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PrintableThreadBare said: I have to disagree with your suggestion that he doesn't write or sing about sexual relationships with women. Here are just a few of his songs. You're more familiar with his catalog than I, though, I'm sure:
In the Closet Remember the Time PYT The Way You Make Me Feel She Rocks My World She Drives Me Wild Can't Let Her Get Away Give in to Me billie jean She's Out of My Life Girl is Mine Don't Stop Til You Get Enough Dirty Diana Butterflies So, let me guess. When he sings about these relationships, it's all a euphemism to him, right? When sings about how a girl makes him feel and he starts doing pelvic thrusts and rubbin' on himself, it's a metaphor for having bitten into a York Peppermint Pattie. The man sings about having mature, physical relationships with women. But he's asexual? So, he's acting? None of this makes sense or holds water. He has a sexual side, doesn't seem particularly natural with women and LOVES to be around children. Again, please explain the disconnect. You've gotta be kidding me lol? with the exception of in the closet i don't think anyof those songs can be deemed as sexual lets get things straight butterflies , he didnt write she's out of my life he didn't write you rock my world was co-written he didn't write Pyt she drives me wild was co-written cant let her get away -co-written etc Co writing songs are not deemed as his they are deemed as a collaberation of ideas im an atist i know these things these tracks were written specifically for the Project and yes most of the time it isn't taken personally the only songs MJ might take personally are the ones he writes himself and thats not even fully correct hes a talented song writer ive written about child abuse and never Xperienced it its called creativity im sorry but you have no evidence that he is not Asexual and using his songs and gestures is Fallable you seem to concerned for his love for children without recognizing the facts that he doesn't fit into the child abuser Profile ask any psycologist its a logical fact he's far from being a preditor but theres always a chance he is a far one but u never know but your using the songs he performs and gestures he makes while performing as Evidence that hes sexually active or even considered a child abuser? thats the most absurd thing! Come on? be serious nobody thought it wasinapropriat until after he was in the limelight for it his image was tarnished now people deem it questionable, i don't see a psycologist in 87 deeming ackson antics toward children are inappropriat? Come on now stop trying to blame things on the world renowned Freak its simplistic [This message was edited Tue Apr 20 23:05:52 2004 by Luv4oneanotha] | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: You've gotta be kidding me lol?
with the exception of in the closet i don't think anyof those songs can be deemed as sexual lets get things straight butterflies , he didnt write she's out of my life he didn't write you rock my world was co-written he didn't write Pyt she drives me wild was co-written cant let her get away -co-written etc Co writing songs are not deemed as his they are deemed as a collaberation of ideas im an atist i know these things these tracks were written specifically for the Project and yes most of the time it isn't taken personally the only songs MJ might take personally are the ones he writes himself and thats not even fully correct hes a talented song writer ive written about child abuse and never Xperienced it its called creativity im sorry but you have no evidence that he is not Asexual and using his sngs a gestures is Fallable you seem to concerned for his love for children without recognizing the facts that he doesn't fit into the child abuser Profile ask any psycologist its a logical fact he's far from being a preditor but theres always a chance he is a far one but u never know but your using the songs he performs and gestures he makes while performing as Evidence that hes sexually active or even considered a child abuser? thats the most absurd thing! Come on? be serious nobody thought it wasinapropriat until after he was in the limelight for it his image was tarnished now people deem it questionable, i don't see a psycologist in 87 deeming ackson antics toward children are inappropriat? Come on now stop trying to blame things on the world renowned Freak its simplistic I understand creativity, man, believe me. So is MJ a liar? Because it seems to me that he would only agree to do songs that are reflective of him. Right? I mean, there has to be a reason he hasn't done a misogynistic song, right? A "kill your parents" song? Why hasn't he? They'd be songs written by other people. He wouldn't have any personal investment in them. But, no, he's done a consistent pattern of songs since the 1970s. Songs about feelings and how things are with a woman he's seeing or just met, songs about being a victim of the media, songs about healing the world. These are songs that reflect MJ. He chooses them for that reason. He agrees to the lyrics because they're not objectionable. As for your claim of propaganda, the man's ex-wives are even talking about how weird he is with women. It was one thing when it was just Madonna. But Presley and Rowe, too? In fact, no celebrity has ever said anything consistently about MJ to suggest that he's "normal" when it comes to women. But, he sings about them as if he is while running around trying to be as close to kids as he can be (around the clock). I dunno. Seems awfully fishy to me. And, I've yet to hear (again) how he's able to enjoy such a convenient, dualistic explanation. Peter Pan sings about gettin' it on with women, but he's asexual. Riiiiight. | |
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ThreadBare said: Luv4oneanotha said: You've gotta be kidding me lol?
with the exception of in the closet i don't think anyof those songs can be deemed as sexual lets get things straight butterflies , he didnt write she's out of my life he didn't write you rock my world was co-written he didn't write Pyt she drives me wild was co-written cant let her get away -co-written etc Co writing songs are not deemed as his they are deemed as a collaberation of ideas im an atist i know these things these tracks were written specifically for the Project and yes most of the time it isn't taken personally the only songs MJ might take personally are the ones he writes himself and thats not even fully correct hes a talented song writer ive written about child abuse and never Xperienced it its called creativity im sorry but you have no evidence that he is not Asexual and using his sngs a gestures is Fallable you seem to concerned for his love for children without recognizing the facts that he doesn't fit into the child abuser Profile ask any psycologist its a logical fact he's far from being a preditor but theres always a chance he is a far one but u never know but your using the songs he performs and gestures he makes while performing as Evidence that hes sexually active or even considered a child abuser? thats the most absurd thing! Come on? be serious nobody thought it wasinapropriat until after he was in the limelight for it his image was tarnished now people deem it questionable, i don't see a psycologist in 87 deeming ackson antics toward children are inappropriat? Come on now stop trying to blame things on the world renowned Freak its simplistic I understand creativity, man, believe me. So is MJ a liar? Because it seems to me that he would only agree to do songs that are reflective of him. Right? I mean, there has to be a reason he hasn't done a misogynistic song, right? A "kill your parents" song? Why hasn't he? They'd be songs written by other people. He wouldn't have any personal investment in them. But, no, he's done a consistent pattern of songs since the 1970s. Songs about feelings and how things are with a woman he's seeing or just met, songs about being a victim of the media, songs about healing the world. These are songs that reflect MJ. He chooses them for that reason. He agrees to the lyrics because they're not objectionable. As for your claim of propaganda, the man's ex-wives are even talking about how weird he is with women. It was one thing when it was just Madonna. But Presley and Rowe, too? In fact, no celebrity has ever said anything consistently about MJ to suggest that he's "normal" when it comes to women. But, he sings about them as if he is while running around trying to be as close to kids as he can be (around the clock). I dunno. Seems awfully fishy to me. And, I've yet to hear (again) how he's able to enjoy such a convenient, dualistic explanation. Peter Pan sings about gettin' it on with women, but he's asexual. Riiiiight. Its music it isn't to be taken personally the majority of mjs songs in the 70's were not written by him is usher lying when he's singing about kocking up some girl when he didn't no? its a part of the project it doesn't matter if its reflective or not it matters if the song is good or not U actually think a candy coat Album about children and animals is gon sell u don't know the industry they are songsthey could be reflective they could not Madonna? she trie dto seduce him and he refused Andy warhol tried to seduce him he refused he's wasnt sexually active in those times and if he was he hid it well! its his privacy i don't care who he sleeps with Elton John USe to sing about women all the time in the bginning of his career and he was gay? so why sing about women he didn't write it he had song writers stop being so critical Work and personal life is seperate i think out of all MJ's C.D. HISTORY is his most personal one cause a majority of it was written by him it was a hate c.d. witha lot of anger which hat he was feeling at the time I mean does it really matter if he's sexually active? Lisa marie and debbie have stated that they had normal sex life it was their life in general which was weird at this time think mj is sexually active he's just personal about it he has a serious fetish for white women aint nothing wrong with that but C'mon its art MJ doesn't care if hes being reflective he wants a hit the public likes ooey gooey ballads about women so he co-write sthem but if u follow his work what he writes is not sexual odd at times Mind and the magic but not sexual now who knows no offence but that was like the stupidest reason you came up with i think Even Voices wouldn't back ya with that one | |
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Yes, you're right. Elton John was married for a relatively short period of time. And, George Michael often appeared with female models in his videos during the 1980s. I'm not suggesting that Jackson can't be uninterested in women and still sing to/about them, in as much as those gay singers did the same for a long while.
But MJ has been married twice and has gone to great lengths to PRETEND that he has NORMAL relationships with these women: the MTV awards kiss with Presley that was as stiff and wooden as an antique chair, the farce about fathering kids with Rowe. Did you see the footage of him trying to flirt with the young women from Spain in the Bashir documentary? His remarks to them weren't exactly the kind you hear from Don Juan. But, he tries, all the same, to act as if he's really into women. My question is: Why pretend (unconvincingly) you're really into women (onstage and off) but center your life around trying to get close to kids? It doesn't exactly make sense. And, you know, I'm gonna excuse your remark about stupidity. I mean, after all, you've suggested that the people who support Jackson are at least partly responsible for his mental problems and questionable (there's that word again!) decisions. And, if you're a much bigger fan and supporter of Jackson than I, the burden of culpability must weigh that much more heavily on you. So, calling people stupid is probably just your way of dealing with the guilt of subjecting poor Mr. Jackson to such a cruel fate. Or maybe it's projection. All the same, you've yet to explain why he, an adult, isn't be responsible for his own actions (like the rest of us adults are), instead saying he is a victim of libelous, monolithic media outlets and people who just want to believe him guilty of molestation allegations. | |
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ThreadBare said: LightOfArt said: co-sign Perhaps you two can explain to me then, what no other diehard MJ fan has been able to explain: How is it that offstage Michael, who loves to be around kids all the time but is decidedly asexual (he's Peter Pan, remember), can write and perform songs about adult, sexual relationships and add sexual choreography to his videos and concerts? Offstage asexual unlike most other adults, which makes him the perfect companion for kids. It also is highly unlikely that he is the biological father of "his" children.) Artistically very sexual and constantly groping female dancers (or himself) Explain this dualistic alibi that MJ and his faithful flock have repeated for well over a decade, please. Thanks. I guess, people are still very curious about his behavior. 
I don't know him personally, so I really can't judge him. You have the public and the private MJ, and the public figure is a very vague person, because of things you mentioned. But what about Sinatra or Elvis? All Entertainers made their public person as personal as possible to get the utmost attention. IMO he isn't that childlike at all, but that doesn't mean he is a pedophile. I guess, he has still problems with things that happened during his childhood and maybe he doesn't have the balls to deal with it. Maybe thats why we always hear his stories about his dad etc. (which I don't want to hear anymore). Everybody has problems and his biggest disadvantage is his money, which lures him to avoid any confrontation with his. I don't condem him or anything, I think what he did to others all those years was just positive. He never dissed anyone, he spent so much time and money on donations, he even donate whole tour earnings! Maybe it is time, for the ones who criticize him, not to dis him, but to help him. I can't understand why people dis him. It is just jealousy. BlueNote | |
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Interesting article. I don't agree with it 100%, but it does raise some very good points.
I've never been convinced of MJ's guilt or innocence, but I do think its fascinating that so many people are willing to automatically believe that he HAS to be a pedophile. In a similar case, R Kelly is often portrayed as an innocent victim who just couldn't possibly be guilty of the crimes he is accused of, despite the fact that he videotaped his activities with underage girls. Why is it that MJ is automatically assumed to be a sexual predator, while R Kelly is not? Is it that R Kelly appears to be a normal guy? MJ is such a weirdo that he just has to be guilty? Or is it because MJ is accused of molesting boys, while Kelly is accused of the same with females? Is this a result of our soceity being so homophobic and mysoginistic, that its somehow deemed acceptable for men to engage in sexual acts with children, so long as they are female? One thing that does seem to get overlooked a lot is that most pedophiles don't go around advertising their love for children. MJ does this quite frequently. The media's representation of MJ's love for children being evidence of his guilt sets a dangerous precedent. The public at large comes to believe that any grown man who dotes on children must be a predator, while the pedophiles who meticulously hide their sickness pass undetected through soceity. This isn't to say that Jackson is innocent. So far, the public hasn't heard the evidence that the state has against him. My whole point has more to do with how the media is presenting this case. MJ is a weirdo, and the media is plugging into our primal revulsion of that which is strange or bizzare. In other words, he is being declared guilty, not because of the evidence, but because he is different. 
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u know michael has alot of diff personalities quincy jones said once that michael is the youngest person he knows and the oldest michael can spend 3 hours playin with kids and acting like a kid then 5 mins later he could on the phone for 30mins having a serious business comversation when hes with kids he can relate on that level if he is with an adult he grows up to there age or speaks on there level
also i think alot of sexual themes and lyrics in mjs songs are just fantasies and arent necessary about anyone and i think mj isnt motivated by sex it doesnt drive him he can take it or leave it hence i think the very little experience with the opposite sex also the energy that alot of artists put into sex and relationships michael instead uses that energy and puts it into the music like he said on the oprah interview when oprah asked about possible marriage in the future michael replied iam married im married to my music and i need that closeness to do the kinda work i wamna do | |
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great words jedi and ive seen that r kelly video in question and its disgusting at one point he even pisses on the girl gives her a urine smoothie
i mean video evidence is pretty conclusive to me i mean what was his defence for it did he say it was his head on someone elses body i dont get it cause the girl is obviously about 13 or 14 also another reason mj gets bashed and not r kelly is because michaels a much bigger star then r kelly so everything a bit more magnified | |
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riverdean7 said: great words jedi and ive seen that r kelly video in question and its disgusting at one point he even pisses on the girl gives her a urine smoothie
i mean video evidence is pretty conclusive to me i mean what was his defence for it did he say it was his head on someone elses body i dont get it cause the girl is obviously about 13 or 14 also another reason mj gets bashed and not r kelly is because michaels a much bigger star then r kelly so everything a bit more magnified I WANT TO pee on u ! Yes i do i 'll pee on you i'll piss on you lol sad thing is Videos are not admissable as liable evidence so he'll prolly get off lol | |
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LightOfArt said: DavidEye said: The most frustrating thing about Michael Jackson is that HE doesn't think there's anything wrong with him.This guy lives in his own world.He thinks it's perfectly normal for a black man to bleach his skin,have multiple surgeries to alter his appearance,and have "sleepovers" with young children.In his view,this is all normal,positive behavior and the rest of us are fools for believing otherwise.While I will always be a fan of Michael's music ,I no longer respect him.He's so far out of touch with reality,it ain't even funny anymore.
HE DIDNT BLEACH HIS SKIN...ITS VITILIGO OR WHATEVR THE SHIT IS CALLED 
BEFORE(see the white patches? He was covering them until they were all over his body) 
AFTER  Well I will give you credit you posted pictures, but it's still bullshit. I don't believe in that vitiligo bullshit. I believe just like a family member said. He used bleaching cream because he didn't want to be dark. The result, his skin getting lighter a little at a time. I would believe it if he wasn't so insecure with his looks, but he has been since he was a teenager. Pictures or no pictures he bleached his skin. Bottom line.  | |
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what family member said mj bleached his skin | |
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riverdean7 said: what family member said mj bleached his skin
Latoya. I think I read it in her autobiography Growing Up In The Jackson Family? 
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It's good to go with the common addage: innocent until proven guilty. I don't believe O.J. killed Nicole nor that he didn't. I wasn't there. I didn't even hear a good motive for that. I haven't seen the R. Kelly video, I've never been to Neverland, and I wasn't in Colorado last summer. Therefore, I'm willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt and if they're guilty I hope justice is served. If it isn't here on Earth I do believe God will be the ultimate judge so I don't worry about it.
The sickening thing is the media fascination and exploitation of these events. Negative stories are always sensationalized while good deeds often go unnoticed. Imagine the warped perceptions one who doesn't interact with black people on a routine basis would have based on this representation. It's mind control and poison but good people can sniff it out because they look for the good in other people. |
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Thanks for some of the comments in here. They just give further proof that the author of this article knows what he's talking about.
Unfortunately, Michael Jackson is a victim of the human characteristic to have opinions that CANNOT be changed, by nothing. | |
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first off ive read latoyas book and dont remember anything in it regarding mj bleaching his skin and latoya isnt exactly the greatest source in the world cause when she left the family and shacked up with jack gordon she basically told numerous lies about michael and the family egged on of course by jack gordon who encouraged the lies and probably had a lot to do with the content in her book and secondly since latoya is back with the family she has basically renounced everthing she said about mj and the family during the time she was with jack gordon the same deal goes for whatevers in her book | |
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riverdean7 said: first off ive read latoyas book and dont remember anything in it regarding mj bleaching his skin and latoya isnt exactly the greatest source in the world cause when she left the family and shacked up with jack gordon she basically told numerous lies about michael and the family egged on of course by jack gordon who encouraged the lies and probably had a lot to do with the content in her book and secondly since latoya is back with the family she has basically renounced everthing she said about mj and the family during the time she was with jack gordon the same deal goes for whatevers in her book
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riverdean7 said: Last year I watched the BBC documentary on Jackson. It was a truly repellant experience. The only thing more horrifying was the parade of coverage and commentary that revealed a bizarre giddiness in its malice. Whom did he murder? Whose life savings did he scam? Whose job did he outsource?
What BBC documentary on Michael Jackson? Only two BBC documentaries spring to mind from last year: "Jacko's Millions". A tabloid-esque puff-piece on how he spends his money; "Louis, Martin & Michael". Louis Theroux's meditation on the aftermath of the Martin Bashir interview. In fact, the Louis Thereoux programme was incredibly sympathetic and laid any blame (for Jackson's eratic behaviour) on his father. Transcript of Louis Theroux’s interview with Joe Jackson (NB other people present are Majestik Magnificent and Will Yapp, director/producer) Louis: I’ve been trying to understand the Jackson family a little bit. It started out as trying to understand Michael. Michael has said he’s so nervous of you to this day that when he sees you or he’s about to see you he regurgitates. Majestik Magnificent: All the way to where Joe? Joe Jackson: He regurgitates all the way to the bank. That’s right Louis: I’m not quite sure what you mean when you say that. Do you mean you don’t really believe he does or you don’t really care. Joe Jackson: Do I really care? I really don’t. Louis: Michael’s on record as saying that you beat him with switches and belts. Joe Jackson: I never beat him. I whipped him with a switch and a belt. I never beat him. You beat someone with a stick. Louis: It’s also been written that you would tease Michael and call him big nose. Joe Jackson: Did he say that? If he said that, I don’t recall calling him big nose, if he did it’s entirely a joking situation you know. Louis: When you look at Michael now and particularly when you look at his nose. What do you think? Joe Jackson: I don’t think anything. If that’s what he wants, that’s what he did. It’s up to him. Louis: Do you think it looks good? Joe Jackson: If it’s good to him, it’s good for him its good for me it’s whatever he wants. Majestik Magnificent (laughing): Louis, you’re going for the jugular aren’t you? Joe Jackson: I will get up and walk out if I have to talk about Michael’s nose on the BBC. I don’t want to do that because he wouldn’t like that. Louis: It seems to me having researched Michael for almost a year now that he does need help of some sort. That he’s remarkable, talented, kind, gentle, loving individual but also that he’s troubled for reasons I don’t fully understand. Joe Jackson: I don’t either, you say that he’s troubled, I don’t see that he’s troubled. Louis: What about the fact that he doesn’t seem to have any real friends. He doesn’t seem to have any real romantic relationships. Joe Jackson: Michael has everything that he needs. Louis: He only seems to relate to children he has no friends his own age. Joe Jackson: Michael is a kid sort of, like, I mean, Michael is a kid himself he’s never really grown up. Louis: Have you any wondered whether because he was successful at a young age that he came to feel he had to be cute, this cute little boy in order for people to love him and that stopped him ever from growing up. Joe Jackson: No I don’t see it that way. I don’t see it that way at all. Louis: Because in his physical appearance, he’s given himself this tiny little nose, he’s almost made himself look more childlike as an adult. Joe Jackson: There we go with that nose thing again. Michael, if he wants an operation on his nose, plastic surgery, hey, he can do it. It’s his right. Louis: But why would he do it? Joe Jackson: Other people get plastic surgery all the time. Louis: Not to that extent. Joe Jackson: I don’t know what you mean to what extent. Louis: As much as he’s had it. Joe Jackson: Well, whatever he’s done, he’s the only one who did it, he can do what he likes so hey. I wasn’t there when he did it. I didn’t know about it so and anyway I’m not going to talk about his nose anymore, he wouldn’t like for me to do that. Majestik Magnificent: Don’t ask that question again. Joe Jackson: You Can’t. Louis: I’m not questioning his right to do what he wants. Joe Jackson: Yeah, but this is gonna be out and he will not like for me to talk about his nose. Majestik Magnificent: I’m telling you, if you don’t want the interview to end man, stay away from it, this interview is gonna end, can’t you take a hint. Louis: Why, why on that particular subject? Joe Jackson: I’m not going to make him mad. Majestik Magnificent: Full stop. Joe Jackson: I’m not going to make him mad over something I’m sitting here talking to the BBC about. He don’t want me to do that. Louis: Well let me ask generally then do you think that maybe because he was a child star that he’s… Joe Jackson (interrupting): What I should be talking to you about is you all should stop calling him Jacko Wacko and all that stuff. You all started that. Majestik Magnificent: You sure did. Joe Jackson: You started that. In America when someone’s wacko they think he’s crazy. Jacko Wacko. Louis: Well a lot of people think Michael is crazy. Joe Jackson: I don’t think so, he’s very smart. Louis: I mean Michael is widely regarded as probably the most eccentric person on the planet. That can’t be news to you – is it? Joe Jackson: Well, whatever. Louis: Would you like to see Michael settled down with a partner? Joe Jackson: Now what’s a partner? Louis: A loved one. Majestik Magnificent: What are you trying… a wife, you saying? Louis: A boyfriend or a girlfriend. Majestik Magnificent: A what? What did you say? Louis: A boyfriend or girlfriend. Majestik Magnificent: What are you trying to say, that Michael’s gay now? What if Michael said I would, what would you just. Stop. Turn the camera off, now, turn the camera off, turn the camera, turn the camera, turn the camera off, turn the camera off, or else there gonna be when I let you turn it on and continue… turn the camera off. Louis: Why? (over Majestik protesting) this isn’t your interview Majestik it’s Joe’s. Majestik: I don’t care that’s why I’m here. Louis: What do you say Joe? Majestik Magnificent: Hey Hey Hey Louis Louis. Joe Jackson: You’re asking me asking the wrong questions. Majestik Magnificent: Louis, Louis we have to talk about this Louis. Will: That’s a conversation we can have Majestik. Joe Jackson: If I had known this was going to be talking about Michael, you know what I’m saying, I would never have given you the chance to do this, never. Majestik Magnificent: Exactly, exactly. This is Michael’s father and you’re going to sit there and say has he got a boyfriend, how much more disrespectful can you be. Louis: Or a girlfriend. Majestik Magnificent: You should just say a girlfriend or a wife. That’s an insult to Mr Jackson to let you come in… Louis: Why is that insult? Joe Jackson: Because we don’t believe in gays. I can’t stand them. Majestik Magnificent: Me neither. Joe Jackson: And you’re trying to say that Michael should have a boyfriend. Majestik Magnificent: That’s an insult, I’m so glad Kate (Michael’s mother) ain’t here. Joe Jackson: Katherine would really get on to you about that. Majestik Magnificent: You sit there and say Michael have a boyfriend to his father, you don’t think that’s an insult. Louis: or a girlfriend. Joe Jackson: You said a boyfriend. Louis: I said a boyfriend or a girlfriend. Joe Jackson: What does he need a boyfriend for. Are you saying having a boyfriend as a girlfriend? Louis: No. I don’t know what Michael’s romantic interests are, I don’t know which way he goes. Joe Jackson: Certainly I’m sitting here saying right now, he’s not with no boys, ok, it’s not that. Anyway Majestik I’m going have to end this. Majestik Magnificent: See. I told you. Joe Jackson: Because you know I’m not going to make Michael mad at me by talking about… Majestik Magnificent: I understand (to Louis) I tried to warn you… Louis: Let’s talk about something else… Majestik Magnificent: I tried to warn you and you wouldn’t stop, you just wouldn’t stop, I tried to tell you it’s over. Louis: The only reason I said boyfriend or girlfriend is because I said partner and Joe said what do you mean by partner and I was explaining what that means. Joe Jackson: I don’t understand. Louis: Let me rephrase it. Would you like to see Michael in a steady relationship? Joe Jackson: If you’re referring to as a wife, with a wife, a lady wife, that’s up to him what he wants to do. If he’s happy like he is that’s fine; if he wants to be with a lady woman that’s fine with me. Whatever he wants is fine with me. Louis: Well, except a boyfriend apparently. Joe Jackson: That ain’t on… that ain’t going happen. Majestik Magnificent: Michael’s not gay, so you have to be gay to have a boyfriend and I’m telling you Michael is not gay. Joe Jackson: That is not going to happen. We’re through, you asked questions for twenty minutes, we’re through. Majestik Magnificent: Yeah we’re through, that’s it. Louis: I just want to understand Michael. http://66.102.9.104/searc...kson&hl=en | |
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VoicesCarry said: riverdean7 said: first off ive read latoyas book and dont remember anything in it regarding mj bleaching his skin and latoya isnt exactly the greatest source in the world cause when she left the family and shacked up with jack gordon she basically told numerous lies about michael and the family egged on of course by jack gordon who encouraged the lies and probably had a lot to do with the content in her book and secondly since latoya is back with the family she has basically renounced everthing she said about mj and the family during the time she was with jack gordon the same deal goes for whatevers in her book
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Louis: Why is that insult?
Joe Jackson: Because we don’t believe in gays. I can’t stand them.  cinnie cee 'gurgitates | |
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BinaryJustin said: riverdean7 said: Last year I watched the BBC documentary on Jackson. It was a truly repellant experience. The only thing more horrifying was the parade of coverage and commentary that revealed a bizarre giddiness in its malice. Whom did he murder? Whose life savings did he scam? Whose job did he outsource?
What BBC documentary on Michael Jackson? Only two BBC documentaries spring to mind from last year: "Jacko's Millions". A tabloid-esque puff-piece on how he spends his money; "Louis, Martin & Michael". Louis Theroux's meditation on the aftermath of the Martin Bashir interview. In fact, the Louis Thereoux programme was incredibly sympathetic and laid any blame (for Jackson's eratic behaviour) on his father. Transcript of Louis Theroux’s interview with Joe Jackson (NB other people present are Majestik Magnificent and Will Yapp, director/producer) Louis: I’ve been trying to understand the Jackson family a little bit. It started out as trying to understand Michael. Michael has said he’s so nervous of you to this day that when he sees you or he’s about to see you he regurgitates. Majestik Magnificent: All the way to where Joe? Joe Jackson: He regurgitates all the way to the bank. That’s right Louis: I’m not quite sure what you mean when you say that. Do you mean you don’t really believe he does or you don’t really care. Joe Jackson: Do I really care? I really don’t. Louis: Michael’s on record as saying that you beat him with switches and belts. Joe Jackson: I never beat him. I whipped him with a switch and a belt. I never beat him. You beat someone with a stick. Louis: It’s also been written that you would tease Michael and call him big nose. Joe Jackson: Did he say that? If he said that, I don’t recall calling him big nose, if he did it’s entirely a joking situation you know. Louis: When you look at Michael now and particularly when you look at his nose. What do you think? Joe Jackson: I don’t think anything. If that’s what he wants, that’s what he did. It’s up to him. Louis: Do you think it looks good? Joe Jackson: If it’s good to him, it’s good for him its good for me it’s whatever he wants. Majestik Magnificent (laughing): Louis, you’re going for the jugular aren’t you? Joe Jackson: I will get up and walk out if I have to talk about Michael’s nose on the BBC. I don’t want to do that because he wouldn’t like that. Louis: It seems to me having researched Michael for almost a year now that he does need help of some sort. That he’s remarkable, talented, kind, gentle, loving individual but also that he’s troubled for reasons I don’t fully understand. Joe Jackson: I don’t either, you say that he’s troubled, I don’t see that he’s troubled. Louis: What about the fact that he doesn’t seem to have any real friends. He doesn’t seem to have any real romantic relationships. Joe Jackson: Michael has everything that he needs. Louis: He only seems to relate to children he has no friends his own age. Joe Jackson: Michael is a kid sort of, like, I mean, Michael is a kid himself he’s never really grown up. Louis: Have you any wondered whether because he was successful at a young age that he came to feel he had to be cute, this cute little boy in order for people to love him and that stopped him ever from growing up. Joe Jackson: No I don’t see it that way. I don’t see it that way at all. Louis: Because in his physical appearance, he’s given himself this tiny little nose, he’s almost made himself look more childlike as an adult. Joe Jackson: There we go with that nose thing again. Michael, if he wants an operation on his nose, plastic surgery, hey, he can do it. It’s his right. Louis: But why would he do it? Joe Jackson: Other people get plastic surgery all the time. Louis: Not to that extent. Joe Jackson: I don’t know what you mean to what extent. Louis: As much as he’s had it. Joe Jackson: Well, whatever he’s done, he’s the only one who did it, he can do what he likes so hey. I wasn’t there when he did it. I didn’t know about it so and anyway I’m not going to talk about his nose anymore, he wouldn’t like for me to do that. Majestik Magnificent: Don’t ask that question again. Joe Jackson: You Can’t. Louis: I’m not questioning his right to do what he wants. Joe Jackson: Yeah, but this is gonna be out and he will not like for me to talk about his nose. Majestik Magnificent: I’m telling you, if you don’t want the interview to end man, stay away from it, this interview is gonna end, can’t you take a hint. Louis: Why, why on that particular subject? Joe Jackson: I’m not going to make him mad. Majestik Magnificent: Full stop. Joe Jackson: I’m not going to make him mad over something I’m sitting here talking to the BBC about. He don’t want me to do that. Louis: Well let me ask generally then do you think that maybe because he was a child star that he’s… Joe Jackson (interrupting): What I should be talking to you about is you all should stop calling him Jacko Wacko and all that stuff. You all started that. Majestik Magnificent: You sure did. Joe Jackson: You started that. In America when someone’s wacko they think he’s crazy. Jacko Wacko. Louis: Well a lot of people think Michael is crazy. Joe Jackson: I don’t think so, he’s very smart. Louis: I mean Michael is widely regarded as probably the most eccentric person on the planet. That can’t be news to you – is it? Joe Jackson: Well, whatever. Louis: Would you like to see Michael settled down with a partner? Joe Jackson: Now what’s a partner? Louis: A loved one. Majestik Magnificent: What are you trying… a wife, you saying? Louis: A boyfriend or a girlfriend. Majestik Magnificent: A what? What did you say? Louis: A boyfriend or girlfriend. Majestik Magnificent: What are you trying to say, that Michael’s gay now? What if Michael said I would, what would you just. Stop. Turn the camera off, now, turn the camera off, turn the camera, turn the camera, turn the camera off, turn the camera off, or else there gonna be when I let you turn it on and continue… turn the camera off. Louis: Why? (over Majestik protesting) this isn’t your interview Majestik it’s Joe’s. Majestik: I don’t care that’s why I’m here. Louis: What do you say Joe? Majestik Magnificent: Hey Hey Hey Louis Louis. Joe Jackson: You’re asking me asking the wrong questions. Majestik Magnificent: Louis, Louis we have to talk about this Louis. Will: That’s a conversation we can have Majestik. Joe Jackson: If I had known this was going to be talking about Michael, you know what I’m saying, I would never have given you the chance to do this, never. Majestik Magnificent: Exactly, exactly. This is Michael’s father and you’re going to sit there and say has he got a boyfriend, how much more disrespectful can you be. Louis: Or a girlfriend. Majestik Magnificent: You should just say a girlfriend or a wife. That’s an insult to Mr Jackson to let you come in… Louis: Why is that insult? Joe Jackson: Because we don’t believe in gays. I can’t stand them. Majestik Magnificent: Me neither. Joe Jackson: And you’re trying to say that Michael should have a boyfriend. Majestik Magnificent: That’s an insult, I’m so glad Kate (Michael’s mother) ain’t here. Joe Jackson: Katherine would really get on to you about that. Majestik Magnificent: You sit there and say Michael have a boyfriend to his father, you don’t think that’s an insult. Louis: or a girlfriend. Joe Jackson: You said a boyfriend. Louis: I said a boyfriend or a girlfriend. Joe Jackson: What does he need a boyfriend for. Are you saying having a boyfriend as a girlfriend? Louis: No. I don’t know what Michael’s romantic interests are, I don’t know which way he goes. Joe Jackson: Certainly I’m sitting here saying right now, he’s not with no boys, ok, it’s not that. Anyway Majestik I’m going have to end this. Majestik Magnificent: See. I told you. Joe Jackson: Because you know I’m not going to make Michael mad at me by talking about… Majestik Magnificent: I understand (to Louis) I tried to warn you… Louis: Let’s talk about something else… Majestik Magnificent: I tried to warn you and you wouldn’t stop, you just wouldn’t stop, I tried to tell you it’s over. Louis: The only reason I said boyfriend or girlfriend is because I said partner and Joe said what do you mean by partner and I was explaining what that means. Joe Jackson: I don’t understand. Louis: Let me rephrase it. Would you like to see Michael in a steady relationship? Joe Jackson: If you’re referring to as a wife, with a wife, a lady wife, that’s up to him what he wants to do. If he’s happy like he is that’s fine; if he wants to be with a lady woman that’s fine with me. Whatever he wants is fine with me. Louis: Well, except a boyfriend apparently. Joe Jackson: That ain’t on… that ain’t going happen. Majestik Magnificent: Michael’s not gay, so you have to be gay to have a boyfriend and I’m telling you Michael is not gay. Joe Jackson: That is not going to happen. We’re through, you asked questions for twenty minutes, we’re through. Majestik Magnificent: Yeah we’re through, that’s it. Louis: I just want to understand Michael. http://66.102.9.104/searc...kson&hl=en OOPS! I can see now where Michael gets his avoidance issues from. I think Mike is gay, but it'll never come out because he's afraid of his loser, muthafuckin' father. | |
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gemini i think your gay as well | |
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riverdean7 said: gemini i think your gay as well
hold it river he does have a point Maybe MJ Was GAY in a sense having tyrannical Father will get that shyt out of you its logical Mind you i don't think he's gay thought he was until that bashir special that dude likes Women lol and he likes WHITE WOMEN! he cheated on lisa marie with debbie ... (throws up) but he did Shaggy stated then he was talkin to mj at the 30th anniv special MJ revealed some shyt to him that would shock the average men i think theres alot we don't know about this man Might be a sex maniac...and i aint talkin bout kids u sick bastards! | |
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One things for sure, MJ is a very secretive person. He is able to keep a lot of shit private. That's one of the reasons why the media speculate so much when it comes to his life. | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: riverdean7 said: gemini i think your gay as well
hold it river he does have a point Maybe MJ Was GAY in a sense having tyrannical Father will get that shyt out of you its logical Mind you i don't think he's gay thought he was until that bashir special that dude likes Women lol and he likes WHITE WOMEN! he cheated on lisa marie with debbie ... (throws up) but he did Shaggy stated then he was talkin to mj at the 30th anniv special MJ revealed some shyt to him that would shock the average men i think theres alot we don't know about this man Might be a sex maniac...and i aint talkin bout kids u sick bastards! first off, I am a white male and I too have vitiligo. It does not show much unless I tan in the summer. so if u had this condition, and im not saying mj did not bleach his skin, but if u had it, would u not do something to smooth it out? i avoid the sun and unfortunatly cannot tan. It makes total sense that mj had vitiligo, this explains the odd behavior with the glove, and the surgical mask. if u were mj, would not having this condition freak u out? and wouldnt u try to hide it to protect ur career? seems like he was honest and came clean on that one. I love kids, and have over forty nieces and nephews (big family, 12 bros and sisters), i have has a dozen kids over at a time, and have slept in the same bed full of kids. does this make me a crimianl? a molester? i agree mj shouldn't show to omuch to the public cuz peeps will see it the way they want to. i just feel sorry for him, it is obvious he is in pain. I am not a big mj fan but i understand where his head is at a lil. i dont profess his innocience either. im just saying the vitiligo makes sense, and the pictures clearly show this. http://www.nvfi.org/ | |
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jarod71 said: Luv4oneanotha said: hold it river he does have a point Maybe MJ Was GAY in a sense having tyrannical Father will get that shyt out of you its logical Mind you i don't think he's gay thought he was until that bashir special that dude likes Women lol and he likes WHITE WOMEN! he cheated on lisa marie with debbie ... (throws up) but he did Shaggy stated then he was talkin to mj at the 30th anniv special MJ revealed some shyt to him that would shock the average men i think theres alot we don't know about this man Might be a sex maniac...and i aint talkin bout kids u sick bastards! first off, I am a white male and I too have vitiligo. It does not show much unless I tan in the summer. so if u had this condition, and im not saying mj did not bleach his skin, but if u had it, would u not do something to smooth it out? i avoid the sun and unfortunatly cannot tan. It makes total sense that mj had vitiligo, this explains the odd behavior with the glove, and the surgical mask. if u were mj, would not having this condition freak u out? and wouldnt u try to hide it to protect ur career? seems like he was honest and came clean on that one. I love kids, and have over forty nieces and nephews (big family, 12 bros and sisters), i have has a dozen kids over at a time, and have slept in the same bed full of kids. does this make me a crimianl? a molester? i agree mj shouldn't show to omuch to the public cuz peeps will see it the way they want to. i just feel sorry for him, it is obvious he is in pain. I am not a big mj fan but i understand where his head is at a lil. i dont profess his innocience either. im just saying the vitiligo makes sense, and the pictures clearly show this. http://www.nvfi.org/ thank u for speaking and i agree with u but i like to think of it this way out of all the years MJ's been getting lighter and he's the only Celeb to get lighter odd? no there are tons of Black Celebs that would die for some skin bleaching material (lil kim) Problem is it Doesn't Exist! there are only Skin Lighteners which lighten the skin to some extense but after a period of time it returns to ur normal skin color but if your intelligent you can make the connections Unbrella,Surgical Mask,long sleeve shirts and sweaters, hat, Overdoing make-up, lipstick,gloves its pretty much obvious! his looks wouldn't look that bad because of his skin color | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: riverdean7 said: gemini i think your gay as well
hold it river he does have a point Maybe MJ Was GAY in a sense having tyrannical Father will get that shyt out of you its logical Mind you i don't think he's gay thought he was until that bashir special that dude likes Women lol and he likes WHITE WOMEN! he cheated on lisa marie with debbie ... (throws up) but he did Shaggy stated then he was talkin to mj at the 30th anniv special MJ revealed some shyt to him that would shock the average men i think theres alot we don't know about this man Might be a sex maniac...and i aint talkin bout kids u sick bastards! dude, youre one cool brotha | |
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Louis: Michael’s on record as saying that you beat him with switches and belts.
Joe Jackson: I never beat him. I whipped him with a switch and a belt. I never beat him. You beat someone with a stick. Well its sad but im....Lmao | |
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LightOfArt said: Luv4oneanotha said: hold it river he does have a point Maybe MJ Was GAY in a sense having tyrannical Father will get that shyt out of you its logical Mind you i don't think he's gay thought he was until that bashir special that dude likes Women lol and he likes WHITE WOMEN! he cheated on lisa marie with debbie ... (throws up) but he did Shaggy stated then he was talkin to mj at the 30th anniv special MJ revealed some shyt to him that would shock the average men i think theres alot we don't know about this man Might be a sex maniac...and i aint talkin bout kids u sick bastards! dude, youre one cool brotha thank you likewise unless you were being sarcastic in which i say Fawk U! 
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i know ive been trying to convince people for years that he has vitiligo
hes completely allergic to the sun and cannot tan he prolly has like sunblock 30 applied under or over his makeup when he goes outside umbrella hat and dont forget the mirrored glasses i was convinced he had it way back in 93 cause on the front cover of this magizine i saw a pic of him and oprah michael was dressed in a long jacket driving that golfcart thing u see in the interview well he had his arm on the streering wheel so his sleeves were down and his wrist and the top parts of his forearm were exposed and i saw this strange discolouration kinda looked like freakles or mud or grit like if u fall into mud then wipe it off but theres still traces of the mud on your skin cause it wasnt removes properly well it kinda looked like that it wasnt mud or freakles though it was clear it was a skin disease like pigment was coming off his forearm wish i had this photo on my hardrive anyway ive always wondered why michael doesnt just come on national tv with maybe just his arm exposed without makeup on there and just show the camera he really does have this disease wouldnt this shut alot of people up i guess its to personal and he would be to embarrased to do this though | |
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riverdean7 said: i know ive been trying to convince people for years that he has vitiligo
hes completely allergic to the sun and cannot tan he prolly has like sunblock 30 applied under or over his makeup when he goes outside umbrella hat and dont forget the mirrored glasses i was convinced he had it way back in 93 cause on the front cover of this magizine i saw a pic of him and oprah michael was dressed in a long jacket driving that golfcart thing u see in the interview well he had his arm on the streering wheel so his sleeves were down and his wrist and the top parts of his forearm were exposed and i saw this strange discolouration kinda looked like freakles or mud or grit like if u fall into mud then wipe it off but theres still traces of the mud on your skin cause it wasnt removes properly well it kinda looked like that it wasnt mud or freakles though it was clear it was a skin disease like pigment was coming off his forearm wish i had this photo on my hardrive anyway ive always wondered why michael doesnt just come on national tv with maybe just his arm exposed without makeup on there and just show the camera he really does have this disease wouldnt this shut alot of people up i guess its to personal and he would be to embarrased to do this though Won't stop anything if he did that bro media will just make up an excuse like he painted it on himself once people find out MJ doesn have the disease alot of people will stop hating him alot of BLACK people we can't have MJ loved by black people and seem normal now can we? | |
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