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Thread started 04/14/04 8:48am

VoicesCarry

Michael Jackson Abuse Allegation #3

LOS ANGELES - Detectives are investigating a new allegation involving a person who claims to have been abused by pop star Michael Jackson in the late 1980s, a police spokeswoman said.

Jackson pleaded innocent to child molestation charges involving another alleged victim in Santa Barbara County. A pretrial hearing in that case is scheduled for April 30.

On Tuesday, Jackson attorney Benjamin Brafman said he was unaware of the Los Angeles Police Department investigation of the new allegation.

"We have never been informed by the LAPD of any investigation that they are conducting of Michael Jackson," he said. "I would point out that since I have been involved in this case I have addressed literally dozens of completely baseless rumors on a daily basis, and this appears to be just another one of them."

The Los Angeles County district attorney's office asked the LAPD to investigate the allegations a month ago, said Mary Grady, commander of the department's public information office.

"The victim alleges the acts took place in the city of Los Angeles in the late 1980s," Grady said.

The allegations are being investigated by the Child Protective Section of the department's Juvenile Division. Grady declined to elaborate on such details as the age or sex of the alleged victim.

Jackson lawyer Mark Geragos said he had looked into the allegations and believes they were prompted by "a money-hungry lawyer trying to shake down my client through the use of unfounded, scurrilous allegations."

He added, "As soon as we connect the dots, I plan on addressing this in a court of law."

Los Angeles district attorney's spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons declined comment.

"This is a matter under investigation by the LAPD," she said. "We are not the investigative agency."

Santa Barbara County prosecutors did not immediately return calls for comment Tuesday evening.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled last year that a 1994 California law retroactively extending the statute of limitations on old molestation cases was unconstitutional, effectively nullifying any charges filed in child sex abuse cases that occurred before Jan. 1, 1988.

Also Tuesday, an appeals court rejected a request by several news agencies to lift a gag order placed on the parties in the Santa Barbara County case by Superior Court Judge Rodney S. Melville.

Attorney Theodore Boutrous, representing news organizations including The Associated Press, said in a filing last week before the state Court of Appeals that the order imposed unconstitutional "prior restraint" on attorneys and potential witnesses. He asked that it be immediately lifted.

Jackson and his attorneys also oppose the order on grounds that it blocks their ability to address false rumors and news reports.
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Reply #1 posted 04/14/04 9:27am

Cloudbuster

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Reply #3 posted 04/15/04 1:48am

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dismissed as fake!!!
there are upto a dozen of these kinds of allegations daily according to his lawyers, only this one got into the hands of none other than Gloria Allred - who saw it as another of her missions in life - says it all!!
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Reply #4 posted 04/15/04 5:10am

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This came about through Carole Lieberman and Gloria Allred. If your an MJ fan, you already know about these 2 hags.
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Reply #5 posted 04/15/04 5:18am

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what annoys me about this type of crap is that yesterday in england this was all over the radio news and tv news, but now it is confirmed as rubbish these news channels wont report that it was false!!!
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Reply #6 posted 04/15/04 6:30am

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dazzjped said:

what annoys me about this type of crap is that yesterday in england this was all over the radio news and tv news, but now it is confirmed as rubbish these news channels wont report that it was false!!!


Yep! Fuckin' wankers. mad
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Reply #7 posted 04/15/04 10:37pm

Luv4oneanotha

Cloudbuster said:

dazzjped said:

what annoys me about this type of crap is that yesterday in england this was all over the radio news and tv news, but now it is confirmed as rubbish these news channels wont report that it was false!!!


Yep! Fuckin' wankers. mad

you know its sad how shady the Media Is, but thats with everybody a tad eccentric
they've dne it to P many a times
but i know some of yall say MJ needs to stop being the victim
but he really is! pu t yourselves in his shoes
when you turn on the T.V. people are mouthing off to you
you can't read a paper without something being said about you
you go outside and reporters haggle you
you can't go anywhere
shyt i'd hideout in a place like neverland too
and this goes Day By Day
im sure by now he's learned to brush it off by now
but thats some hardshyt to go through on a daily basis
its like thinking everybody in the world hates you
its not even about the allegations
its either the way he looks
the way he acts,speaks
that kind of stress makes most Popstars shoot a pelt in the head
hell i would
He's got all that money
and nearly no happiness, his kids thats about it
he's selfdestructive person
but were to blame for that
We created the Michael Jackson of today
if you ever bought a j5 or mj C.d. your responsible
we are the ones who created the monster that is him
but then whos the real monster?
the creation?
or the creator?
you decide...
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Reply #8 posted 04/15/04 10:59pm

PanthaGirl

Luv4oneanotha said:

you know its sad how shady the Media Is, but thats with everybody a tad eccentric
they've dne it to P many a times
but i know some of yall say MJ needs to stop being the victim
but he really is! pu t yourselves in his shoes
when you turn on the T.V. people are mouthing off to you
you can't read a paper without something being said about you
you go outside and reporters haggle you
you can't go anywhere
shyt i'd hideout in a place like neverland too
and this goes Day By Day
im sure by now he's learned to brush it off by now
but thats some hardshyt to go through on a daily basis
its like thinking everybody in the world hates you
its not even about the allegations
its either the way he looks
the way he acts,speaks
that kind of stress makes most Popstars shoot a pelt in the head
hell i would
He's got all that money
and nearly no happiness, his kids thats about it
he's selfdestructive person
but were to blame for that
We created the Michael Jackson of today
if you ever bought a j5 or mj C.d. your responsible
we are the ones who created the monster that is him
but then whos the real monster?
the creation?
or the creator?
you decide...


clapping thumbs up!
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Reply #9 posted 04/16/04 1:26am

DavidEye

disbelief I don't know if these latest allegations are true,but I think it just shows how far MJ has fallen.It's scary to think what else might come out when the trial begins.Today on one of our local radio stations,there was a report that an ex-lover of Liberace (!!) is claiming that he was MJ's lover in the 80s,and that he will testify in the upcoming case.This could be total bullshit,but still,it illustrates how Michael's life has spiraled out of control.He's always in the news for NON- musical things.While Prince and Madonna are selling out arenas and concentrating on their careers and their music,MJ is only getting attention for stuff like THIS.It's just so sad and tragic.
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DavidEye said:

Michael's life has spiraled out of control.He's always in the news for NON- musical things.While Prince and Madonna are selling out arenas and concentrating on their careers and their music,MJ is only getting attention for stuff like THIS.It's just so sad and tragic.


That's all gonna change soon. I'm very confident about that. All he needs to do is be rid of his current troubles and show the world his talent again. When was the last time the world got to see his talent?
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Reply #11 posted 04/16/04 7:49am

Luv4oneanotha

WildStyle said:

DavidEye said:

Michael's life has spiraled out of control.He's always in the news for NON- musical things.While Prince and Madonna are selling out arenas and concentrating on their careers and their music,MJ is only getting attention for stuff like THIS.It's just so sad and tragic.


That's all gonna change soon. I'm very confident about that. All he needs to do is be rid of his current troubles and show the world his talent again. When was the last time the world got to see his talent?

95?
i can barely remember
Invincible was rather downtrodded for me
so im waitin on another C.D.
these allegations were dismissed as false
an 18 year kid said mj molested him in 88
basically means he was 2 when mj molested him
Cops dropped the lead
hoax
your gonna geta lot of hoaxes and false reports
in 93 theyre were hundreds
all false
as for the liberace post
Liberace's Ex allegedly took a Polygraph test from a tabloid
lolol that actually made me laugh
his authur says that Liberace's Ex was a snitch for a Mobster for drugdealing
mobster was aquitted
and the leads went nowhere
Basically He's Broke now, and is dire need of cash
thus why he sold the story to a tabloid
least thats what the authur of his book says
The truth is He was very attracted to mj in the 80's
and so their was alot of sexual energy
aint the first time mj was approached by a male celeb
andy warhol took mj to studio 54 as a date without mj knowing it
when mj found out he broke out with diana ross lol
saying "I didn't know he was gay" cracked me up
[This message was edited Fri Apr 16 7:56:01 2004 by Luv4oneanotha]
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ThreadBare

Luv4oneanotha said:

he's selfdestructive person
but we're to blame for that
We created the Michael Jackson of today
if you ever bought a j5 or mj C.d. you're responsible
we are the ones who created the monster that is him


Explain, please, how my buying Thriller when I was 10 led an adult to hack his face, bleach his skin and (possibly) to molest little boys.
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Reply #13 posted 04/16/04 10:44am

VoicesCarry

ThreadBare said:

Luv4oneanotha said:

he's selfdestructive person
but we're to blame for that
We created the Michael Jackson of today
if you ever bought a j5 or mj C.d. you're responsible
we are the ones who created the monster that is him


Explain, please, how my buying Thriller when I was 10 led an adult to hack his face, bleach his skin and (possibly) to molest little boys.


For the same reason that watching a Marilyn Monroe movie made her fuck the president and the attorney general, do Nembutal and chloral hydrate up the wazoo and die at age 36. We are responsible for her stupid decisions because we GAVE her that money. Lost little girl routine! No personal responsibility! And all because you have fans. My, isn't that convenient.

/seriously doesn't know what Luv4oneanotha is babbling on about, but has heard this argument used to defend idiotic actions before
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Reply #14 posted 04/16/04 11:05am

Luv4oneanotha

VoicesCarry said:

ThreadBare said:



Explain, please, how my buying Thriller when I was 10 led an adult to hack his face, bleach his skin and (possibly) to molest little boys.


For the same reason that watching a Marilyn Monroe movie made her fuck the president and the attorney general, do Nembutal and chloral hydrate up the wazoo and die at age 36. We are responsible for her stupid decisions because we GAVE her that money. Lost little girl routine! No personal responsibility! And all because you have fans. My, isn't that convenient.

/seriously doesn't know what Luv4oneanotha is babbling on about, but has heard this argument used to defend idiotic actions before
[This message was edited Fri Apr 16 10:46:23 2004 by VoicesCarry]

Coughs
C.I.A.

mmm besides that
well its your fault for believe garbage that gullable simpletons
you've heard the argument , because its the truth
goes for every Celeb
He's the creation of a life of fame,abuse,and ongoing harrassment from agitataters and fans alike
ongoing criticism
We all make mistakes
but when he makes a mistake its a "big thing"
when his right or does something right, that doesn't make front headlines
a good porition of his constituitional rights are taken away
when he called matolla The Devil
his freedom of speech was being downsided by EVERYBODY
giving him excuses, Saying it was uncalled for or pulling the race car
nobody can take him seriously etc
few monthes later Matolla Resigned
Nobody said shyt
in some small way we all hate Michael Jackson because of what he use to be and what he is now
Poking fun at a person that is not in a "Normal" mental state
is not funny nor right just makes it worse
the dude has some serious issues, some serious demons
just leave him alone
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Reply #15 posted 04/16/04 11:15am

VoicesCarry

Luv4oneanotha said:

VoicesCarry said:



For the same reason that watching a Marilyn Monroe movie made her fuck the president and the attorney general, do Nembutal and chloral hydrate up the wazoo and die at age 36. We are responsible for her stupid decisions because we GAVE her that money. Lost little girl routine! No personal responsibility! And all because you have fans. My, isn't that convenient.

/seriously doesn't know what Luv4oneanotha is babbling on about, but has heard this argument used to defend idiotic actions before
[This message was edited Fri Apr 16 10:46:23 2004 by VoicesCarry]

Coughs
C.I.A.

mmm besides that
well its your fault for believe garbage that gullable simpletons
you've heard the argument , because its the truth
goes for every Celeb
He's the creation of a life of fame,abuse,and ongoing harrassment from agitataters and fans alike
ongoing criticism
We all make mistakes
but when he makes a mistake its a "big thing"
when his right or does something right, that doesn't make front headlines
a good porition of his constituitional rights are taken away
when he called matolla The Devil
his freedom of speech was being downsided by EVERYBODY
giving him excuses, Saying it was uncalled for or pulling the race car
nobody can take him seriously etc
few monthes later Matolla Resigned
Nobody said shyt
in some small way we all hate Michael Jackson because of what he use to be and what he is now
Poking fun at a person that is not in a "Normal" mental state
is not funny nor right just makes it worse
the dude has some serious issues, some serious demons
just leave him alone


*Snicker*. My new favourite excuse: "I'm just the product of the people who love me too much or otherwise annoy me and the terrible job I have." If he hates it so much he can walk away from it at any time. Like Greta Garbo. Get up one day and say "I don't feel like doing this anymore" and retire and just disappear. That is how life is. You truly dislike where you're at, you do something to change your situation. But the bottom line is that most celebs are in it for the fame and the money as well as the work, and Michael is one of them. He thrives on it. You've seen him in public, you know what I mean.

This bullshit "HE WAS A MONSTER MADE BY THE FANS!" tripe has never sat well with me. As if he is cleared of all personal responsibility because of his chosen career path. You become a pop star, well, what do you expect? Learn how to handle it or get out.

I admire celebrities who DON'T bitch about the "trials and tribulations" of fame. They don't like it they can always leave.

And as for the Mottola thing, give me a break dude. If your'e pissed off with a boss you don't rent a double decker bus, park it in front of the guy's office and heckle him. OR schedule a press conference and call him "very very....devilish". Unless you want to be laughed at, ok? And how did that violate his freedom of speech rights, exactly? Holding a press conference to bitch out your scheming boss smacks of a libel suit waiting to happen. Sony showed restraint by not suing him. I think they were probably too busy giggling.

Mottola resigned several YEARS later (last year, in fact), but yeah, personally I wouldn't have spent $5million/video so I could promote a fading superstar who's just produced an underperforming album (the most expensive in history, no less) and whose royalty rates are the highest in the business. Mottola made a SOUND business decision.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 16 11:28:59 2004 by VoicesCarry]
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Reply #16 posted 04/16/04 11:31am

Luv4oneanotha

VoicesCarry said:

Luv4oneanotha said:


Coughs
C.I.A.

mmm besides that
well its your fault for believe garbage that gullable simpletons
you've heard the argument , because its the truth
goes for every Celeb
He's the creation of a life of fame,abuse,and ongoing harrassment from agitataters and fans alike
ongoing criticism
We all make mistakes
but when he makes a mistake its a "big thing"
when his right or does something right, that doesn't make front headlines
a good porition of his constituitional rights are taken away
when he called matolla The Devil
his freedom of speech was being downsided by EVERYBODY
giving him excuses, Saying it was uncalled for or pulling the race car
nobody can take him seriously etc
few monthes later Matolla Resigned
Nobody said shyt
in some small way we all hate Michael Jackson because of what he use to be and what he is now
Poking fun at a person that is not in a "Normal" mental state
is not funny nor right just makes it worse
the dude has some serious issues, some serious demons
just leave him alone


*Snicker*. My new favourite excuse: "I'm just the product of the people who love me too much or otherwise annoy me and the terrible job I have." If he hates it so much he can walk away from it at any time. Like Greta Garbo. Get up one day and say "I don't feel like doing this anymore" and retire and just disappear. That is how life is. You truly dislike where you're at, you do something to change your situation. But the bottom line is that most celebs are in it for the fame and the money as well as the work, and Michael is one of them. He thrives on it. You've seen him in public, you know what I mean.

This bullshit "HE WAS A MONSTER MADE BY THE FANS!" tripe has never sat well with me. As if he is cleared of all personal responsibility because of his chosen career path. You become a pop star, well, what do you expect? Learn how to handle it or get out.

I admire celebrities who DON'T bitch about the "trials and tribulations" of fame. They don't like it they can always leave.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 16 11:18:51 2004 by VoicesCarry]

who's to say he doesn't like what he's doing?
His Predilection for Music is uncanny
Greta Isn't an artist by my standards so i wouldn't use her as an Example
thats Like P retiring because of all the stress he endured in the 90's
P complained bytched and moan in the begginning but he just learned to ignore it
thats what u got to do
then again P didn't get it as bad as MJ did
Your a Fool if you can't see who mj was craeated by
all u gotta do is look at his History
Once you've done music since you were 5 u can just drop it and go become a vet disapear somewhere
EVERYBODY KNOWS HIM
where's he gonna go?
it won't do much
20 % of of his affinity for Plastic Surgery was to Satisfy Fans and the public
it backfired on him, with a vengence
The Choises you make dictate the life you lead
Mj didn't have many choices,
the man was born into stardom
you can't seapk for him
not even i
unless you walk a mile in his shoes
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VoicesCarry

Luv4oneanotha said:

VoicesCarry said:



*Snicker*. My new favourite excuse: "I'm just the product of the people who love me too much or otherwise annoy me and the terrible job I have." If he hates it so much he can walk away from it at any time. Like Greta Garbo. Get up one day and say "I don't feel like doing this anymore" and retire and just disappear. That is how life is. You truly dislike where you're at, you do something to change your situation. But the bottom line is that most celebs are in it for the fame and the money as well as the work, and Michael is one of them. He thrives on it. You've seen him in public, you know what I mean.

This bullshit "HE WAS A MONSTER MADE BY THE FANS!" tripe has never sat well with me. As if he is cleared of all personal responsibility because of his chosen career path. You become a pop star, well, what do you expect? Learn how to handle it or get out.

I admire celebrities who DON'T bitch about the "trials and tribulations" of fame. They don't like it they can always leave.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 16 11:18:51 2004 by VoicesCarry]

who's to say he doesn't like what he's doing?
His Predilection for Music is uncanny
Greta Isn't an artist by my standards so i wouldn't use her as an Example
thats Like P retiring because of all the stress he endured in the 90's
P complained bytched and moan in the begginning but he just learned to ignore it
thats what u got to do
then again P didn't get it as bad as MJ did
Your a Fool if you can't see who mj was craeated by
all u gotta do is look at his History
Once you've done music since you were 5 u can just drop it and go become a vet disapear somewhere
EVERYBODY KNOWS HIM
where's he gonna go?
it won't do much
20 % of of his affinity for Plastic Surgery was to Satisfy Fans and the public
it backfired on him, with a vengence
The Choises you make dictate the life you lead
Mj didn't have many choices,
the man was born into stardom
you can't seapk for him
not even i

unless you walk a mile in his shoes


Oh, really? But you were.

Anyway, there are many cases of major stars who just quit, and lived their lives on their terms: Greta Garbo, Doris Day, Jean Arthur and so on. The excuse "MJ IS A STAR AND CAN'T QUIT" is ridiculous. It is the same as saying "YOU'RE BORN IN THE GHETTO, YOU STAY IN THE GHETTO." Get real.
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Luv4oneanotha said:

VoicesCarry said:



For the same reason that watching a Marilyn Monroe movie made her fuck the president and the attorney general, do Nembutal and chloral hydrate up the wazoo and die at age 36. We are responsible for her stupid decisions because we GAVE her that money. Lost little girl routine! No personal responsibility! And all because you have fans. My, isn't that convenient.

/seriously doesn't know what Luv4oneanotha is babbling on about, but has heard this argument used to defend idiotic actions before
[This message was edited Fri Apr 16 10:46:23 2004 by VoicesCarry]

Coughs
C.I.A.

mmm besides that
well its your fault for believe garbage that gullable simpletons
you've heard the argument , because its the truth
goes for every Celeb
He's the creation of a life of fame,abuse,and ongoing harrassment from agitataters and fans alike
ongoing criticism
We all make mistakes
but when he makes a mistake its a "big thing"
when his right or does something right, that doesn't make front headlines
a good porition of his constituitional rights are taken away
when he called matolla The Devil
his freedom of speech was being downsided by EVERYBODY
giving him excuses, Saying it was uncalled for or pulling the race car
nobody can take him seriously etc
few monthes later Matolla Resigned
Nobody said shyt
in some small way we all hate Michael Jackson because of what he use to be and what he is now
Poking fun at a person that is not in a "Normal" mental state
is not funny nor right just makes it worse
the dude has some serious issues, some serious demons
just leave him alone

nutty
"I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven
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Reply #19 posted 04/16/04 11:59am

VoicesCarry

If there is anyone that helped to mould Michael, it is Joe Jackson, who pimped his entire family extensively and early in their childhoods.
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Reply #20 posted 04/16/04 12:00pm

Luv4oneanotha

VoicesCarry said:

Luv4oneanotha said:


who's to say he doesn't like what he's doing?
His Predilection for Music is uncanny
Greta Isn't an artist by my standards so i wouldn't use her as an Example
thats Like P retiring because of all the stress he endured in the 90's
P complained bytched and moan in the begginning but he just learned to ignore it
thats what u got to do
then again P didn't get it as bad as MJ did
Your a Fool if you can't see who mj was craeated by
all u gotta do is look at his History
Once you've done music since you were 5 u can just drop it and go become a vet disapear somewhere
EVERYBODY KNOWS HIM
where's he gonna go?
it won't do much
20 % of of his affinity for Plastic Surgery was to Satisfy Fans and the public
it backfired on him, with a vengence
The Choises you make dictate the life you lead
Mj didn't have many choices,
the man was born into stardom
you can't seapk for him
not even i

unless you walk a mile in his shoes


Oh, really? But you were.

Anyway, there are many cases of major stars who just quit, and lived their lives on their terms: Greta Garbo, Doris Day, Jean Arthur and so on. The excuse "MJ IS A STAR AND CAN'T QUIT" is ridiculous. It is the same as saying "YOU'RE BORN IN THE GHETTO, YOU STAY IN THE GHETTO." Get real.

your gonna compare Greta Garbo, Dorris Day, jean arthur to Michael Jackson?
not of the quality of but in star status?
Please,
I as an artist will never quit music i can't do its impossible for me, it will be the death of me
goes for a majority of Artist wouldn't, i just hope to god im never as famous like he is
i'd become like other destructive artist and take drugs and drink
you just can't up & quit
you just deal with it and do your thing
unfortunately and fortunately im not MJ cause i would be doing massive of amounts of coke,
maybe its something only an artist understands ...
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minneapolisgen
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Luv4oneanotha said:

i just hope to god im never as famous like he is....

So do we.....so do we. pray
"I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven
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Reply #22 posted 04/16/04 12:35pm

VoicesCarry

Luv4oneanotha said:

VoicesCarry said:



Oh, really? But you were.

Anyway, there are many cases of major stars who just quit, and lived their lives on their terms: Greta Garbo, Doris Day, Jean Arthur and so on. The excuse "MJ IS A STAR AND CAN'T QUIT" is ridiculous. It is the same as saying "YOU'RE BORN IN THE GHETTO, YOU STAY IN THE GHETTO." Get real.

your gonna compare Greta Garbo, Dorris Day, jean arthur to Michael Jackson?
not of the quality of but in star status?
Please,
I as an artist will never quit music i can't do its impossible for me, it will be the death of me
goes for a majority of Artist wouldn't, i just hope to god im never as famous like he is
i'd become like other destructive artist and take drugs and drink
you just can't up & quit
you just deal with it and do your thing
unfortunately and fortunately im not MJ cause i would be doing massive of amounts of coke,
maybe its something only an artist understands ...


Greta Garbo is more of a legend than MJ ever will be. I know she was a star in the '20s and '30s (before your time) but she was bigger than he was. I know that it seems odd, but the fact is (at least in the film industry), stars have much much more artistic freedom and monetary recompensation than they did back then. You were under contract to a studio and did what they wanted, not what you wanted. You were a slave. Garbo helped to reform that system; in her business savvy, she was comparable to Madonna. In the same way, Chaplin was bigger than MJ except that we don't remember that now simply because it's been 80 years.

Not all artists are drug addicts or have body dysmorphic syndrome. Some are well-balanced people, like everyone else. Just like there are drug addict slackers and drug addict scientists and drug addict bankers, there are also the people who can cope. In every field. Sometimes, you learn to make a compromise. Jean Arthur said: "I hated the place (Hollywood) - not the work, but the lack of privacy, those terrible prying fan magazine writers and all the surrounding exploitation." So she finished her contract, and that was that. And she walked off the studio, went back to college, taught theater and acted there - and didn't look back, save for her role in Shane.

Doris Day and Jean Arthur were massive stars as well. That you don't have this perspective is simply due to the fact that you didn't live back then. I know only because I've read extensively about it. America likes to forget its past.

And as new generations emerge, Michael will probably become a relatively forgotten footnote in entertainment history as well. Give it 80 years. Kids today don't seem to be aware of much that came before 1980, so I'm assuming that trend will continue.

PS. Ever had someone tell you that they won't watch a film "because it's in black and white, and that's boring?". ULTRA-annoying, primarily because you know what they're missing out on.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 16 12:52:51 2004 by VoicesCarry]
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Reply #23 posted 04/16/04 11:18pm

Luv4oneanotha

VoicesCarry said:

Luv4oneanotha said:


your gonna compare Greta Garbo, Dorris Day, jean arthur to Michael Jackson?
not of the quality of but in star status?
Please,
I as an artist will never quit music i can't do its impossible for me, it will be the death of me
goes for a majority of Artist wouldn't, i just hope to god im never as famous like he is
i'd become like other destructive artist and take drugs and drink
you just can't up & quit
you just deal with it and do your thing
unfortunately and fortunately im not MJ cause i would be doing massive of amounts of coke,
maybe its something only an artist understands ...


Greta Garbo is more of a legend than MJ ever will be. I know she was a star in the '20s and '30s (before your time) but she was bigger than he was. I know that it seems odd, but the fact is (at least in the film industry), stars have much much more artistic freedom and monetary recompensation than they did back then. You were under contract to a studio and did what they wanted, not what you wanted. You were a slave. Garbo helped to reform that system; in her business savvy, she was comparable to Madonna. In the same way, Chaplin was bigger than MJ except that we don't remember that now simply because it's been 80 years.

Not all artists are drug addicts or have body dysmorphic syndrome. Some are well-balanced people, like everyone else. Just like there are drug addict slackers and drug addict scientists and drug addict bankers, there are also the people who can cope. In every field. Sometimes, you learn to make a compromise. Jean Arthur said: "I hated the place (Hollywood) - not the work, but the lack of privacy, those terrible prying fan magazine writers and all the surrounding exploitation." So she finished her contract, and that was that. And she walked off the studio, went back to college, taught theater and acted there - and didn't look back, save for her role in Shane.

Doris Day and Jean Arthur were massive stars as well. That you don't have this perspective is simply due to the fact that you didn't live back then. I know only because I've read extensively about it. America likes to forget its past.

And as new generations emerge, Michael will probably become a relatively forgotten footnote in entertainment history as well. Give it 80 years. Kids today don't seem to be aware of much that came before 1980, so I'm assuming that trend will continue.

PS. Ever had someone tell you that they won't watch a film "because it's in black and white, and that's boring?". ULTRA-annoying, primarily because you know what they're missing out on.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 16 12:52:51 2004 by VoicesCarry]

Can't argue with ya there
i love charlie Chaplin
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Reply #24 posted 04/19/04 7:56am

LightOfArt

You got to be kidding VoicesCarry! Michael can wake up one day and say ill retire?? biggrin
He is the most famous man on the planet...Even if he stops doing music do you think media will leave him alone??? Hah thats the reason he puts masks on his kids...So they can decide if they wanna be considered as WACKO JACKSOS KIDS or live their lives!!! SAD...im sorry for MJ
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Reply #25 posted 04/19/04 8:08am

Luv4oneanotha

LightOfArt said:

You got to be kidding VoicesCarry! Michael can wake up one day and say ill retire?? biggrin
He is the most famous man on the planet...Even if he stops doing music do you think media will leave him alone??? Hah thats the reason he puts masks on his kids...So they can decide if they wanna be considered as WACKO JACKSOS KIDS or live their lives!!! SAD...im sorry for MJ

She got a point 2...
but i agree with ya 2 voices
ive always wanted MJ to do his final C.D. for Mainstream then become Mainly a songwriter Producers for other people
then ocaisionally perform here and there
but still that cats a Megastar for life...
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Reply #26 posted 04/19/04 9:06am

LightOfArt

Luv4oneanotha said:

LightOfArt said:

You got to be kidding VoicesCarry! Michael can wake up one day and say ill retire?? biggrin
He is the most famous man on the planet...Even if he stops doing music do you think media will leave him alone??? Hah thats the reason he puts masks on his kids...So they can decide if they wanna be considered as WACKO JACKSOS KIDS or live their lives!!! SAD...im sorry for MJ

She got a point 2...
but i agree with ya 2 voices
ive always wanted MJ to do his final C.D. for Mainstream then become Mainly a songwriter Producers for other people
then ocaisionally perform here and there
but still that cats a Megastar for life...


Im a he
Anyway lets hope Michael leaves everything behind(if he is innocent that i believe he is) and concentrates on his music...
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Reply #27 posted 04/19/04 9:26am

Luv4oneanotha

LightOfArt said:

Luv4oneanotha said:


She got a point 2...
but i agree with ya 2 voices
ive always wanted MJ to do his final C.D. for Mainstream then become Mainly a songwriter Producers for other people
then ocaisionally perform here and there
but still that cats a Megastar for life...


Im a he
Anyway lets hope Michael leaves everything behind(if he is innocent that i believe he is) and concentrates on his music...

Ahh my bad!
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Reply #28 posted 04/20/04 4:21pm

papaa

IT'S FACILE TO COMPARE LEGENDS...

Across different industries and mediums. Greta Garbo is no greater a legend than MJ, and vice versa. It's precisely like comparing Tiger Woods to Rocky Marciano. They've set different precedents and made accomplishments which carry varying degrees of influence in their fields of work. The outcomes of which do not always fare well when drawing comparisons. "Garbo helped to reform that system", Voices Carry writes, whilst MJ was a frontrunner in the recognition of black artists on music television. Deciding whose achievements is greater is a matter of some subjectivity.
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Reply #29 posted 04/20/04 5:00pm

Luv4oneanotha

papaa said:

IT'S FACILE TO COMPARE LEGENDS...

Across different industries and mediums. Greta Garbo is no greater a legend than MJ, and vice versa. It's precisely like comparing Tiger Woods to Rocky Marciano. They've set different precedents and made accomplishments which carry varying degrees of influence in their fields of work. The outcomes of which do not always fare well when drawing comparisons. "Garbo helped to reform that system", Voices Carry writes, whilst MJ was a frontrunner in the recognition of black artists on music television. Deciding whose achievements is greater is a matter of some subjectivity.

This Bores me...Who's up for a game of basketball?
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