I Use to think Mj was gulty untill my friend got me to read this book called "Redemption, The Truth Behind The Michael Jackson Child molestation allegations" now instead of being written by some wishy washy fans this was written by "Geraldine Hughes" She is L.A.'s top Legal secretary, she worke dwith "Barry Rothman" the Child who accused mj in 93's lawyer, she Explained the Deal between the lawyer the father and the psycologist! she also made the similarity with the current case
Its the Same Lawyer!
Its the Same psycologist
Same D.A
And it was presented the same way
Yo this book changed my views on MJ
I thought he was guilty but now im pretty much convinced he's not
For any of yall who think Mj is guilty I reccomend reading this book
the legal system is a shady one
Hurry "people" trying to get this book off the shelves
amazon Link...

http://www.amazon.com/exe...s&n=507846

Luv4oneanotha said:

Say whaaaaat???

Not to mention a certain drug that the father gave his son "Sodium Amytal" The truth serum
does the opposite can erase and inject memories into people...

yeah ive heard alot bout that book its great its a pty its taken this long for the truth to come out but if anyone thinks mj is guilty just read this book as michael said lies run sprints the truth runs marathons

Whether he's guilty of molesting a child or not - he deserves a clip round the bloody ear for behaving so irresponsibly and inappropriately. Someone in his camp ought to take him aside and tell him that it's not right for a grown man to sleep with children. There is no excuse.

adoreme said:

See thats what i thought , but that doesn't imply for a man like Michael Jackson
A Normal Person would think Devious thoughts
in this Society full of deciet and hate it is only right for someone to thinkits wrong
But as the authur said, untill the Molestation Case Mj has had an impeccable Record
No drugs no solicitating women, no heavy scandle's gives to thousands of charities
visits hospitals does so much good
and likes to spend his time with children? whats wrong with that?
He's stated that he slept on the floor while they slept in his bed
is that wrong?
Maybe in everybody elses twisted little head because we trust no one
so if mj was innocent? why did he settle?
first you have to know what a settlement is
a settlement is a solution to a conflict it is not an admission to guilt
just a solution
the settlement does not affect the case
if the D.A. found any credible evidence
they could indict Mj spite of the settlement
they had no credible evidence nor wittnesses
and since the settlement was made they had nothing
the book Xplains all this in intricate details
i didn't know this until now that they violated Mj's Civil Rights on 4 motions!
i was shocked!
the courts were siding with the accusers he had no choice to settle
his lawyers had to come up with a case within 2 month time period
hardly enough to show up a case to trial
so they settled...
think of it this way
It was a White 13 year boys word against a Black 33 year old mans word
who are the courts gonna back?
it always pays when your white..
read the book...

adoreme said:

I agree. He will just keep on getting himself into all this shite. I also think that either he is extremely dumb, in not caring what anyone thinks, or has the softest heart and is xtremely vunerable to being taken advatage off, making him the perfect target for "everything" and a surefire "cash cow" for many.

agentmonday said:

Exactly!! People wouldn't be able to "frame" him if he didn't put himself in this position in the first place.

Luv4oneanotha said:

I think it's ridiculous to start playing the race card on this one (particularly with Michael "doesn't matter if you're black or white but I prefer the pale and interesting look" Jackson involved.)

The simple fact is that Jackson does as he pleases and he does many things that put himself, his children and possibly other people's children in unhealthy and possibly damaging situations. He needs to realise that copious amounts of cash do not buy the right to behave any way you want.

I understand how upsetting it is for fans to face these allegations against Michael Jackson (I love his music too) but you really do have to stop making excuses for him.

Maybe he'll learn something this time around. Something suggests not, though.

DavidEye said:

Right on.
He wants 2 tour Africa now?....perhaps if he was doing that tour b4 and put all his efforts into making music he wouldn't have time 2 put himself into all the mess he has. When Invincible came out, he should've jumped at the idea of a tour. Even if he played small venues, it would have been a good change for him, being different to the norm he has done, and would have left busy with the music.
Some1 should tell him that there are other ways 2 help the world then hosting parties and sleepovers for kids, but I bet many are too afraid of losing their jobs. He is easy 2 be taken advantage off, and I can see why many would want him in court, as money can be made easily of this guy, and since many struggle to earn the dime that they do, I don't doubt that it has big motive for the accuser/s in question, but he does put himself out there for that sort of thing to happen. Furthermore, so much is at stake here for the reputations of the prosecuters involved.....and let's not forget, that whether innocent or guilty, sometimes they need 2 make an example of something and get their man/woman, no matter what it takes. This seems to be that case, and things don't look good 4 MJ. As a huge fan of his work (and i do luv some of the things he has done in music), I hope that he can walk away from all of this, but it really doesn't look good, and even if he does, he will probably get himself into this sort of predicament again.

His music has drawn people in, and I can't think of anyone else, who in his circumstance could even sell a copy of a dvd in shops, or be able to perform in front of thousands after being accused of molesting a child (referring to the first accusation in 1993) He has an incredible gift, and his music and what he does on stage have incredible power, and have meant so much 2 the ppl who like/d his music.....perhaps he doesn't understand this part enough...or he would think more about the music than anything else....and that includes his ideas of directing movies.

adoreme said:

How absurd
you think im a fan?
i us eto be one of the biggest MJ bashers of my life?
im just tellin you the facts
im not makingexcuses for anything?
The Race CARD?
EVERYTHINGS THE RACE CARD!
Think about it!
OJ, RODNEY KING!,R.KELLY,P.DIDDY,MJ
these are just recent men?
The Police are keeping taps on black rappers?
is this a coincidence?
MJ may have skin of porcelian but he's still a black man !and the united states has been victimizing black men since Slavery
The D.A whos trying MJ's case is under investigation of Civil Rights violation! in a previous case with a black lawyer?
Its only ignorant of you to see theirs no discrimination here
Your telling me if a white person was in MJ's shoes the absolute same thing happens?
No! your insane cause it has happen to white celebs
but for some reason that doesn't get much coverage
the courts keep it
"Hush Hush" Woody Allen, Kelsey Grammer,Jason alexander and so on
Not many people know about their cases nor do they care but EVERYBODY cares if its mj
When it comes to Our legalsystem you have no other choice but to think racism
this legal system has sent approx 2000 men to jail that have been falsely accused
70% of them were of ethnic background
they have executed more then 400 innocent young men and women majority were minorities
They Can Blame OJ simpson for his WHITE wifes murder
but they can't find out who killed Biggy and Tupac's Murder?
Dave Chappele said it "Nicole Simpson Can't Rap, I wan't Justice!"
The United States Legal system is probably the most currupt system in the world
more currupt then the catholic church (im not getting in2 that)
now if you Don't believe that , why don't U check out the facts yourself
just use google or just read the book
im not a fan of mj but now im considering to be one

Abraham Lincoln was a racist who said
"U cannot escape from history"
[This message was edited Thu Apr 8 14:12:29 2004 by Luv4oneanotha]

Luv4oneanotha said:

If you knew how many people get away with sexual abuse because the kid isn't believed, you wouldn't say that.

Luv4oneanotha said:

The police are keeping files on SOME black rappers primarily because of the MURDERS and SHOOTINGS that have been going on for over a decade now within that community. They want to know what kind of stupid rivalries the label heads and artists have this month. They do the same thing for a biker gang.

Also, while I believe you have a point, P. Diddy and R. Kelly are not innocent men. And Woody Allen certainly wasn't "hush hush"! That ruined his reputation.

I think that in this instance it is more the stigma of the homosexual contact that is affecting Michael. If you look at R. Kelly, they're dismissing evidence right and left, letting him tour, go anywhere he wants, etc. He's selling more now than he ever did. That's because he screwed a teenage GIRL.
[This message was edited Thu Apr 8 14:32:28 2004 by VoicesCarry]

VoicesCarry said:

it really doesn't matter in that this case
because the kid WAS BELIEVED BY EVERRRRRYBody
everybody took the kids statement hook line and sinker
now i retort to you
do you know how many Men and Women and PArents Went to Jail
Be Falsely Accused by Children?
thousandS!
the problem with Molestation Cases is that you can't prove anything its basically by word of mouth
but EXTREMELY rare do they not believe the child probably 1 in a million
go do the research
Read the book
The Child Is innocent it snot his fault
His father and his fathers Lawyer Created the devious Sceme to Extort money from MJ
Its All their in black & white
Problem is People Would Rather See MJ Guilty then innocent
because he's labled a freak because his changed skin and problems with his nose

Luv4oneanotha said:

Go read some sexual abuse statistics. Please, for your own knowledge. That is absolutely insane. Look it up in a textbook if you don't believe me. And yes, you can "prove" sexual abuse. Forensics, witness evidence, and so on.

Just think of all the boys abused by the clergy for the past 50 years. NO ONE believed them. There's thousands for you right there.

And this kid has cancer. He did not make the accusations. His parents are using (abusing) him for cash. The kid is not a little rat bastard out for MJ's money. You want to blame someone? Blame the parents. I applaud you for doing that.
[This message was edited Thu Apr 8 14:40:17 2004 by VoicesCarry]

VoicesCarry said:

LMfao judging by that comment you know nothing about child abuse in the Legal system
their is in NO WAY that the Legal system canno't believe a child
The Law Prevents that
in legal terms its called a 960 motion
If Any Child Says that they were abused in any way
a Case is imediatly opened!i understand with forensics
but that only entails if a child actually had sex with the accused
and that can only be found in Female Victims
its a harder with males but can still be done
the reason whythis doesn't work with MJ is because
the child never stated that he had Sexual Intercourse with MJ
he just said that MJ fondled him WHICH CANT BE PROVEN IN A COURT OF LAW!
so The District Attorney has to raid the Accussed Home and look for EVIDENCE!
whats evidence?
Nude pictures of children letters anything
They didn't find a single thing
so the child gave a description of mj's Penis
they gave MJ a full out Cavity search
they fond nothing to corroborate the Allegations
if they did find evidence of any kind Mj would of been tried
even if it was the smallest evidence
he would of been tried
Ive studied sex abuse cases
Their extremely hard to prove
the fact that 60% of child misconduct allegations are false
has nothing to do with it
Michael Jackson Doesn't Fit the Profile of a Pedophile
the D.A. tried the first time
interviewing thousands of children jacksonhas befriended throughout the years
Officers Even lied that they had naked pictures of the children and they got nothin
The Law Protects Children and the motions can be carried out
the problem is that the children are so afraid
that they don't come out with allegations untill their older and can't face their demons anymore
thats when their a cloud of doubt on the accuser
but when the acusser is 13 and under
the Law states that Said Accuser has the right to file charges without one shred of evidence
when the accuse is 13 and under its literally against the law for a motion not to be carried out in their favor

Luv4oneanotha said:

Ever been in court and had a lawyer work rings around a 5-year-old on the stand? Completely confuse the shit out of the kid, which in turn hurts his testimony, credibility and the case? Yeah, I guess you haven't. If it even gets to court. MOST of them don't (like the ones abused by the clergy, many of whom told their parents, who then didn't believe them). Why? Because it's incomprehensible that a priest or a brother or an uncle or a friend could do something like that. And who would take a 5-year-old child's word against an adult. Not most parents, that's for sure. And not many judges, either.

I'm not talking about MJ. I'm talking about regular kids and regular cases here. You say you've studied sexual abuse cases, but you don't sound like you've been anywhere near a book or a courtroom or a caseworker. Don't talk bunk just because precious MJ is being accused here. YES, this case is probably FAKE. NO, MJ's persecution isn't right if he's innocent. But don't spout BULLSHIT like "only one in a million isn't believed!".

I'm sorry if I sound belligerent here, but it just pains me when people say things like that.
[This message was edited Thu Apr 8 15:13:01 2004 by VoicesCarry]

VoicesCarry said:

lol look ive been studying law for 6 years
the child doesn't have to testify
he has the constituitional right not to incriminate himself
if the case is soley depended on him/her testifying that usually means
their is no evidence of an offence being made
with their was Forensic evidence as you said
the five year old would not need to testify
what are you trying to prove here?
when it comes to the Clergy a majority of the children were already men
so they could testify without being confused by a lawyer afterwords many children came foreward and members of the clergy gave Confessions of the devious deeds
What are you getting at?
so far you've said absolutely nothing

Luv4oneanotha said:

You initial statement: "ONE IN A MILLION ARE NOT BELIEVED" is completely false. That is what I'm talking about here.

i use to intern for the department of child services a year ago
i wanted to be a lawyer until i found out how currupt the system is
the reason why this book convinced me of michael innocent because
it was spoken in laymens terms
it was a book that explained everything as a paralegal
when you seperate the case from the media into a court its quite different
i understand where your coming from,
but what your basically talking about is not sexual abuse
its basically child abuse
im talking in terms of child Molestation
not child sex or rape thats a total different area of law
thats what makes cases like this so difficult
if you could please xplain to mean in detail what exactly your talking about
be rational , so i can come up with a reasonable rebuttle of what your saying

Luv4oneanotha said:

Lol, hun, child sex or rape is molestation. This is what they're accusing Michael of. Didn't you read the book?
I think you're the one being completely irrational here. You also refuse to address my point, which is that you're making false claims:

ex: "ONE IN A MILLION ARE NOT BELIEVED"

"the problem with Molestation Cases is that you can't prove anything its basically by word of mouth "

Many of them are tried on forensic evidence. The ones that get to court. Others rely on testimony and in those cases they get thrown out because the child is rarely believed. So it is POSSIBLE to prove sexual abuse.

VoicesCarry said:

Child sex Child Rape are infact part of Child Molestation
but this is not the area Jackson is being Accussed of
the accusers made sure that the allegations did not corroborate with sexual intercourse
because of the liability that they could get caught
In both Cases allegations do not state that Jackson had Sexual Intercourse I.E. raped them
in both allegations it was claimed that Jackson Fondled them and Performed Fellatio on them
these devious acts Cannot be Proven with material evidence
and Since this the minor did not Deny the accuser
its no longer rape
its called "misconduct with a minor" having nothing to do with sex anymore
whenever somebody says that MJ raped or had sex with kids
they know nothing of the cases because in both cases allegations where fondling and oral sex
thats when theirs no forensic proof
sorry if you misunderstood me
Yes it is possible to prove Sexual Abuse
Many methods
Forensics
Wittnesses
Letters
markings on bodies ect..
you are correct i don't disagree with you their
but when it comes to cases like this
which has no chemical evidence, no physical evidence
no wittnesses
its sole existence is only on Discovery(Investigation) and testimony of said child

whether doing the testimony thee Judge feels that the child is being scripted on what to say
then the cases are thrown out, but thats only on what the judge suspeects
But i agree with you their have been probably countless of times where the child was not believed because of lack of evidence and yet the child was telling the truth
i agree with you

love4oneanotha keep up the good work dude i agree with bout everything u said and im glad u think mj is innocent since as u said u had been a mj basher in the past

Glad to see you've become a fan

well upon hearing about how sketchy the kid and his parents are (scam artists)... I think there's a good chance they are taking advantage of MJ.

ufoclub said:

duhhhhh ya think ?????

Luv4oneanotha said:

I agree with you but we have no way of knowing what evidence they have or don't have this time around. Highly unlikely much forensic evidence on the kid, but they could have photos, videos (they took MJ's computers), or forensic evidence of some sort in the house itself. It's unknown. I'm going to wait and see. I hope he just doesn't "settle" again, because it will look bad.

Never disagreed with you about MJ .