an accident..... GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.....PLEASEEEEE DAMN.... What a nice bunch of people here, always replying politely to my posts. Anyway -- According to biographies I've read (I am not saying 100% of them are true), he indeed had his first nose job because of an accident. I don't remember where or when it exactly was and if it was just the first surgery but I don't think 100% of the stuff I've read are false either. | |
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Seesaw said: And have you ever seen a black person with a milky white skin? I haven't, and I think that's one of the reasons he did the surgeries, to adapt to the changes the skin disorder brought with. He's also an artist and an extreme perfectionist, so if he feels like changing his apperiance then be it. It shouldn't be none of our business anyway.
Okay...well...Dr. Gregory Williams (President of City College, NYC and author of one of my favorite books) considers himself African-American.... 
As did Walter White (Executive Secretary of the NAACP, 1931-55)...okay, he might've said "Negro." 
Re: adapting "to the changes the skin disorder brought him..." It's Darwin thing.... I wouldn't understand....  | |
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Seesaw said:[quote] Rhondab said: surgeries due to an accident..... GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.....PLEASEEEEE DAMN.... What a nice bunch of people here, always replying politely to my posts. Anyway -- According to biographies I've read (I am not saying 100% of them are true), he indeed had his first nose job because of an accident. I don't remember where or when it exactly was and if it was just the first surgery but I don't think 100% of the stuff I've read are false either.[/quote | |
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On the subject of nose jobs.... Just think about every occasion you saw MJ wearing a surgical mask in public.... Fear of contamination or air pollutants (or whatever the excuse was at the time)? Yeah, right. | |
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LightOfArt said: ...Dont you think people start changing their behaviours when they watch Earth Song video or stage performance?
No...but Im likely to change the channel...  "...all you need ...is justa touch...of mojo hand....." | |
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UptownDeb said: On the subject of nose jobs.... Just think about every occasion you saw MJ wearing a surgical mask in public.... Fear of contamination or air pollutants (or whatever the excuse was at the time)? Yeah, right.
he wears a surgical mask to sheild his face from the sun having vitiligo means being in ultraviolate rays is cancerous so he has to protect himself via unbrella, surgical mask,protective lotion,fedora etc | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: having vitiligo means being in ultraviolate rays is cancerous so he has to protect himself via unbrella, surgical mask,protective lotion,fedora etc or... he just wants to delay the appearance of aging. nothing wrong with that either. | |
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SassyFras said: Luv4oneanotha said: having vitiligo means being in ultraviolate rays is cancerous so he has to protect himself via unbrella, surgical mask,protective lotion,fedora etc or... he just wants to delay the appearance of aging. nothing wrong with that either. you can do that with a face lift and if he gets one of those he'll be farting out of his nose | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: SassyFras said: or... he just wants to delay the appearance of aging. nothing wrong with that either. you can do that with a face lift and if he gets one of those he'll be farting out of his nose
"One more face lift on that one and he'll have a beard". [This message was edited Wed Apr 21 15:44:49 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: UptownDeb said: On the subject of nose jobs.... Just think about every occasion you saw MJ wearing a surgical mask in public.... Fear of contamination or air pollutants (or whatever the excuse was at the time)? Yeah, right.
he wears a surgical mask to sheild his face from the sun having vitiligo means being in ultraviolate rays is cancerous so he has to protect himself via unbrella, surgical mask,protective lotion,fedora etc That's not completely true - he started wearing the surgical mask given to him by his dentist after dental work, and grew to like the 'privacy' from the paparazzi it gave him (and obviously it came in handy when he had the cleft and nosejob(s). |
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kremlinshadow said: Luv4oneanotha said: he wears a surgical mask to sheild his face from the sun having vitiligo means being in ultraviolate rays is cancerous so he has to protect himself via unbrella, surgical mask,protective lotion,fedora etc That's not completely true - he started wearing the surgical mask given to him by his dentist after dental work, and grew to like the 'privacy' from the paparazzi it gave him (and obviously it came in handy when he had the cleft and nosejob(s). what privacy does that give him? from my research its for health reasons [This message was edited Wed Apr 21 16:14:15 2004 by Luv4oneanotha] | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: kremlinshadow said: That's not completely true - he started wearing the surgical mask given to him by his dentist after dental work, and grew to like the 'privacy' from the paparazzi it gave him (and obviously it came in handy when he had the cleft and nosejob(s). what privacy does that give him? from my research its for health reasons [This message was edited Wed Apr 21 16:14:15 2004 by Luv4oneanotha] Dude, Michael said himself in his book that he started wearing them for privacy reasons. | |
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