VoicesCarry said: Sinister said: Only a small percentage of those songs you listed are "Great" Lyrically....Musically there are great tracks but it's about "Quality not Quanity" Pretty much my sentiment earlier on in this thread. He's written some great stuff, but he's not one of the top 20 of ALL TIME. Michael is definately in Top 5..PERIOD...He is just perfect when it comes to songwriting-composing...His lyrics are superb..PERIOD ...His story-telling is amazing(BillieJean) and you gotta listen to JAM from dangerous...lyrics belong to him...No need to metion his UNREAL melodies(smooth criminal is one of my favs) I want to remind you that he has written a poem book in 1992(I think) called Dancing The Dream or something like that JAM Nation to nation all the world must come 2 gether Face the problems that we see then Maybe somehow we can work it out I asked my neighbor for a favour she said later What has come of all the people Have we lost love or what its about? I just want you to recognize me in the temple You cant hurt me I found the peace in my life Go with it go with JAM GENIOUS !! | |
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LightOfArt said: VoicesCarry said: Pretty much my sentiment earlier on in this thread. He's written some great stuff, but he's not one of the top 20 of ALL TIME. Michael is definately in Top 5..PERIOD...He is just perfect when it comes to songwriting-composing...His lyrics are superb..PERIOD ...His story-telling is amazing(BillieJean) and you gotta listen to JAM from dangerous...lyrics belong to him...No need to metion his UNREAL melodies(smooth criminal is one of my favs) I want to remind you that he has written a poem book in 1992(I think) called Dancing The Dream or something like that JAM Nation to nation all the world must come 2 gether Face the problems that we see then Maybe somehow we can work it out I asked my neighbor for a favour she said later What has come of all the people Have we lost love or what its about? I just want you to recognize me in the temple You cant hurt me I found the peace in my life Go with it go with [color=red:e07ff314d5]JAM[/color] GENIOUS !! Dude, I love Madonna but I'm not gonna put her in the top 20 songwriters slot simply because of that. I think your Michael obsession is confusing your judgement. Those lyrics sounded like they were ripped from Janet's RN1814 album two years earlier. And they aren't very profound, just more "we must come together" tripe, which is a common subject for Michael. And "Smooth Criminal" is IMHO one of the most dated of Michael's tracks. | |
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WildStyle said: DavidEye said: No offense,but I think it's silly to add Michael Jackson to this list.Yes,he has written some great pop songs,but I don't see him as this amazing lyricist.Most of the songs he has written are "poppy" and fun,but not really profound ("Billie Jean" is a notable exception).
Bullsh*t. I don't think songs like Stranger In Moscow, Who Is It and Will You Be There are "poppy and fun". Even if all of his songs were "poppy and fun" (which they aren't) why would he be excluded? You don't have to write "profound" material to be a great songwriter. The Way You Make Me Feel is "poppy and fun", but is it not a great song? There are people on these lists who have never wrote a "profound" song in there life. I understand what you're saying and I would agree with you that MJ has written some good songs.However,I just think it's silly to place him on a list with people like Gamble and Huff and Burt Bacharach.Those are people who have written classics ,songs that will live on forever.For all of his success as an entertainer,MJ was never as prolific and creative as those people,when it comes to the art songwriting.I mean,let's be honest,how many songs has he actually written for other artists? And how many of those songs can rightfully be called "classics"? "Muscles" by Diana Ross? "Centipede" by Rebbie Jackson? I don't think so. Also,many of the songwriters on my list (Rod Temperton,Paul McCartney,Stevie Wonder,Smokey Robinson,Gamble and Huff,Freddie Perrin,Babyface,etc) are actually responsible for some of MJ's most -loved songs... "Who's Loving You" written by Smokey Robinson "Rock With You" written by Rod Temperton "Enjoy Yourself" written by Gamble and Huff "I Can't Help It" written by Stevie Wonder "Girlfriend" written by Paul McCartney "Gone Too Soon" written by Babyface Don't get me wrong,I know MJ is capable of writing great songs but I just feel he's gotten lazy in recent years.On 'Invincible',there are only about two songs that he wrote all by himself. [This message was edited Tue Apr 20 4:51:43 2004 by DavidEye] | |
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MJ's most -loved songs...
"Who's Loving You" written by Smokey Robinson "Rock With You" written by Rod Temperton "Enjoy Yourself" written by Gamble and Huff "I Can't Help It" written by Stevie Wonder "Girlfriend" written by Paul McCartney "Gone Too Soon" written by Babyface Mjs most-loved songs are written solely by himself dontstop,billie jean, beat it, smooth criminal, bad, way u make me feel, black or white, heal the world, who is it, earth song, they dont care about us, stranger in moscow etc etc... Those are all masterpieces and legendary classics...after 1000 years people will still be listening to them....I think michael can do everything he wants...he is definately one of the most talented artists of all time...He can do what those people can do in those lists and he can do what nobody else can...PERIOD!!! (VoicesCarry how the fuck you say i have MJ OBSESSION you dont fucking know me man! I am just telling what the truth is...I think its you guys anti-mj(or extreme Prince) obsession that confuses your judgements...) | |
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It is not me who gave the artist of the century and millenium awards to MJ...they are music experts who awarded him...just to remind you, not the singer or dancer of the millenium...ARTIST of the millenium which includes, singing,writing,performing etc etc...
And listeners have voted MJs billie jean,black or white,beat it in the top 100 best songs ever.he is the only one with 3 songs on the list..does that make sense?..and just to remind you all those songs are completely written by him...Got the point? [This message was edited Tue Apr 20 6:06:24 2004 by LightOfArt] | |
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oooh, this is getting good! high drama on the org! | |
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my favorite songwriters:
Nick Cave Jim Morrison Jimmy Page Robert Plant Prince Bon Scott John Fogerty Bruce Springsteen Axl Rose Mick Jagger/Keith Richards Chris Isaak Beck Chuck D Jimi Hendrix Tom Waits Carlos Santana | |
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LightOfArt said: It is not me who gave the artist of the century and millenium awards to MJ...they are music experts who awarded him...just to remind you, not the singer or dancer of the millenium...ARTIST of the millenium which includes, singing,writing,performing etc etc...
And listeners have voted MJs billie jean,black or white,beat it in the top 100 best songs ever.he is the only one with 3 songs on the list..does that make sense?..and just to remind you all those songs are completely written by him...Got the point? [This message was edited Tue Apr 20 6:06:24 2004 by LightOfArt] BWAHAHAHAHA dude you really think the World Music Awards has any artistic merit? "Music experts"? LMAO BTW, here are five who have made a MUCH bigger contribution to the craft, and to whom Michael owes a LOT: 1. HDH 2. Ashford & Simpson 3. Smokey Robinson 4. Lennon/McCartney 5. STEVIE WONDER [This message was edited Tue Apr 20 10:23:47 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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SassyFras said: oooh, this is getting good! high drama on the org!
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VoicesCarry said: LightOfArt said: It is not me who gave the artist of the century and millenium awards to MJ...they are music experts who awarded him...just to remind you, not the singer or dancer of the millenium...ARTIST of the millenium which includes, singing,writing,performing etc etc...
And listeners have voted MJs billie jean,black or white,beat it in the top 100 best songs ever.he is the only one with 3 songs on the list..does that make sense?..and just to remind you all those songs are completely written by him...Got the point? [This message was edited Tue Apr 20 6:06:24 2004 by LightOfArt] BWAHAHAHAHA dude you really think the World Music Awards has any artistic merit? "Music experts"? LMAO BTW, here are five who have made a MUCH bigger contribution to the craft, and to whom Michael owes a LOT: 1. HDH 2. Ashford & Simpson 3. Smokey Robinson 4. Lennon/McCartney 5. STEVIE WONDER [This message was edited Tue Apr 20 10:23:47 2004 by VoicesCarry] LMAO too...you know the ones involved in AMA and WORLD.M.A. then? Bambi Awards too? Yeah right they should have asked you first Tell me are you the ghost of jelousy | |
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LightOfArt said: VoicesCarry said: BWAHAHAHAHA dude you really think the World Music Awards has any artistic merit? "Music experts"? LMAO BTW, here are five who have made a MUCH bigger contribution to the craft, and to whom Michael owes a LOT: 1. HDH 2. Ashford & Simpson 3. Smokey Robinson 4. Lennon/McCartney 5. STEVIE WONDER [This message was edited Tue Apr 20 10:23:47 2004 by VoicesCarry] LMAO too...you know the ones involved in AMA and WORLD.M.A. then? Bambi Awards too? Yeah right they should have asked you first Tell me are you the ghost of jelousy Well, if the World Music Awards say so, it MUST be true! And tell me why I should be jealous of Michael Jackson. Please, get a new line. I thought "y'all jealous of _____" was only used on Ricki Lake. [This message was edited Tue Apr 20 10:45:56 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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VoicesCarry said: LightOfArt said: LMAO too...you know the ones involved in AMA and WORLD.M.A. then? Bambi Awards too? Yeah right they should have asked you first Tell me are you the ghost of jelousy Well, if the World Music Awards say so, it MUST be true! And tell me why I should be jealous of Michael Jackson. Please, get a new line. I thought "y'all jealous of _____" was only used on Ricki Lake. [This message was edited Tue Apr 20 10:45:56 2004 by VoicesCarry] What made you think "Tell me are you the ghost of jelousy" was for you? The picture up there is from the mini movie for Ghosts the song which have the lyrics "Tell me are you the ghost of jelousy"... | |
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LightOfArt said: VoicesCarry said: Well, if the World Music Awards say so, it MUST be true! And tell me why I should be jealous of Michael Jackson. Please, get a new line. I thought "y'all jealous of _____" was only used on Ricki Lake. [This message was edited Tue Apr 20 10:45:56 2004 by VoicesCarry] What made you think "Tell me are you the ghost of jelousy" was for you? The picture up there is from the mini movie for Ghosts the song which have the lyrics "Tell me are you the ghost of jelousy"... Misinterpretation | |
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VoicesCarry said: LightOfArt said: What made you think "Tell me are you the ghost of jelousy" was for you? The picture up there is from the mini movie for Ghosts the song which have the lyrics "Tell me are you the ghost of jelousy"... Misinterpretation | |
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This is very awkward to decide in my opinion...
I do enjoy listening to The Beatles etc and so to some extent would like to say Lennon/ McCartney or Harrison (I think Harrison was the better of these) but then again much of their lyrical content seemed to be random drug-fueled nonsense (I still enjoy it though!) Prince is an obvious choice hands down, after years of beautiful and memorable music. Neil Hannon of The Divine Comedy... if you ever get a chance to hear his stuff then please do, if not look up some Divine Comedy lyrics they are beautiful and captivating. I would also like to include the 80s British SKA band Madness (who I was virtually breast fed!) their songs were never really taken seriously because they were 'mad' but if you look deeper into the lyrics and at their later stuff certainly (such as Yesterdays Men) you will see outstanding musical and lyrical ability. JaneyPoos used to be it... then they changed what it was. Now what I am isn't it and what is it is strange and frightening to me...
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theVelvetRoper said: JDINTERACTIVE said: I must say I'm rather surprised that Van Morrison has failed to make anyone's list thus far.
They definitely deserve a mention. | |
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shyt has nothing to do with artistry MJ just pulls ratings i think every damn music award show cept the coutry awards has paid tribute to MJ
sometimes i think its overated and i just look at P say "i play 34 instruments and i still gets no love" MJ is an Artist a good one at that but his Predecesors paved the way for him if there wasnta camel alk u wasnt getting a moon walk same goes for Prince Shyt MJ has to recollect the African tribes beating their drums during 1600s but i must say Alot and i mean ALOT of people Copy off of MJ sheet yet the persons who win the grammy's usually sound like prince lol outkast alicia keys etc... ironic... | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: shyt has nothing to do with artistry MJ just pulls ratings i think every damn music award show cept the coutry awards has paid tribute to MJ
sometimes i think its overated and i just look at P say "i play 34 instruments and i still gets no love" MJ is an Artist a good one at that but his Predecesors paved the way for him if there wasnta camel alk u wasnt getting a moon walk same goes for Prince Shyt MJ has to recollect the African tribes beating their drums during 1600s but i must say Alot and i mean ALOT of people Copy off of MJ sheet yet the persons who win the grammy's usually sound like prince lol outkast alicia keys etc... ironic... Hehe...the thing is you can copy Prince and look cool but If you copy MJs style or music u dont look that great do you? I mean he is impossible to copy I think! Look at J. Timberlake everbody can tell he is an mj copycat.coz mj is one in a billion and very different so you can see it easily if someone copies him!..JT even wears his gloves,hats etc etc...He even tried to do Off The Wall millenium and got couple of awards 4 that...Oh and Alicia Keys said on TRL MJ inspired him too! | |
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LightOfArt said: Luv4oneanotha said: shyt has nothing to do with artistry MJ just pulls ratings i think every damn music award show cept the coutry awards has paid tribute to MJ
sometimes i think its overated and i just look at P say "i play 34 instruments and i still gets no love" MJ is an Artist a good one at that but his Predecesors paved the way for him if there wasnta camel alk u wasnt getting a moon walk same goes for Prince Shyt MJ has to recollect the African tribes beating their drums during 1600s but i must say Alot and i mean ALOT of people Copy off of MJ sheet yet the persons who win the grammy's usually sound like prince lol outkast alicia keys etc... ironic... Hehe...the thing is you can copy Prince and look cool but If you copy MJs style or music u dont look that great do you? I mean he is impossible to copy I think! Look at J. Timberlake everbody can tell he is an mj copycat.coz mj is one in a billion and very different so you can see it easily if someone copies him!..JT even wears his gloves,hats etc etc...He even tried to do Off The Wall millenium and got couple of awards 4 that...Oh and Alicia Keys said on TRL MJ inspired him too! Nice Pic | |
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VoicesCarry I got some pix u would enjoy:
I think its early 90ies | |
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LightOfArt said: [color=blue:5d05e01d08]VoicesCarry[/color] I got some pix u would enjoy:
I think its early 90ies Didn't Madonna try to Seduce him and MJ refused so she called him a space alien Who could blame him tho? who knows how many Std's she had at the time Wrap it up! | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: LightOfArt said: [color=blue:5d05e01d08]VoicesCarry[/color] I got some pix u would enjoy:
I think its early 90ies Didn't Madonna try to Seduce him and MJ refused so she called him a space alien Who could blame him tho? who knows how many Std's she had at the time Wrap it up! Did she really say that ?? | |
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LightOfArt said: Luv4oneanotha said: Didn't Madonna try to Seduce him and MJ refused so she called him a space alien Who could blame him tho? who knows how many Std's she had at the time Wrap it up! Did she really say that ?? i think it was "space alien freak" but u never know | |
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Madonna tried to seduce MJ,but he just giggled like a little kid and wasn't able to "rise to the occasion",if you know what I mean
He knows he couldn't handle a woman like Madonna...lol | |
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Sinister said: WildStyle said: Songs written or co-written by Michael Jackson:
With The Jacksons: Blues Away Style Of Life (co-written) Different Kind Of Lady (co-written) Do What You Wanna (co-written) Push Me Away (co-written) Things I Do For You (co-written) Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground) (co-written) Destiny (co-written) Bless His Soul (co-written) All Night Dancin' (co-written) That's What You Get For Being Polite (co-written) Can You Feel It (co-written) Lovely One (co-written) Everybody (co-written) This Place Hotel Walk Right Now (co-written) Give It Up (co-written) Be Not Always State Of Shock Solo: Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough Workin' Day And Night Get On The Floor (co-written) Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' The Girl Is Mine Beat It Billie Jean We Are Here To Change The World (co-written) Bad The Way You Make Me Feel Speed Demon Liberian Girl Another Part Of Me I Just Can't Stop Loving You Dirty Diana Smooth Criminal Leave Me Alone Streetwalker Fly Away Jam In The Closet (co-written) She Drives Me Wild (co-written) Remember The Time (co-written) Can't Let Her Get Away (co written) Heal The World Black Or White Who Is It Give In To Me (co-written) Will You Be There Keep The Faith (co-written) Dangerous (co-written) Someone Put Your Hand Out (co-written) Mind Is The Magic Scream (co-written) They Don't Care About Us Stranger In Moscow This Time Around Earth Song D.S. Money Childhood Tabloid Junkie (co-written) 2 Bad HIStory (co-written) Little Susie Blood On The Dance Floor (co-written) Morphine Superfly Sister (co-written) Ghosts (co-written) Is It Scary (co-written) Unbreakable (co-written) Heartbreaker (co-written) Invincible (co-written) Break Of Dawn (co-written) Heaven Can Wait (co-written) You Rock My World (co-written) Speechless 2000 Watts (co-written) You Are My Life (co-written) Privacy (co-written) Don't Walk Away (co-written) The Lost Children Whatever Happens (co-written) Threatened (co-written) For Other Artists: Latoya Jackson - Night Time Lover (co-written) The Brothers Johnson – This Had To Be (co-written) Diana Ross – Muscles Paul McCartney (Featuring Michael Jackson) – Say Say Say (co-written) Paul McCartney (Featuring Michael Jackson) – The Man (co-written) Rebbie Jackson – Centipede Johnny Mathis – Love Never Felt So Good (co-written) Greg Phillinganes – Behind The Mask (co-written) USA For Africa – We Are The World (co-written) Jennifer Holiday – You’re The One Diana Ross – Eaten Alive (co-written) Ralph Tresvant – Alright Now (co-written) The Simpsons – Do The Bartman Safire – I Never Heard (co-written) Blackstreet – Joy (co-written) The Simpsons – Happy Birthday Lisa J-Friends – Children’s Holiday J-Friends – People Of The World Various Artists – What More Can I Give Total Songs: 102 Written Solely By Michael Jackson: 47 Co-written: 55 --- I would say he qualifies Only a small percentage of those songs you listed are "Great" Lyrically....Musically there are great tracks but it's about "Quality not Quanity" In which case how do alot of the ppl get inc in ppl's lists - eg Prince has wrote a shitload of songs but only a handful are true classics and majority are absolute tripe, so how does he qualify? surely it's a personal thing? and enuff with the MJ bashing it gets sooooo tired | |
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DavidEye said: Madonna tried to seduce MJ,but he just giggled like a little kid and wasn't able to "rise to the occasion",if you know what I mean
He knows he couldn't handle a woman like Madonna...lol Oh I heard a diffrent story - that he thought she was a dirty heffer and wouldnt touch her with a barge pole & that such a dirty cheap bitch would think he'd be interested - thats the 'story' i heard ..... | |
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DavidEye said: Madonna tried to seduce MJ,but he just giggled like a little kid and wasn't able to "rise to the occasion",if you know what I mean
He knows he couldn't handle a woman like Madonna...lol Michael has the heart of a child. Look at him: | |
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kremlinshadow said: Sinister said: Only a small percentage of those songs you listed are "Great" Lyrically....Musically there are great tracks but it's about "Quality not Quanity" In which case how do alot of the ppl get inc in ppl's lists - eg Prince has wrote a shitload of songs but only a handful are true classics and majority are absolute tripe, so how does he qualify? surely it's a personal thing? and enuff with the MJ bashing it gets sooooo tired I'm sayin'. | |
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kremlinshadow said: DavidEye said: Madonna tried to seduce MJ,but he just giggled like a little kid and wasn't able to "rise to the occasion",if you know what I mean
He knows he couldn't handle a woman like Madonna...lol Oh I heard a diffrent story - that he thought she was a dirty heffer and wouldnt touch her with a barge pole & that such a dirty cheap bitch would think he'd be interested - thats the 'story' i heard ..... No normal straight man would have turned down the chance to sleep with Madonna,especially during this period (early 90s),when she was wild and outrageous.But we now know that there is nothing "normal" about Michael,anyway...lol.. | |
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DavidEye said: kremlinshadow said: Oh I heard a diffrent story - that he thought she was a dirty heffer and wouldnt touch her with a barge pole & that such a dirty cheap bitch would think he'd be interested - thats the 'story' i heard ..... No normal straight man would have turned down the chance to sleep with Madonna,especially during this period (early 90s),when she was wild and outrageous.But we now know that there is nothing "normal" about Michael,anyway...lol.. Well he f*cked Lisa Marie. That we know for sure. She admits it herself, and she hates MJ now. | |
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