Does anybody think it's a disgrace that Kurt Cobain placed higher on the list than Prince, Michael Jackson, and Madonna?

Don't get me wrong, Kurt had a great start and had lots of potential but putting a stoner with 2 albums over LEGENDS who have made some of the most timeless songs and who have had longer careers with proven track records is a disgrace.

http://www.rollingstone.c...p?pid=2849
[This message was edited Fri Apr 9 11:53:44 2004 by SylvesterStalloneMJ]

May I also add that Kurt has a good emotional voice but zero vocal versatility, his voice cracks in some of his songs. MJ, Prince, and Madonna have crystal clear voices and the ability to sing a more diverse set of songs than Kurt ever could...

SylvesterStalloneMJ said:

Yes, yes and yes. I believe Nirvana to be one of the most overrated bands in the past 20 years. Everything they did had been done before (fuck the system? depressed? alienated? wow, such nouveau concepts there!). They rode the grunge wave but where is grunge today? Prince, MJ and Madonna have had incredible influence on today's pop music.

Madonna ain't a great singer but she can be very good when she wants to (Ray Of Light).

Another hilarious thing: U2 comes in AHEAD of Prince. WTF?????
[This message was edited Fri Apr 9 13:48:06 2004 by VoicesCarry]

Consider the source of the list, and what that publication has become in the last dozen years. At least.

Supernova said:

kurt was a genius, IMO, but I agree he didnt need to be on that list above MJ, etc...

the list was faulty to begin with-where's jackie wilson...t-bone walker..
etta james...ruth brown...the clovers...i'm a beatles fan but how fdoes john rank on the list and paul deosn't? sorry rolling stone guys but paul WAS and is
the better singer..better musician (john admitted these two facts himself)
and if these guys didn't know george and paul taught john the correct way to play guitar...he wrote great lyrics...but so did paul ...john's immortal but so is paul....no offense but madonna ain't an immortal.

popularity isn't the only barometer.
carl perkins? (one hell of a guitar player,right?)
kurt c was good but he's no immortal.
george clinton?
solomon burke?
lavern baker? (madonna can't carry her purse as a singer)
the flamingos?
booker t and the mg's?
isleys?

i rest my case.
the rolling stone judges can't even pick SQUAT.

I strongly agree...I'm tired of hearing how Kurt spoke for a displaced generation, blah..blah..blah....Can u tell me how a song named after deodarant..(Smells Like Teen Spirit)put words in the mouth of a voiceless society...don't forget the catchy little ditty "Rape Me"...yup, ol' Kurt really spoke volumes. Please save any posts lettin' me know jus' how outta touch I am wit' Kurt an' his lyrics...I actually enjoy Nirvana and their music..but if people wanna keep crammin' it down my throat jus' how profound this man supposedly was..I'm jus' gonna have to tell 'em to kiss a fat babys ass...

SylvesterStalloneMJ said:

Totally.

It's a trade off, you die needlessly, you're a legend.

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[This message was edited Sat Apr 10 7:49:25 2004 by JDINTERACTIVE]

I guess you have to be dead to prove that you really are immortal...

C'mon, the list isn't that bad. Here you can actually read each essay about each artist. http://www.rollingstone.c...p?pid=2900

Think of it this way, there are 26 artists ahead of all 4 of them, so chill.
Check out Britney's mind-blowing essay about Madonna. That's the real disgrace. Like, omigod!

1) The Beatles by Elvis Costello
2) Bob Dylan by Robbie Robertson
3) Elvis Presley by Bono
4) The Rolling Stones by Steven Van Zandt
5) Chuck Berry by Joe Perry
6) Jimi Hendrix by John Mayer
7) James Brown by Rick Rubin
8) Little Richard by Little Richard
9) Aretha Franklin by Jerry Wexler
10) Ray Charles by Van Morrison
11) Bob Marley by Wyclef Jean
12) The Beach Boys by Lindsey Buckingham
13) Buddy Holly by John Mellencamp
14) Led Zeppelin by David Grohl
15) Stevie Wonder by Elton John
16) Sam Cooke by Art Garfunkel
17) Muddy Watters by Billy Gibbons
18) Marvin Gaye by Smokey Robinson
19) The Velvet Underground by Julian Casablancas
20) Bo Diddley by Iggy Pop
21) Otis Redding by Steve Cropper
22) U2 by Chris Martin
23) Bruce Springsteen by Jackson Browne
24) Jerry Lee Lewis by Moby
25) Fats Domino by Dr. John
26) The Ramones by Lenny Kaye
27) Nirvana by Vernon Reid
28) Prince by Ahmir Thompson
29) The Who by Eddie Vedder
30) The Clash by The Edge
31) Johnny Cash by Kris Kristofferson
32) Smokey Robinson and the Miracles by Bob Seger
33) The Everly Brothers by Paul Simon
34) Neil Young by Flea
35) Michael Jackson by Antonio "LA" Reid
36) Madonna by Britney Spears
37)Roy Orbison by K.D. Lang
38) John Lennon by Lenny Kravitz
39) David Bowie by Lou Reed
40) Simon and Garfunkel by James Taylor
41) The Doors by Marilyn Manson
42) Van Morrison by Peter Wolf
43) Sly and the Family Stone by Don Was
44) Public Enemy by Adam Yauch
45) The Byrds by Tom Petty
46) Janis Joplin by Rosanne Cash
47) Patti Smith by Shirley Manson
48) Run-DMC by Chuck D
49) Elton John by Billy Joel
50) The Band by Lucinda Williams
[This message was edited Sat Apr 10 9:25:12 2004 by VinaBlue]

To be honest, I ain't mad with Rolling Stone's List. Of course, I'd switch Nirvana's and Prince's places on that list, but the list exist to have people talking. My problem with the list is one blaring omission, that being MILES DAVIS was nowhere to be found!!!

That whole list if F'd up. How the hell are they gonna put Dylan and the Beatles ahead of Elvis? Especially Dylan.

As someone already said though, that mag has zero credability today.

these bastards had to eat their own words when they saw the guitar riff-abliss on My guitar gently weeps
they didn't even put p in the 100 greatest guitars

F Rolling stone
they don't know shite

cobain an immortal? looks pretty dead to me.

i hate to even think of the day jack white dies. i can see the headline now. "MESSIAH DEAD; WORLD CAN OFFICIALLY END NOW."
[This message was edited Mon Apr 12 8:08:37 2004 by SleezyG]

SylvesterStalloneMJ said:

Madonna




has



a




crystal




clear






voice???!!!!

VinaBlue said:

I think the list is pretty good.

but who the hell let Britney Spears WRITE something anyway?!

minneapolisgenius said:

Did you read it?

VinaBlue said:

I could only get through half of it.


I'll try again later.
[This message was edited Mon Apr 12 12:17:26 2004 by minneapolisgenius]

Actually Vina, I got to the part where she mentions Shakira and Kelly Clarkson, dry heaved, and clicked off the link.

Bowie at 39

"Any live version of "Since I Been Loving You" will bring you to tears and fill you with joy all at once. Page doesn't just use his guitar as an instrument. For him, it's like some sort of emotional translator."



I love this man....

minneapolisgenius said:

They "picked up her moves."

What a studpid thing to say.

Mushanga said:

Ditto on that.

Jimmy, not Dave Grohl.

The first time I met her was when I flew to visit her at one of her shows in 2001. I walked into her dressing room, and her daughter, Lola, was there, and I felt really nervous. I said to Madonna, "Can I just hug you?" (1)I was so stupid! But she was so nice about it. (2)I would definitely not be here, doing what I'm doing, if it wasn't for Madonna. I remember being eight or nine years old, running around my living room singing and dancing and wanting so much to be like her. All my girlfriends still listen to her stuff. We're all mesmerized by her. (3)Madonna's stage presence has inspired so many artists -- you can see her influence in some of the younger generation like Kelly Clarkson and Shakira, who have picked up some of her moves.

As part of the generation that's coming up, you look at Madonna and you don't want to let her down. That's such a motivation for me. (4)I love doing what I do, but when Madonna comes around -- like when we were making the video for "Me Against the Music" -- it's like, "Everybody get your act together -- the godmother is here."


(1) Nothing's changed, Britney.

(2) You owe it all to

(3) Kelly Clarkson has moves? And Shakira can shake her ass well, but that's about it. Maybe she took her cue from J. Lo. Also, that Britney believes these women have "moves" explains the atrocious dancing that dominates the Onyx Hotel Tour.

(4) When Britney comes around: "Everybody get the mime track, the hair extensions and a bottle of scotch! The no-talent dumbass is here!"

VoicesCarry said:

Her commentary reads like an elementary school essay. It really does show where Britney is coming from though. She really thinks this is all about "moves" and hairstyles. She has no concept of music, except that other people write it for her. I could write a better essay about Madonna and her impact and why she would be immortal. (Better yet, you, DavidEye, Chico319, etc.)

Just be thankful Prince made the list.

VinaBlue said:

wow, that read like a fifth grader's "what i did on my summer vacation" essay. it's so sad.