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PrintableVoicesCarry said: I hope he just doesn't "settle" again, because it will look bad.
I think in 1994 he wasn't ready to go through "a long drawn-out case, like OJ" but MJ's gonna have to dead it this time by going the tougher route. MJ doesn't seem interested in "settling" it like that this time. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Luv4oneanotha said: Child sex Child Rape are infact part of Child Molestation but this is not the area Jackson is being Accussed of the accusers made sure that the allegations did not corroborate with sexual intercourse because of the liability that they could get caught In both Cases allegations do not state that Jackson had Sexual Intercourse I.E. raped them in both allegations it was claimed that Jackson Fondled them and Performed Fellatio on them these devious acts Cannot be Proven with material evidence and Since this the minor did not Deny the accuser its no longer rape its called "misconduct with a minor" having nothing to do with sex anymore whenever somebody says that MJ raped or had sex with kids they know nothing of the cases because in both cases allegations where fondling and oral sex thats when theirs no forensic proof sorry if you misunderstood me Yes it is possible to prove Sexual Abuse Many methods Forensics Wittnesses Letters markings on bodies ect.. you are correct i don't disagree with you their but when it comes to cases like this which has no chemical evidence, no physical evidence no wittnesses its sole existence is only on Discovery(Investigation) and testimony of said child whether doing the testimony thee Judge feels that the child is being scripted on what to say then the cases are thrown out, but thats only on what the judge suspeects But i agree with you their have been probably countless of times where the child was not believed because of lack of evidence and yet the child was telling the truth i agree with you I agree with you but we have no way of knowing what evidence they have or don't have this time around. Highly unlikely much forensic evidence on the kid, but they could have photos, videos (they took MJ's computers), or forensic evidence of some sort in the house itself. It's unknown. I'm going to wait and see. I hope he just doesn't "settle" again, because it will look bad. Never disagreed with you about MJ  .From the research ive done i can tel that the D.A.'s Investigation has left him no where he has no evidence thats why he's going through a "Grand Jury" to indict mj like he did before he's already held 4 searches on mjs different property which means he is still lookin for formidable evidence he even searched MJ's producers Estate Legal Experts say that the D.A. is getting desperet this time MJ was prepared for the allegations he's been gathering evidence since march of last year preparing a case, thats why MJ has been confident ect... He can Use this case to undue alot of damage done to his image If Mj proves he's innocent , it will make alot of people shut up Mj was 8 steps ahead of the D.A. What im afraid of is The D.A. is going to do something dirty cause he's being investigated for Civil rights violation and Dirtying the jury pool of a previous case don't need him currupting the jury pool but its pretty simple to a lawyer that the two cases are identical the 2 accusers came about it the same way they both went to a lawyer a lawyer suggested them to a psychiatrist the psychiatrist alerted the police its gone through a third party now tell me if your child told you MJ touched him would you go straight to the police? or to a lawyer ? then file a Civil Suit then tell the police to file a Criminal Suit In a Civil Suit their asking for 25 million dollars in damages? C'mon now and they got the same lawyer? somethings fishy | |
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My opinion on this matter is based on the first allegation and the eventual settlement....I am hardly a MJ supporter or fan...but I have a hard time believing it happened...If MJ or anybody else had "messed" wit' your child, would any amount of money settled the issue?? I can only speak for myself, but money would not solve the problem...I can't see any carin' parent puttin' monetary gain over their childs well-being....so, that bein' said..I think he's innocent..maybe I'm wrong..but I'll give him benefit of the doubt.....He really should re-think some of his actions though....u can only set yourself up for this kinda thing so many times...let the kids sleep in another room..... | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: somethings fishy
DUHHHHH!!!!! Can't you people see that the man's innocent, already??? They're OUT to get him!!!!! But in the end, he'll make it.  They did WHAT??!.... 
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roodboi said: My opinion on this matter is based on the first allegation and the eventual settlement....I am hardly a MJ supporter or fan...but I have a hard time believing it happened...If MJ or anybody else had "messed" wit' your child, would any amount of money settled the issue?? I can only speak for myself, but money would not solve the problem...I can't see any carin' parent puttin' monetary gain over their childs well-being....so, that bein' said..I think he's innocent..maybe I'm wrong..but I'll give him benefit of the doubt.....He really should re-think some of his actions though....u can only set yourself up for this kinda thing so many times...let the kids sleep in another room.....
Not to mention that Jordan Chandler refuses to testify. You would think he would want Mike behind bars so he couldn't harm another child if he was really molested. | |
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WildStyle said: roodboi said: My opinion on this matter is based on the first allegation and the eventual settlement....I am hardly a MJ supporter or fan...but I have a hard time believing it happened...If MJ or anybody else had "messed" wit' your child, would any amount of money settled the issue?? I can only speak for myself, but money would not solve the problem...I can't see any carin' parent puttin' monetary gain over their childs well-being....so, that bein' said..I think he's innocent..maybe I'm wrong..but I'll give him benefit of the doubt.....He really should re-think some of his actions though....u can only set yourself up for this kinda thing so many times...let the kids sleep in another room.....
Not to mention that Jordan Chandler refuses to testify. You would think he would want Mike behind bars so he couldn't harm another child if he was really molested. Jordy is a Damn Millionaire i don't think he really cares i don't blame him for what happened because he was a pawn being used hes 23 years old going on 24 lol hopefully his father didn't fuck him up raising him but if the father can come with a sinister scheme like this i think thats whats probably happened probably has some inner demons | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: WildStyle said: Not to mention that Jordan Chandler refuses to testify. You would think he would want Mike behind bars so he couldn't harm another child if he was really molested. Jordy is a Damn Millionaire i don't think he really cares i don't blame him for what happened because he was a pawn being used hes 23 years old going on 24 lol hopefully his father didn't fuck him up raising him but if the father can come with a sinister scheme like this i think thats whats probably happened probably has some inner demons Correction: Jordy's PARENTS are millionaires. Kid got nothing but a maladjusted life. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Correction: Jordy's PARENTS are millionaires. Kid got nothing but a maladjusted life.
I wouldn't imagine that Jordy lives the life of a pauper, though. | |
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the parents are millionaires yes but dont u think they will give there son a piece of the pie since he was the integral person in them getting the money
about the new allegations not only did the accuser go to a lawyer instead of the police they went to the same lawyer that settled the first case u mean out of the hundreds of lawyers practicing in there discrict they happen to go to feldman the same lawyer who settled the fist case cmon whats going on here also the d.a. is supposed to present the case he isnt supposed to actively seek a prosecution which is what hes obviously doing this tim sneddon makes me sick to my stomach love4oneanotha is right about the way blacks are treated here its a conspiracy the white man cant accept a black man being the king of pop im white as casper the firiendly ghost so noone here say just cause im black im now pissin and moaning and why has there been no media coverage about this book redemption thats probably a conspiracy to to keep people or possible jurers from reading the truth this book is a godsend and should clear michael if the right people read it love4oneanotha since you got expereience with lawyers do u like who hes got in his team or do u know much about them | |
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riverdean7 said: the parents are millionaires yes but dont u think they will give there son a piece of the pie since he was the integral person in them getting the money
about the new allegations not only did the accuser go to a lawyer instead of the police they went to the same lawyer that settled the first case u mean out of the hundreds of lawyers practicing in there discrict they happen to go to feldman the same lawyer who settled the fist case cmon whats going on here also the d.a. is supposed to present the case he isnt supposed to actively seek a prosecution which is what hes obviously doing this tim sneddon makes me sick to my stomach love4oneanotha is right about the way blacks are treated here its a conspiracy the white man cant accept a black man being the king of pop im white as casper the firiendly ghost so noone here say just cause im black im now pissin and moaning and why has there been no media coverage about this book redemption thats probably a conspiracy to to keep people or possible jurers from reading the truth this book is a godsend and should clear michael if the right people read it love4oneanotha since you got expereience with lawyers do u like who hes got in his team or do u know much about them MJ has got Geragos probably the top lawyer around these days he also has David Braffa who got puffy aquitted not to mention the other 3 lawyers in his team Feldman won't be able to come against geragos who is a mad dog in the courtroom Mj Has quite the team some people think that this case is not involved with any money not true! A Civil Suit for 15 million was filed Before the raid at mjs house, this was kept underwraps until a criminal suit came forward so it didn't seem like it was about money FYI Mj's is fighting 2 cases a civil suit, and a criminal suit(no double jeaopardy since they are different types of suits) one more money one for prison the D.A. Filed the criminal Suit(prison) the Mother Filed the Civil suit(money) Is this a shakedown? u tell me the settlement terms in 93 where 25 million (same price father offered jackson for a movie deal earlier on) 18 million was to be placed in a Jordy's Trust fund (which can be taken out with a legally signed form from jordy) the rest went to the father and him only the mother got diddly squat she wasnt involved afterwards the father wasted his money on failed movie projects in 96 decided to sue MJ over his history Double disc for songs like "this time around,they don't car eabout us,Money" claiming it was damaging to their mental state he filed a suit for 15 million the Judge threw the case out tried another lawsuit in 99 claiming that the songs were violation of the settlement contract from 94 case was thrown out Basically the father wasted his money on failed movie deals and lawsuits im sure jordy is living the life the father the real culprit is most likely broke since jordy became 18 in 98 lol he even paid a bad authur to write a book called "Michael jackson was my lover" lol claiming it was the memoirs of jordy chandler i read this book and cracked myself up! its more of a sick love story then a traumatized tale basically depicting his love for Michael Jackson and his love for his father lol Drawings of michaels "alleged" penis MJ sued Slander and stopped the prints but if you go to a gay porn bookstore im sure you'll find it lmfao it really is a site lol the very same authur stated he had a videotape of MJ having sex with a little boy claiming "his friend showed it to him" MJ filed 30 million dollar lawsuit courts Forced the authur to show up with the tape he did not com eup with the tape claiming "to respect the privacy of the mother" he had to pay the damages fee and the judged banned him from publishing anything in the united states or Uk whos this authur? Victor M. Gutierrez im tellin ya its HILARIOUS afterwards i sugest you burn it lol [This message was edited Mon Apr 12 1:38:08 2004 by Luv4oneanotha] [This message was edited Mon Apr 12 1:48:53 2004 by Luv4oneanotha] | |
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dude that sleazy book u were talking bout is by victor gure sorry i dont remember the last name but its starts with a g dont even bother reporting anything from it lol i used it once to wipe my ass when i ran out of toilet paper also bout the stettlement money the amount has never been revealed and im guessing only people involved in the case know the exact amount so how do u know
im just wonderingh dude | |
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riverdean7 said: dude that sleazy book u were talking bout is by victor gure sorry i dont remember the last name but its starts with a g dont even bother reporting anything from it lol i used it once to wipe my ass when i ran out of toilet paper also bout the stettlement money the amount has never been revealed and im guessing only people involved in the case know the exact amount so how do u know
im just wonderingh dude see , its good to read a book by the fathers lawyers legal secretary she printed up the documents... answer your question? got more? just go buy redemption lol | |
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jeez nice attitude i never knew it was in there obviously cause i dont recall u stating this anywhere in your articles and i havent been able to get a copy of the book and look here what i have read on a mj board regarding this book this is so wrong
Source: www.mjnewsonline.com/news...s-release/ The following Press Release was sent out to the media yesterday: Possible boycott of name-clearing book Michael Jackson fans demand answers RADFORD, Va. (April 8, 2004) – Unknown forces continue to hush the voice that could clear Michael Jackson of the 1993 child molestation allegations made against him. Redemption: The Truth Behind the Michael Jackson Child Molestation Allegations divulges facts about the case not previously made available to the public. Written by the sole legal secretary of the plaintiff’s attorney, Redemption reveals the fraudulent relationship and possible extortion scheme between complainant Dr. Evan Chandler and his attorney Barry Rothman. However, Geraldine Hughes’ accounts do not break attorney-client privilege. Under California Evidence Code 956, “there is no privilege under this article if the services of the lawyer were sought or obtained to enable or aid anyone to commit or plan to commit a crime or a fraud.” Since Redemption’s publication in January of this year, book sellers’ orders have been cancelled, bookstore chains proclaimed the book unavailable, and some online retailers made it difficult to find. Branch & Vine Publishers’ chief executive officer, James Armentrout, describes the situation as going from “confusion to frustration to determination.” “After gathering all the information, a clear picture has developed that there is a movement to suppress the book by an individual or individuals,” Armentrout said. “We are not the only ones to see this. Lots of fans have noticed and wrote about it on the Web. “We and others are looking into the matter to see what action needs to be taken. Not only are we determined to see that our product is treated fairly, but to get this information out so that it can aid in clearing Mr. Jackson’s name.” Despite being successfully sued for slander by Jackson in 1995, journalist Victor Gutierrez went on to write Michael Jackson Was My Lover, a supposed “secret diary” of Chandler’s then 13-year-old child. The book was, and still is, widely available in some independently-owned stores and online. So why does Redemption continue to run into so many walls? “It’s not that the book isn't selling,” Armentrout said. “We are getting orders from all over the world. Also, we are getting orders from several bookstores in the U.S. for customers that request the book be ordered. The problem is that the large retailers are not stocking it. Some even report that the book is out of print.” Jackson fans now demand answers. On a Jackson fan Web site, www.mjnewsonline.com, fans discuss the boycotting rumors. Anonymous responses include anywhere from “the bookstores don’t want to hear the truth” to “we need this book to be heard” to “let’s show the world they can’t do this.” Some fans even mention financially sponsoring a U.S. book tour. “I think it’s a disgrace and a conspiracy what’s happening with Geraldine’s book,” said Lesline McKenzie, a Jackson fan from Milan, Italy. Redemption can still be ordered directly from Branch & Vine. However, Armentrout aims to get the book stocked in stores in the near future. ABOUT REDEMPTION Geraldine Hughes, the sole legal secretary of Barry Rothman, comes forth to set the record straight about what really happened behind the scenes in the 1993 child molestation case against Michael Jackson. Redemption: The Truth Behind the Michael Jackson Child Molestation Allegations reveals facts that have never been made public, court documented information, public statements and records that Hughes insists prove Jackson’s innocence. Redemption is a modern-day mystery that requires a blow-by-blow, chapter-by-chapter unfolding for all the facts to be known and to redeem an innocent man’s character from the cloud of guilt that has been hanging over his head since 1993. Justice can only be served once the truth is told. For more information about Redemption and to order the book, visit www.redemption-michaeljac...tory.com/. ABOUT GERALDINE HUGHES Geraldine Hughes, a legal secretary for 23 years, worked for Barry Rothman in 1993. Although her goal is to become a full-time missionary, she has worked through a registry for the past three years as one of the top legal secretaries. ABOUT BRANCH & VINE PUBLISHERS Branch & Vine Publishers, located in Virginia, was started in 1995 and reformed as a LLC in January 2003. Two published authors formed Branch & Vine, which started as a small bulletin to promote their books and quickly evolved into a publishing company with several imprints. The imprints include two science fiction (Otherworlds Sci-Fi & Anvil-Mace) and one print on demand-POD (Ajalon Press). Branch & Vine seeks new voices in literature because they recognize the difficulties in gaining the attention of large publishing companies. All genres are accepted, except books based on hate or that are overly violent, sexual or demonic. Visit www.branchandvinepublishers.com or www.AjalonPress.com for more information. We have got the pic's contact from the Oprah show so Geraldine can go there and promote the book, please write them: Dianne Atkinson Hudson, Executive Producer Oprah Winfrey Show 110 N Carpenter St. Chicago, IL 60607-2104 ----- Diane Rappoport, Executive Producer The Montel Williams Show 433 West 53rd St. New York, NY 10019 We must do whatever so the people can know the truth, please do your best, this matter is in MJJForum in this post: www.mjjforum.com/forums/i...opic=28211 With more ideas to promote the book, please help! | |
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people would rather think mj is guilty
since he is so weird in society i mean look at him... he's a wreck nobody wants to except that they like him so they need a reason not to like him... and nose jobs and plastic surgery isnt the most moral to hate him for ... People hate michael jackson its sad, but true | |
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yep and brooke shields said something way back in 93 thats interesting she said regarding mj
that when people see genius it scares them so to make them feel better about themselves thy critisize also i think people dont understand him but instead of trying to people just ridicule him and i get the feeling people want to know him know what makes him tick but he doesnt really reveal anything about himself to let u get inside so this fustrates alot of people the bashir interview was really one of the first times ive seen mj stripped and naked to the world and bearing his soul but then look what bashir did to him and people wonder why he doesnt give interviews michael is definetly an enigma so love him or hate him people are waiting to see what happens next in the circus that is michael jackson | |
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riverdean7 said: yep and brooke shields said something way back in 93 thats interesting she said regarding mj
that when people see genius it scares them so to make them feel better about themselves thy critisize also i think people dont understand him but instead of trying to people just ridicule him and i get the feeling people want to know him know what makes him tick but he doesnt really reveal anything about himself to let u get inside so this fustrates alot of people the bashir interview was really one of the first times ive seen mj stripped and naked to the world and bearing his soul but then look what bashir did to him and people wonder why he doesnt give interviews michael is definetly an enigma so love him or hate him people are waiting to see what happens next in the circus that is michael jackson Brooke should know. After all, she went to Princeton. Even Dubya has an MBA. Classic Brooke quote: "I'm so naive about finances. Once when my mother mentioned an amount and I realized I didn't understand, she had to explain: 'That's like three Mercedes.' Then I understood." [This message was edited Mon Apr 12 17:59:24 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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riverdean7 said: yep and brooke shields said something way back in 93 thats interesting she said regarding mj
that when people see genius it scares them so to make them feel better about themselves thy critisize also i think people dont understand him but instead of trying to people just ridicule him and i get the feeling people want to know him know what makes him tick but he doesnt really reveal anything about himself to let u get inside so this fustrates alot of people the bashir interview was really one of the first times ive seen mj stripped and naked to the world and bearing his soul but then look what bashir did to him and people wonder why he doesnt give interviews michael is definetly an enigma so love him or hate him people are waiting to see what happens next in the circus that is michael jackson What bashir did to MJ was Foul even his collegue reporters in england, thought it was rather demeaning, but that goes to show ya reporters can't be trusted | |
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