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Printablejackflash said: sinisterpentatonic said: Break that shit down for 'em Ellis! They better recognize!! In a recent interview, Robert Plant justified their failure to acknowledge their musical forebears by saying in effect, "we were young and naive, and we thought it was in the Blues tradition to share, borrow and rework material that was 'out there'". He neglected to say that Zepplin was selling out arenas nightly, while their sources were itinerant musicians, often lucky to have any steady gig. and often died poor. Suffice to say, Plant's argument was less than convincing, and they probably knew what they were doing at some point in their heyday. Now, he seems to know that they were a-holes, and admitted that they could have acted with more generosity. I still like them, though... same here... i think they're a bunch of sorry jackasses for what they did, but i still dig their music... good story, btw...  Mr. Ellis Dee-licious, the Official NPGigolo 
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namepeace said: Since my collection is dominated by Prince, jazz, hip-hop, electronica/nu jazz, and "old school," I want to see if you guys can pitch some rock bands to me. I already have these artists in my collection:
Hendrix AC/DC Kiss Nirvana Steely Dan The Police U2 I also have some stuff from the Clash, Jeff Buckley, and others. So tell me about 3 artists, past or present, that I should check out, and why. I'm all ears. I would recommend the following: 1) the Jam 2) Blur 3) the Faces The Jam were huge in England during from 1977-1982. They never really had much American success. I would advise picking up a singles collection as well as three albums. All Mod Cons (1978), Setting Sons (1979) and Sound Affects (1980). All three albums are brilliant, in my opinion. I'm sure you know who Blur are but maybe you don't know that there is much more to them than Song 2 (the woo hoo song). They never really made an absolute masterpiece but I would recommend 3 albums. Modern Life Is Rubbish (1993) (possibly the first Brit-pop record), Parklife (1994) and Blur (1997). You also can't go wrong with their greatest hits album, even though it leaves off several great songs. In my opinion they were the best band of the 90's. Lastly I would recommend the Faces. It was a band Rod Stewart was in back in the 70's. Basically they are pretty similar to the Rolling Stones (Ron Wood, who was the guitarist in the Faces joined the Stones in 1975). Really great, sloppy rock and roll. Check out A Nod Is As Good As A Wink, To A Blind Horse (1971) and Long Player (1971). | |
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rialb said: Lastly I would recommend the Faces. It was a band Rod Stewart was in back in the 70's. Basically they are pretty similar to the Rolling Stones (Ron Wood, who was the guitarist in the Faces joined the Stones in 1975). Really great, sloppy rock and roll. Check out A Nod Is As Good As A Wink, To A Blind Horse (1971) and Long Player (1971).  ... damn good choice... although, i would say the place to start is probably "good boys.. when they're asleep: the best of faces" so that they can get a good overview of their career before jumping into the individual albums... Mr. Ellis Dee-licious, the Official NPGigolo
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I knew I could count on you all! Thanks!
So far, I've got: Stone Temple Pilots Pearl Jam Queens of the Stone Age Pixies Elvis Costello Smashing Pumpkins (I love "1979") PJ Harvey Soundgarden Led Zeppelin Guns N' Roses (used nigger in a song in the context of a slur, so I am not hot on giving them $) Kate Bush Rolling Stones (I love "Sympathy," "Miss You," "Emotional Rescue" and "Waiting on a Friend") Limbomaniacs Mindfunk Alice in Chains Circus of Power Collision MotherLoveBone Gino Vanelli (really?) Iggy Pop Living Color 24-7 Spyz and Garth Brooks ("Lost In You" is one of the best ballads of the last several years) Thanks to everybody. Now I have a list and I hope to let you know when I check these out. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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rialb said: Lastly I would recommend the Faces. It was a band Rod Stewart was in back in the 70's. Basically they are pretty similar to the Rolling Stones (Ron Wood, who was the guitarist in the Faces joined the Stones in 1975). Really great, sloppy rock and roll. Check out A Nod Is As Good As A Wink, To A Blind Horse (1971) and Long Player (1971).
Now how did Rod Stewart take time to perform, dye his hair black, and then go on the road with the Stones under a pseudonym? unless . . . 
 RON WOOD AND ROD STEWART ARE ACTUALLY TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE?!?!?!?!!
nahhh. . . . Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Hey Namepeace!! 
These bands may have already been mentioned, but they've been a HUGE influence on me. Foo Fighters - Good melodic rock. Stone Temple Pilots - I noticed that someone else mentioned these guys already but I wanted to reiterate. I know you dig jazz and blues, so I'd really recommend STP's third album, Tiny Music-Songs From the Vatican Giftshop. They really stepped away from the grunge sound and showed that they were a "real band" that could stretch  .
Of course, RADIOHEAD!! - Pop in OK Computer and be transported to another realm 
I also agree with some of the other suggestions posted, like Queens of the Stone Age and Jane's Addiction. Don't be afraid to check out Bjork's Homogenic. She really is brilliant. | |
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OdysseyMiles said: Hey Namepeace!!
These bands may have already been mentioned, but they've been a HUGE influence on me. Foo Fighters - Good melodic rock. Stone Temple Pilots - I noticed that someone else mentioned these guys already but I wanted to reiterate. I know you dig jazz and blues, so I'd really recommend STP's third album, Tiny Music-Songs From the Vatican Giftshop. They really stepped away from the grunge sound and showed that they were a "real band" that could stretch .
Of course, RADIOHEAD!! - Pop in OK Computer and be transported to another realm
I also agree with some of the other suggestions posted, like Queens of the Stone Age and Jane's Addiction. Don't be afraid to check out Bjork's Homogenic. She really is brilliant. What's going on, O/M? Thanks for the info. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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abierman said: 
Pavement, simply one of the best bands of the 90's, try their whole catalogue! It's all good.... [This message was edited Thu Mar 11 5:37:29 2004 by abierman] [This message was edited Thu Mar 11 5:38:13 2004 by abierman] Nice!!!! All the gals say hoe if your man's giving up the gold. All the fellas say ruff if you're only giving up the bone. | |
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Novabreaker said: Why the fuck would anyone want to listen to rock? Listen to genuinely masculine music instead - techno.
WTF??? techno is short for no talent All the gals say hoe if your man's giving up the gold. All the fellas say ruff if you're only giving up the bone. | |
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Do yourself a huge favour and go get the following albums
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless Teenage Fanclub - Songs from Northern Britain The Boo Radleys - Everything's Alright Forever Ride - Nowhere Mercury Rew - Yerself Is Steam Mogwai - Young Team Medicine - The Burried Life The Verve - Northern Soul Stone Roses - take your pick here, ya can't go wrong Yo La Tengo - Painful Suede - anything up to and including Coming Up That should get ya started, ORGnote my ass if you require more All the gals say hoe if your man's giving up the gold. All the fellas say ruff if you're only giving up the bone. | |
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OdysseyMiles said: Hey Namepeace!!
These bands may have already been mentioned, but they've been a HUGE influence on me. Foo Fighters - Good melodic rock. Stone Temple Pilots - I noticed that someone else mentioned these guys already but I wanted to reiterate. I know you dig jazz and blues, so I'd really recommend STP's third album, Tiny Music-Songs From the Vatican Giftshop. They really stepped away from the grunge sound and showed that they were a "real band" that could stretch .
Of course, RADIOHEAD!! - Pop in OK Computer and be transported to another realm
I also agree with some of the other suggestions posted, like Queens of the Stone Age and Jane's Addiction. Don't be afraid to check out Bjork's Homogenic. She really is brilliant. As a suggestion, IMO you should delve into Radiohead's album "The Bends" first before picking up OK Computer. That way you will have a base from which to see how the band transformed their sound. And do get Bjork's Homogenic!!! The album is brilliant, not to mention the cover is fierce as hell. Bjork has said that the music in that album most closely resembles the music she hears in her head. . [This message was edited Thu Mar 11 19:21:34 2004 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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minneapolisgenius said: 
I think I love you.  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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EllisDee said: Supernova said: 1. Anybody who doesn't hear the fact that Zep was an innovative group is either a) a surface listener, OR b) not a musician, OR c) BOTH. Ellis, with your listening acumen I'm surprised that your case seems to be "a".
 A SURFACE LISTENER??? Say it ain't so, Ellis. 
2. Led Zeppelin isn't true "metal", just because they put the blues on steroids that doesn't equate them with Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Metallica, and Iron Maiden, et. al. Hardcore metal fans acknowledge that their sound isn't limited to the metal ethos. There's too much American folk, Celtic folk, Funk, Rockabilly, traces of Morrocan music, etc. embedded into their music. There's too much by the way of dynamics in their sound for them to be considered metal. But because all that stuff isn't as in your face as that loud guitar, some people don't realize what's in the mix. I wish I had time to go more into it, but I don't have time right now. i'll ignore number 2... cause i agree with you on that... zep ain't metal... hard rock, yes, but not metal... Right, that wasn't for you, it was for whoever called them metal. Although I don't deny that they're a big influence on metal. but i don't think i'm a surface listener just because i don't acknowledge the innovations made my zeppelin... i acknowledge that they kick ass, but it is possible for a band to kick ass without being innovative... and i honestly can't think of any innovations made by led zeppelin... they expanded upon pre-existing ideas, yes... but that's not really innovating... that's just expanding...
Expanding the vocabulary of a genre is no different than what PFunk, Sly & Company, and Mandrill did with Funk. And all of them were innovative in their own individual way. None of them invented Funk, but they built on what James Brown introduced to the world. So if that rule applies to Zeppelin, it surely applies to the others. I mean, how many other hard rock bands used mandolins, vibes, theramins, acoustic pianos, string sections, a horn section, mellotrons, a harp recorded backwards, covered Joan Baez, recorded tributes to Joni Mitchell, used Moroccan arrangements, and had a bassist and drummer that had a habit of sometimes laying down Stax/JB rhythms underneath it all? Honestly, was there anything in rock music that sounded like “Four Sticks”? Sure, there are some straight ahead, obviously blues based rock songs in their repertoire, and I’m as vocal about their copyright disregard (when people neglect to mention it) as anyone else, but to consider them nothing more than “white guys that just played the blues loudly” is completely inaccurate, way too simplistic, and doesn’t come close to taking the entire picture into account – which reinforces my belief that you’re a surface listener when it comes to them. Had they been talentless thieves that never brought anything of their own to the table it would be easy for me to dismiss them, but their musicality strongly belied that. And they can’t truthfully be described as a band that stuck to nothing but traditional verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus song structures either. Someone once said that Zep was, in effect, “the Yardbirds with creative control, a bigger beat, and a whole new line in hair-raising vocals. They were the Yardbirds freed from pop tunes and retooled for maximum crunch.” There are traces of what eventually came to be called “World Music” all over their catalog. Regardless of which pop or rock group first infused Indian music into their sound, Zep wasn’t using sitars on the intro to “In The Light” and “White Summer/Black Mountainside” – in this case that influence was transposed to synthesizer and electric guitar, respectively. The same way that Jaco Pastorius revolutionized bass playing with his re-interpretation of Charlie Parker’s alto sax, and the same way that Chuck Berry transposed Johnny Johnson’s blues piano riffs to create textbook, blueprint, Rock and Roll guitar riffs. There are tons of bands throughout history, some still going, some disbanded, that try/tried to capture Zep’s sound and/or vision, not only in intensity, but in terms of pure musical dynamics. The soft, slow burning, build-up on thru the electric, heavy-ass rave up, the production techniques that were used to make them sound like their own self-contained, wall of sound, etc. can easily be heard in Jane’s Addiction, Foo Fighters, Soundgarden, and Nirvana (by way of the Pixies), along with their contemporaries like Heart (“Baracuda” in particular was a direct result of “Achilles Last Stand”) and Aerosmith. Almost everybody in hard rock, from Zep’s inception till this day has borrowed something from the Zep canon, or tried. That being the case, if you come at it within the context of 2004 at a time that they’ve long been part of the backbone of Classic Rock radio formats, it’s easy to be so familiar with something that one forgets the ground that was broke, and how they sounded unlike anybody else. The same way that some Prince fans forget how, for lack of a better word, weird “Doves” sounded 20 years ago. The lyrical and/or instrumental phrasing thievery shouldn’t be ignored, and actually needs to be exposed even more than it has been, because the fanboys need to be educated. And at the same time, Zep ushered in entirely new arrangements with their imagination and had the chops to execute it that led to creating music in completely different ways than their counterparts within the confines of Rock music. Replace “Zep” with Sly & The Family Stone/PFunk/Mandrill, and “Funk” with Rock and the same truth applies to all of these bands. All of these innovative bands. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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The Cult...started as moody alt-rockers, emerged as full on rock gods.... Gene Loves Jezebel....my vote for best English import in the late "80's..... The Toadies...only minor success with single "Possum Kingdom", but they truly rock....loud and fast....lead singers dad was a preacher, so makes for interesting lyrics on songs , ie.."Backslider", "I Come From the Water"..... | |
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I neglected to mention some more: Ani DiFranco, The Pretenders, and The Specials. DiFranco and Chrissy Hynde are two of the most accomplished songwriters around. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Oh and one more thing:
Could you actually consider buying at least some of the music, not just downloading it for free? - as it sometimes is against the artist's own wishes - Some artists, you see, have nothing against filesharing and some do. That's a pretty good guideline to follow for the people who operate in the real world. | |
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Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
An Amazing album.. play it through a few times and it will soon come to recognize how truely remarkable and timeless this album is. | |
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Supernova said: .....many things that I could not have put into words.....
Thank you Supernova for that post. It really relayed what I also feel and think about Zeppelin, but could never articulate myself. I am not a music critic or a musician, so when it comes to describing or explaining why I love a particular band's sound, it doesn't come easy for me. But when someone lays it out like that, it's exactly what goes through my mind when I listen to them. When I hear Zeppelin, I hear something that is completely their own, unique sound.  "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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Supernova said: I mean, how many other hard rock bands used mandolins (Rolling Stones), vibes, theramins, acoustic pianos(beatles), string sections(elvis, beatles, stones, and tons others), a horn section(chicago, elvis, beatles, stones), mellotrons(skynyrd, beatles, stones) a harp recorded backwards, covered Joan Baez(judas priest), recorded tributes to Joni Mitchell, used Moroccan arrangements(beatles), and had a bassist and drummer that had a habit of sometimes laying down Stax/JB rhythms underneath it all(stones)? Honestly, was there anything in rock music that sounded like “Four Sticks”?
they had their own sound... i'll give you that... i just cannot see them as innovative... just the way i feel about zeppelin...  ... Mr. Ellis Dee-licious, the Official NPGigolo
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EllisDee said: Supernova said: I mean, how many other hard rock bands used mandolins (Rolling Stones), vibes, theramins, acoustic pianos(beatles), string sections(elvis, beatles, stones, and tons others), a horn section(chicago, elvis, beatles, stones), mellotrons(skynyrd, beatles, stones) a harp recorded backwards, covered Joan Baez(judas priest), recorded tributes to Joni Mitchell, used Moroccan arrangements(beatles), and had a bassist and drummer that had a habit of sometimes laying down Stax/JB rhythms underneath it all(stones)? Honestly, was there anything in rock music that sounded like “Four Sticks”?
they had their own sound... i'll give you that... i just cannot see them as innovative... just the way i feel about zeppelin... ...Jumping in here again.....but doesn't creating something that can distinctly be called your own "sound" count as being innovative?  "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: EllisDee said: they had their own sound... i'll give you that... i just cannot see them as innovative... just the way i feel about zeppelin... ...Jumping in here again.....but doesn't creating something that can distinctly be called your own "sound" count as being innovative? Absolutely! I don't know why people even have to defend Zeppelin's sound. They certainly came out of left field regardless of their musical influences.... 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: minneapolisgenius said: Jumping in here again.....but doesn't creating something that can distinctly be called your own "sound" count as being innovative? Absolutely! I don't know why people even have to defend Zeppelin's sound. They certainly came out of left field regardless of their musical influences.... 
That's what I'm trying to say! So I'll stop defending them now.  "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: OdysseyMiles said: Hey Namepeace!!
These bands may have already been mentioned, but they've been a HUGE influence on me. Foo Fighters - Good melodic rock. Stone Temple Pilots - I noticed that someone else mentioned these guys already but I wanted to reiterate. I know you dig jazz and blues, so I'd really recommend STP's third album, Tiny Music-Songs From the Vatican Giftshop. They really stepped away from the grunge sound and showed that they were a "real band" that could stretch .
Of course, RADIOHEAD!! - Pop in OK Computer and be transported to another realm
I also agree with some of the other suggestions posted, like Queens of the Stone Age and Jane's Addiction. Don't be afraid to check out Bjork's Homogenic. She really is brilliant. As a suggestion, IMO you should delve into Radiohead's album "The Bends" first before picking up OK Computer. That way you will have a base from which to see how the band transformed their sound. And do get Bjork's Homogenic!!! The album is brilliant, not to mention the cover is fierce as hell. Bjork has said that the music in that album most closely resembles the music she hears in her head. . [This message was edited Thu Mar 11 19:21:34 2004 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] Good idea Supa, thanks. Hearing The Bends will allow for a greater appreciation of OK Computer. Good call! And Namepeace, do NOT sleep on Bjork!! | |
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OdysseyMiles said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: As a suggestion, IMO you should delve into Radiohead's album "The Bends" first before picking up OK Computer. That way you will have a base from which to see how the band transformed their sound. And do get Bjork's Homogenic!!! The album is brilliant, not to mention the cover is fierce as hell. Bjork has said that the music in that album most closely resembles the music she hears in her head. . [This message was edited Thu Mar 11 19:21:34 2004 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy] Good idea Supa, thanks. Hearing The Bends will allow for a greater appreciation of OK Computer. Good call! And Namepeace, do NOT sleep on Bjork!! The Bends kicked my ass! I did like only a couple of songs off Pablo Honey and then bought the Bends just cause I liked those couple of songs and it was amazing how hard that band grew in one album. The Bends kicks ass. Then, OK Computer and then KidA. Truly, to appreciate where they are now, you have to understand where they came from. No matter what anybody says, Radiohead is genius! And Bjork, I hadn't considered suggesting her because I was thinking "rock" but Namepeace, do as you are told! Don't sleep on the woman. She is one of the few uncompromised artists out there. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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If we still had the rating system, this thread would get a big fat  
I love this thread! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: If we still had the rating system, this thread would get a big fat
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minneapolisgenius said: Supernova said:
.....many things that I could not have put into words.....
Thank you Supernova for that post. It really relayed what I also feel and think about Zeppelin, but could never articulate myself. I am not a music critic or a musician, so when it comes to describing or explaining why I love a particular band's sound, it doesn't come easy for me. But when someone lays it out like that, it's exactly what goes through my mind when I listen to them. When I hear Zeppelin, I hear something that is completely their own, unique sound. No problema, MinneG.  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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EllisDee said:[quote] Supernova said: I mean, how many other hard rock bands used mandolins (Rolling Stones), vibes, theramins, acoustic pianos(beatles), string sections(elvis, beatles, stones, and tons others), a horn section(chicago, elvis, beatles, stones), mellotrons(skynyrd, beatles, stones) a harp recorded backwards, covered Joan Baez(judas priest), recorded tributes to Joni Mitchell, used Moroccan arrangements(beatles), and had a bassist and drummer that had a habit of sometimes laying down Stax/JB rhythms underneath it all(stones)? Honestly, was there anything in rock music that sounded like “Four Sticks”?
Surely you jest when you say the Stones, Beatles, Elvis, and Chicago, are "hard rock" when talking about Zep. Not to mention Chicago, Skynyrd and Judas Priest came afterwards.This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Shit, how could I forget to mention.....
The Dandy Warhols. 13 Tales from Urban Bohemia is a fantastic album. They make some damn good music 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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And for fucks sake, if we're gonna Mention Bjork, then Tricky deserves a huge ass nod.
I'd suggest Maxinquaye, Angels With Dirty Faces and Nearly God to Start off with. Maxinquaye especially. Some of his most recent work is lacking IMO but those are 3 strong ass albums. I wish Prince would make music like this. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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