VoicesCarry said:

Depends how you measure success. Saleswise, Mike still (and always will) sells more than Janet worldwide.Critically, i don't remember him ever getting a 2 star review. Anywhere.

Marrk said:

Invincible got plenty of one and two star reviews in the UK.

Shapeshifter said:

Guess that comment was so witty that you had to practice it and post it 3 times. I'm sure that VelvetRoper was smart enough to read it right the first time!

Shapeshifter said:

Never knew that the British were also infamous for double and triple posting the same thing.

VinnyM27 said:

LMAO LMAO LMAO! Am I the only one who sees the humour in this? I said goddamn!!

I like this album - it has a much diffrent sound than her last!! (not so Jam/Lewis)
RS are just jumping on the bash-a-Jackson bandwagon

I got a copy today and was expecting the worst but was pleasantly suprised - top 3 on the CD in my opinion are Damita Jo, Sexhibition & I want you.

Only real downside is it's one of those nasty 'Copyright protected' CD's
It's well worth the buy make ure own mind up I wouldnt take much to heart from RS!!!
[This message was edited Sat Mar 27 15:54:32 2004 by kremlinshadow]

VinnyM27 said:

And I love how each one is slightly different, as if he was deciding which post was better!

Shapeshifter said:

Not in Q, NME or the tabloids. I'm an avid fan, i seek/keep reviews. If you can prove that, i'll concede. As of this moment, i won't.

Not that i'm bothered, The only reason i bought a Janet record in the first place was of who her brother was. I'm not denying she's put out some good albums. I can't fault Control, RN1814 or Janet. TVR and AFY have left me wary of this new one though.
[This message was edited Sat Mar 27 17:18:58 2004 by Marrk]

Marrk said:

You dare question the greatness that is TVR! Have you listened to the a whole album? The bonus track (not sure of the title) is hot as hell and should have been the direction that Janet took her music. I would have liked if she would have done a quick follow up to TVR with that kind of R&B rock sound. It was implied and very hot!

I guess I come from a different generation becuase I started buying Janet CDs in the ninties (when I got a CD player) and I but quite a bit of seperation between Janet and her brother. By the time "The Velvet Rope" came out, it was Michael who for me. I think of Janet as much more influnational figure than Michael (sorry, that's just the way I feel).

ANYWAY...in other IMPORTANT news:check my signature JJ fans!!!

VinnyM27 said:

Oops!

JANFAN4L said:

http://www.timesonline.co...80,00.html

From The Sunday Times. UK

March 28, 2004

Pop: New Releases: Janet: Damita Jo
DAN CAIRNS



JANET
Damita Jo
Virgin 84404 2



YOU’VE seen the breast-flashing television trailer; now for the main event. At 65 minutes, with 22 tracks, Janet’s new album can’t be accused of stinting fans. But from the woman who recorded an album as enduringly great as 1986’s Control, Damita Jo is a letdown, without even one half-decent song to enliven it. Unintentionally hilarious spoken-word interludes link tracks, none more pointless than that which precedes The Islands. “Anguilla,” Janet gushes, “that’s my favourite. I love the islands. Um ... the ocean. The weather. I love humidity.” Well, that’s okay, then. Except it isn’t. In an era of innovation in female R&B, Jackson opts for safety and serves up a stinker. Timberlake afforded us a glimpse; Damita Jo gives us a chance to see Janet make a complete tit of herself. No star


WHOOOOOPS NOW!!!!

VoicesCarry said:

Not true. Dangerous sold more then Janet. HIStory sold more then The Velvet Rope. Invincible sold more then All For You.

WildStyle said:

Janet's way better looking though.

Marrk said:

http://uk.launch.yahoo.co...22573.html

"Mojo
Tired, frightened-sounding and hopelessly misjudged.... Hugely disappointing. [Dec 2001, p.116]"

"New York Magazine
Invincible is an assembly-line bore."

Full review:

Inexplicable
After six years and a reported $30 million, Invincible should be worth its wait in gold records. But Michael Jackson sounds like he's moonwalking in his sleep.

By Ethan Brown

It's not nostalgia for Michael Jackson's past that prevents us from thinking about him in the present tense -- it's his own pompous embrace of it. His post-Thriller career is littered with projects that have egomaniacal titles and songs that don't live up to them, from Bad through HIStory to his recent self-canonizing "Michael Jackson: 30th Anniversary Celebration" concerts at Madison Square Garden, and Invincible, his first album in more than six years.

Nothing on Invincible is exactly terrible (though a few lines about Princess Di's death on the anti-tabloid "Privacy" come close), which is almost a shame because sometimes tackiness can be revealing, even redemptive. Instead, Invincible is an assembly-line bore, from the mechanized R&B of "Unbreakable" and "2000 Watts" to the vapid sentimentality of ballads like "You Are My Life" and "The Lost Children."

Yet Jackson might not be entirely to blame for the album's failings; its sole ray of light, "You Rock My World," was shrugged off by critics for not being sufficiently au courant, as though hitting the perfect beat with producers-of-the-moment like the Neptunes were all that mattered. Actually, with its soaring bridge and thumping piano lines, "You Rock My World" has an enduring late-seventies classicism all but absent from the album's deliberately futuristic beats. Hearing Jackson coo "I feel the magic all in the air" transports you back to the transcendent rhythms of "Rock With You." If the reports are true that so many tracks were cut from Invincible that Jackson could make a box set with them, surely somewhere lies the song that could reveal the life behind Jackson's calculated invincibility.

Uncut
"Starts badly and gets worse for a very long time (77 minutes)." [Jan 2002, p.146]

Blender
"A long-winded, soulless soul album of the kind Levert might have once turned in." [#4, p.117]

Even the normally fawning Billboard Magazine hated this record:

http://www.billboard.com/...id=1099621

So, no, Invincible was not critically invincible.

Janet Jackson owes here entire career to Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. She has little talent herself.

RupertZ said:

No talent? I'd like to see you get out there and perform in front of sell-out crowds.

Shapeshifter, you said UK press, eh.

http://nme.com/reviews/7000.htm

Shows you they do not know shit.

2freaky4church1 said:

I find UK critics are on the whole much more reasonable than American critics. You cite one idiotic review, but don't paint them all with the same brush
[This message was edited Sun Mar 28 12:16:42 2004 by VoicesCarry]

VoicesCarry said:

Something tells me that if I looked hard enough I could find quite a few reviews praising such original acts like Abba Teens!

VinnyM27 said:

Yes, but how many American critics praised the Backstreet Boys, Clay Aiken, Kelly Clarkson, 'NSync, Justin Timberlake (won a Grammy, even), etc....?

VoicesCarry said:

Timberlake maybe but not so sure about the ohters you've listed.

VinnyM27 said:

Just check Rolling Stone or AMG if you don't believe me That's just the start.

One bad Rollingstone review can kill an lp.

nuff said!