endorphin74 said:

remember when designers started making high fashion grunge? there were all these models on the catwalk wearing flannel and stilettos, trying to look sexy and strung out at the same time. That was when "heroin chic" was 'in'. so crazy. i was glad to see that go. there's nothing chic about heroin.

One of the most infuential bands of the late 80's and early 90's was the Pixies. Even Kurt Cobain himself said "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was nothing more than a blatant Pixies ripoff.

The Pixies' sound was years ahead of its time. Had they not broken up and came along a few years later who knows how big they could have been. Even now, when you hear bands like The White Stripes and Jet they sound a lot like watered down Pixie music.

In my opinion GnR were a great band in 1988..by th e time Nirvana came on the scene to the masses, GnR were already overblown and bloated etc. Nirvana just let folks realize that.

You didn't like "Don't Cry" & "November Rain" from "Use your Illusion"? How were they bloated?

Why was it that Nirvana and GnR couldn't coexist? It's like Nirvana just wiped them off the face of the earth once Nevermind hit it big. I remember Kurt dissed Axl big time by refusing to tour with GnR....

Guns N Roses used to be a great band. It's a bit unfair that Nirvana destroyed the momentum they had in the early 90's. They were the biggest rock band in the world until Nirvana came.

I was thinking about this. It's not a particular reason. Some people just didn't like them as much as others.

Here is my take on Nirvana. Sure there were other grunge bands and tons of punk bands before them... and after... His voice is beautiful and painful at the same time. His melodies make me feel a certain way. Hard to explain. I'm not a punk fan, so I haven't heard it all before. I can see how someone who has heard it all wouldn't think much of Nirvana. Perhaps they were too soft.

So they sold a lot of records. Does that make them sell outs? Nope. It just means they were able to connect with a lot of people. They had something that touched a lot of people. Sure he wasn't the greatest guitar player, but what he wrote and how he played had SO much feeling that it went straight to the heart and soul of a lot of people WITHOUT PROMOTION. Nowadays crap gets popular because it gets rammed down your throat. Please, Nirvana is at least better than Creed, right?

And lots of people thought they were great before he died. Lots of people still listen to the music. In 10 more years are people still gonna say he wasn't relevant? Did they say that about Jim Morrison? Its the same kinda thing. There is something intangible in the intervals that are used in the melodies. I've been listening to Nirvana all week, something I haven't done since he died. It's been really hard for me to play their cds, but I couldn't get rid of them.

VinaBlue said:

VinaBlue, you took the words right out of my mouth...thank you. I think I just might dig up In Utero....one of my favorite albums of all time, which unfortunately is too painful to listen to most of the time.

VinaBlue said:

VinaBlue, you took the words right out of my mouth...thank you. I think I just might dig up In Utero....one of my favorite albums of all time, which unfortunately is too painful to listen to most of the time.

In Utero! Damn, STILL one of my favorites as well!

I defintely think Kurt was the John Lennon of his time. People can flame me all they want, but in another 10 years, he will have the reverence Lennon has now. You'll hear orchestras playing "Heart Shaped Box" and stuff like that. Cobain wrote, played, and sang from the heart and when you get someone who can do that it's amazing and it makes people EVERYWHERE take notice. Just look at the great breadth of people who love Nirvana: Mary J. Blige, Sting, all sorts of metal bands, that jazz piano trio The Bad Plus. Nirvana are much like the Beatles in that their music is and will still be timeless. It's unfortunate that because of Kurt's suicide and because of the way the industry is nowadays that they didn't get to release more material.

VH-1:Now that you've gained that sort of success, what do you hope will happen next?

Kurt: That we are able to sustain ourselves, to put out another really good record, and hopefully to progress. I really want to change our style of music. I don't wanna turn into a prog rock band, but I wanna do something different, really different. I wanna have enough guts to do that, and if it alienates people that's too bad. But the Beatles went from -- not to compare us to the Beatles -- but the Beatles went from "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" to Sgt. Pepper's. That was a massive progression. I just wanna experiment.

Nirvana will be remembered and deservedyt so for being the band that closed the door of the silly makeup overvblown stage high hair metal era...they opened the awareness that the 80's were basically Spinal Tap in real life. Many other seminal bands as Nirvana were onto that as well ( most of th epunk scene pre and popst hair metal) but it was Nirvana who got all of the shine and broke through completely first. For that, they deserve any accolades they get imo.

They ruined Motley Crues, Guns n Roses, Warrants, Skid Rows, Slaughters, Posins's et. al carrers

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