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PrintabletheVelvetRoper said: togdog said: you assume that because the date of creation of this account is recent that i'm new? the fact that i've used this as my name, and that it's totally lost on you means that you aren't quite the old-school expert on everything you claim to be. and i know all about your tastes and opinions. we've had many janet conversations before. and even if we hadn't, you've shown yourself to be the typical internet janet fan. and i know internet janet fans that i know all of your responses before you can think them up. i didn't get kicked off the miss-janet mailing list a dozen times without learning verbatim what the miss-janet party line is. Obviously you don't know a thing about JanFan's opinions, and how dare you classify her as if she doesn't have her own mind! Who the hell do you think you are? Oh, and congratulations on being kicked off the fanclub mailing list "a dozen times". Grow up! i don't grow up i blow up and when i see you i throw up  | |
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JANFAN4L said: Janet Jackson
"Damita Jo" Virgin Records OK, I've finally sat down and listened to the album and I must say that it is ridiculously good. She uses a multiplicity of producers, songwriters and talent. The album is like a journey -- which is exemplified in the album's opening intro "Looking For Love." I especially adored the contributions from the European producer Anders Bagge on "SloLove" and "All Nite (Don't Stop)" -- great work. Dallas Austin did a really good job with "Sexhibition" and "Just A Little While." When I first heard the former, my jaw dropped. The beat is funky and the groove is inescapeable. It reminds me in many ways of "You Ain't Right," it's just that dirty club song with an irresistible beat. I really enjoyed the midtempo/slow songs on this album. "Spending Time With You" is a breezy, feel-good, summery song. It's so relaxing and Janet's vocals compliment it well. The entire "Island segement" of Damita Jo fits and flows nicely. I like how she talks in between the tracks about her love of the ocean and the segway into the R&B heater "Island Life." Cathy Dennis & Co. did a cool job on the songwriting. Jimmy & Terry did not disappoint this time around. I really enjoyed their contributions on this record a lot. "Like You Don't Love Me" is my personal favorite. It's infectious and has that neo-soul-ish/TLC quality to it. I could've sworn that was T-Boz's voice in the track's hook. "Strawberry Bounce" has a hot drum loop. "R&B Junkie" is drenched in early 80s nostalgia and instantly transports me to a rollerdisco. Funky sample. I wish Jimmy & Terry could've contributed more. I definitely was left wanting more from them as far as material and less from Kanye West. I was surprised at how large a role Kanye West ended up playing on this album. I thought he would be Rockwilder of this record. He contributes many of the albums tracks such as "My Baby" (which grows on you after a few listens), the classic sparkle of "I Want You" and the album opener "Damita Jo." It's kinda like he crashed the party and took over on some of the tracks (most notably "My Baby"). Production-wise, his work is pretty much like all of the other work he's done for other artists, nothing classic from him. Anders Bagge! Anders Bagge! Anders Bagge! I didn't know who this guy was initially, but I must say he did an INCREDIBLE job on the production of "All Nite (Don't Stop)" and "Slo Love," both tracks are dance oriented, tinged with electronica and the latter has a hint of classic, disco-ized elements such as the glowing synths and programmed string arrangements. These tracks are club-ready in every since of the word and have "H-I-T" written all over them. His contributions make me want to find out more about his other work. Kudos to whoever decided to include him on this project. The slow songs are so soothing. "Thinkin' 'Bout My Ex" is classic Babyface -- everything from the melody, arranging, and production. He has still got it. Janet really gets into Babyface's production and gives it a life of its own. "Moist" and "Warmth" are the Baby Making Songs we've come to expect from Janet as of late. Very sensual, calming and highly seductive. Overall, this album is on point and refreshingly great. I wasn't expecting a bad album from Janet and she didn't deliver one. It's too early to say whether this album is better than AFY, but it's definitely a keeper and offers some great material. This album is funky, it's consistent and it jams. To all those hating on the album, they're basically jaded. The production on here is top-notch and it's an album I can return to time and time again and feel satisfied -- that's what a good album makes. Hats off to Janet and all those involved in the creation of Damita Jo. Another job well done. "SloLove" edit. [This message was edited Thu Apr 1 11:56:54 2004 by JANFAN4L] You know what, I agree completely! I'm so happy that I'm loving this album! I must say that I was a little disappointed by All For You, but Damita Jo did not let me down at all! I still have yet to write my review, but I'll share it when I do. Right now (for this hour!), my current obsession is "Like You Don't Love Me".  | |
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Janfan, I appreciate your array of musical tastes, and you are a true-blue Janet fan. I have seen you and VoicesCarry (and for that matter, Moonbeam) get put on blast at times for your love of your favorite artists, and I think that's wrong. Even tho I think this forum has gone on Janet overload the last few months, I respect your opinion of the new LP. The fact that your opinions on Janet are positive don't mean they're baseless.
Honestly, I can see how you got mad at togdog's one-word response, which you may have perceived as simply writing you off. But then out of courtesy, he gave a reasoned response the second time around. As I see it, he didn't say anything offensive. In fact, he said that, like you, he wanted to like Janet's new stuff. Unfortunately, there's been a bad give-and-take since then. Maybe you are hearing virtues in "DJ" that others aren't hearing. But as a whole the orgers know your tastes and should know that you are not a mindless Janet fan with no ear for music. You're just a big . . . BIG . . . Janfan . . . 
The critics don't agree with you. But if fans of artists base their opinions on critics, then half the people on the Org would have stopped being fans after "SOTT."  and happy orging to all.[This message was edited Thu Apr 1 16:11:32 2004 by namepeace] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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togdog said: JANFAN4L said: Jaded a** people on the Org.  that's not the case at all. i really want to like Janet again. she just isn't coming up with the goods to inspire me to go for her again. "janet. 4.0" isn't going to be the one to prove that she still has a worthwhile career. she's just going through the motions. i was a huge janet fan. and even if her music isn't going to be challenging, you can usually expect that it's going to be cutting-edge pop/r&b. this time around, it's just middle-of-the-road. not awful, but nothing to sink your teeth into aside from 3 or 4 songs. I think that this is the only album in a long time where Janet isn't going through the motions. Maybe the first since...her first real album "Control". While I've loved all the other albums, it always felt as if there was some kind of plan with each one while this album is all over the place in a good way. THere are some tracks I find some tracks like "I Want You" (Kayne West, leave Janet alone!) predictable and sort bland and "My Baby" and "Warmth" and "Moist" feel like leftover slow songs from AFY (although I love "Moist") but others than those tracks I find everything else very fresh and/or very emotional and moving. Yes, "Truly" and "Spending Time With You" sound like something Janet may have recorded at any other in time in her career but there is an honesty and sincerity to them. There is something so simple and effective about "Spending Time With You". And then there is "Damita Jo", a funky fun fresh take on "Jenny From The Block" where Janet spoofs herself. "Sexhibtion" and "Just A Little While" are great songs with a rock feel. The Euro dance tracks "All Night" and "Slo Love" prove that Janet, who has always been a great dance music artist, has her finger on the pluse of what is hot and fun. The album isn't her best but its very entertainting. | |
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theVelvetRoper said: VoicesCarry said: Where is he devaluing your estimation of it? He simply said "no", a disagreement (which can be interprested as childish). But he didn't say "JanFan I think u stupid shit for liking this album, your opinion has no value". I think you're taking this a wee bit personally  Um, by saying simply "no" to her review, he's basically just saying that she's wrong instead of stating his opinion, which he already made clear in his own Damita Jo thread. Who the hell is he to insinuate that someone's opinion isn't valid? JanFan4L, and I can say this because I feel the same way, understands that everyone has their own opinions on Janet and her music, and that's fine, but to be completly dismiss someone else's opinion is just childish, whether you agree or not. Personally, I try to respect everyone's opinion, but if you're not being respectful in return, your opinion means nothing to me. JanFan took issue with the following post, VelvetRoper, since topdog later came back to explain what he meant by "no", and his was a reasonable response: that's not the case at all. i really want to like Janet again. she just isn't coming up with the goods to inspire me to go for her again. "janet. 4.0" isn't going to be the one to prove that she still has a worthwhile career. she's just going through the motions. i was a huge janet fan. and even if her music isn't going to be challenging, you can usually expect that it's going to be cutting-edge pop/r&b. this time around, it's just middle-of-the-road. not awful, but nothing to sink your teeth into aside from 3 or 4 songs. So "no" was a disagreement, not a putdown - but that's something that should have been clarified.. What's been said since then is another matter. But typically, it's now a "she/he started it!" thing. [This message was edited Thu Apr 1 17:24:41 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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What I would like to know, before I run out to buy the album, does anyone know if there's going to be a special edition? (Like 'All For You' had the spec. ed. with the DVD). Few things bother me more than buying a CD, and a week later seeing a spec. ed. of that same CD sitting on the shelf... -->> This Space 4 Rent <<--
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"I didn't get kicked off the miss-janet mailing list a dozen times without learning verbatim what the miss-janet party line is"
 Mystery solved.I know exactly who this "TopDog" person is and he's been here for years,using different names,of course. | |
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amyhr said: What I would like to know, before I run out to buy the album, does anyone know if there's going to be a special edition? (Like 'All For You' had the spec. ed. with the DVD). Few things bother me more than buying a CD, and a week later seeing a spec. ed. of that same CD sitting on the shelf...
As of now, there are no plans for a special edition. | |
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I can't stand post "Janet" Janet and "Dermatology Joke" is the shining turd to top them all, but Janfan4Life is actually one of my favourite Orgers, so NO ONE BASHES HER ON MY WATCH. Now leave her alone kids. You all know she loves her Janet to bits. She wants to share the love with you - you know, spread it around like manure or peanut butter. If she thinks "Damn It Joe" is a masterpiece and takes the trouble to tell you why, you should at least give her props. What have you lot done lately? [This message was edited Fri Apr 2 11:54:43 2004 by Shapeshifter] There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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theVelvetRoper said: amyhr said: What I would like to know, before I run out to buy the album, does anyone know if there's going to be a special edition? (Like 'All For You' had the spec. ed. with the DVD). Few things bother me more than buying a CD, and a week later seeing a spec. ed. of that same CD sitting on the shelf...
As of now, there are no plans for a special edition. www.allmusic.com has 3 or 4 editions of the album listed, including one with a bonus DVD. | |
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togdog said: theVelvetRoper said: As of now, there are no plans for a special edition. www.allmusic.com has 3 or 4 editions of the album listed, including one with a bonus DVD. It was "cancelled" by Virgin several weeks ago. No word why. Which probably means it'll come out next year conditional on this album's sales. | |
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At the end of the day, who gives a f**k about what any of you have to say negatively about the album. Do your thing. I'm still bumping it. | |
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