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Resistance is futile, Ellis. The power and innovation of those Zep purloiners shall completely claim you! 
` [This message was edited Wed Mar 10 19:54:00 2004 by Supernova] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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minneapolisgenius said: EllisDee said: you can fry me in your electric chair anytime...  ...
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hmm, on second thought... that sounds painful... I thought you were against the death penalty? Damn, we're just disagreeing about everything today. I'm not talking to you anymore. 
i am against the death penatly...  ...
i was trying to be dirty...   Mr. Ellis Dee-licious, the Official NPGigolo 
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Supernova said: [color=darkblue:6a9e39c593]Resistance is futile, Ellis. The power and innovation of those Zep purloiners shall completely claim you![/color]
` [This message was edited Wed Mar 10 19:54:00 2004 by Supernova] yeah, i guess they were pretty innovative... they were the first to steal people's music and lyrics and not give them credit for it, laying the basis for tons and tons of rappers who sample without giving credit or recieving permission...  Mr. Ellis Dee-licious, the Official NPGigolo
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Pavement, simply one of the best bands of the 90's, try their whole catalogue! It's all good.... [This message was edited Thu Mar 11 5:37:29 2004 by abierman] [This message was edited Thu Mar 11 5:38:13 2004 by abierman] | |
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EllisDee said: Supernova said: [color=darkblue:6a9e39c593]Resistance is futile, Ellis. The power and innovation of those Zep purloiners shall completely claim you![/color]
` [This message was edited Wed Mar 10 19:54:00 2004 by Supernova] yeah, i guess they were pretty innovative... they were the first to steal people's music and lyrics and not give them credit for it, laying the basis for tons and tons of rappers who sample without giving credit or recieving permission... 
Get over it. They still kick ass.  "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: EllisDee said: yeah, i guess they were pretty innovative... they were the first to steal people's music and lyrics and not give them credit for it, laying the basis for tons and tons of rappers who sample without giving credit or recieving permission...
Get over it. They still kick ass. i don't deny that they kick ass... but i don't think they were innovative in the least... they were white guys that just played the blues loudly... hmm... cream, jeff beck group, rolling stones, etc all beat them to the punch on that... they added middle eastern influences... hmm, the beatles beat them to that... they kicked ass, but they were not innovative in the least... Mr. Ellis Dee-licious, the Official NPGigolo
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EllisDee said: minneapolisgenius said:
Get over it. They still kick ass. i don't deny that they kick ass... but i don't think they were innovative in the least... they were white guys that just played the blues loudly... hmm... cream, jeff beck group, rolling stones, etc all beat them to the punch on that... they added middle eastern influences... hmm, the beatles beat them to that... they kicked ass, but they were not innovative in the least... I disagree. They didn't ONLY play the blues and they did have their own songs obviously. It's not like everything they did was a rip off of someone else. And I am familiar with the music of the other bands you listed, and I don't think they sound like them at all. They still have their own sound. In fact, I went back yesterday and listened to the Stones for about an hour to see again if I could get into them (I've tried) and I just don't see any similarities. I am not a huge Stones fan so maybe I am biased, but I've always liked Zeppelin the most out of everyone else you've mentioned.  "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: EllisDee said: i don't deny that they kick ass... but i don't think they were innovative in the least... they were white guys that just played the blues loudly... hmm... cream, jeff beck group, rolling stones, etc all beat them to the punch on that... they added middle eastern influences... hmm, the beatles beat them to that... they kicked ass, but they were not innovative in the least... I disagree. They didn't ONLY play the blues and they did have their own songs obviously. It's not like everything they did was a rip off of someone else. And I am familiar with the music of the other bands you listed, and I don't think they sound like them at all. They still have their own sound. In fact, I went back yesterday and listened to the Stones for about an hour to see again if I could get into them (I've tried) and I just don't see any similarities. I am not a huge Stones fan so maybe I am biased, but I've always liked Zeppelin the most out of everyone else you've mentioned. they don't sound at all like the stones, i was just naming other white bands that played the blues louder than the blues guys played it... the only band on that list that sounds like zeppelin to me is jeff beck group... the original one with rod stewart as the lead singer, which to me, led zeppelin's first 2 albums are carbon copies of... ironically both of those albums are my favorite zep albums... i think they started to find their own sound with 3... nothing innovative... they didn't change anything or invent anything... but they did get their own sound... i think they peaked with their own sound on "physical graffiti" and then went downhill from there... and for the record, i don't like cream... i can't stand them... i did their version of "crossroads" and nothing else... the lead singer's weak ass falsetto kills me... makes my ears hurt... and led zeppelin could kick their asses... Mr. Ellis Dee-licious, the Official NPGigolo
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EllisDee said: minneapolisgenius said: I disagree. They didn't ONLY play the blues and they did have their own songs obviously. It's not like everything they did was a rip off of someone else. And I am familiar with the music of the other bands you listed, and I don't think they sound like them at all. They still have their own sound. In fact, I went back yesterday and listened to the Stones for about an hour to see again if I could get into them (I've tried) and I just don't see any similarities. I am not a huge Stones fan so maybe I am biased, but I've always liked Zeppelin the most out of everyone else you've mentioned. they don't sound at all like the stones, i was just naming other white bands that played the blues louder than the blues guys played it... the only band on that list that sounds like zeppelin to me is jeff beck group... the original one with rod stewart as the lead singer, which to me, led zeppelin's first 2 albums are carbon copies of... ironically both of those albums are my favorite zep albums... i think they started to find their own sound with 3... nothing innovative... they didn't change anything or invent anything... but they did get their own sound... i think they peaked with their own sound on "physical graffiti" and then went downhill from there... and for the record, i don't like cream... i can't stand them... i did their version of "crossroads" and nothing else... the lead singer's weak ass falsetto kills me... makes my ears hurt... and led zeppelin could kick their asses... I agree with you about them waning after "Physical Graffiti". Everything after that I could take it or leave it. PLUS.....Jimmy Page was fucking hot! 
Come on admit it. You'd do him.
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minneapolisgenius said: I went back yesterday and listened to the Stones for about an hour to see again if I could get into them (I've tried) and I just don't see any similarities. I am not a huge Stones fan ....
What Stones did you listen to? Beware pale imitations! (see my post above) And yes I also like Zep, and never saw them as Stones imitators (or vice-versa) - Zep has metal in their veins where the Stones have roots R+B .... *****************************************
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minneapolisgenius said: Although, they didn't age very well. no... poor robert plant's voice is in baaaaad shape these days... he and jimmy page are on a song on "jimmy rogers' blues all-stars" and he's struggling... although, he does sound ok on that last cd he put out... "dreamland" or whatever that was... Mr. Ellis Dee-licious, the Official NPGigolo
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EllisDee said: minneapolisgenius said: Although, they didn't age very well. no... poor robert plant's voice is in baaaaad shape these days... he and jimmy page are on a song on "jimmy rogers' blues all-stars" and he's struggling... although, he does sound ok on that last cd he put out... "dreamland" or whatever that was... I don't have that one. I don't even know what he sounds like nodays. I heard that John Paul Jones is producing The Datsuns next album though. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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jackflash said: minneapolisgenius said: I went back yesterday and listened to the Stones for about an hour to see again if I could get into them (I've tried) and I just don't see any similarities. I am not a huge Stones fan ....
What Stones did you listen to? Beware pale imitations! (see my post above) And yes I also like Zep, and never saw them as Stones imitators (or vice-versa) - Zep has metal in their veins where the Stones have roots R+B .... I just found "40 Licks" from ITunes and listened to it. (I don't own any Rolling Stones myself, but my husband does) I saw your post and that's why I decided to give them another listen. But thanks for mentioning Bowie as well, because I listened to him again for the first time in a long while, and I forgot how much I love him. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: EllisDee said: no... poor robert plant's voice is in baaaaad shape these days... he and jimmy page are on a song on "jimmy rogers' blues all-stars" and he's struggling... although, he does sound ok on that last cd he put out... "dreamland" or whatever that was... I don't have that one. I don't even know what he sounds like nodays. I heard that John Paul Jones is producing The Datsuns next album though. that one is alright, because he's singing in a deeper register and leaving some of those high notes alone... on the jimmy rogers cd, though, he's struggling... Mr. Ellis Dee-licious, the Official NPGigolo
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EllisDee said: minneapolisgenius said: I don't have that one. I don't even know what he sounds like nodays. I heard that John Paul Jones is producing The Datsuns next album though. that one is alright, because he's singing in a deeper register and leaving some of those high notes alone... on the jimmy rogers cd, though, he's struggling...  Now I'm interested....."I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: EllisDee said: that one is alright, because he's singing in a deeper register and leaving some of those high notes alone... on the jimmy rogers cd, though, he's struggling... Now I'm interested.....i'd get it... it's better than the rest of his solo albums, i think... Mr. Ellis Dee-licious, the Official NPGigolo
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EllisDee said: minneapolisgenius said: Now I'm interested.....i'd get it... it's better than the rest of his solo albums, i think... What's it called again? "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: EllisDee said: i'd get it... it's better than the rest of his solo albums, i think... What's it called again? "dreamland" i think..? Mr. Ellis Dee-licious, the Official NPGigolo
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EllisDee said: minneapolisgenius said: What's it called again? "dreamland" i think..? ok "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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1. Anybody who doesn't hear the fact that Zep was an innovative group is either a) a surface listener, OR b) not a musician, OR c) BOTH. Ellis, with your listening acumen I'm surprised that your case seems to be "a".  A SURFACE LISTENER??? Say it ain't so, Ellis. 
2. Led Zeppelin isn't true "metal", just because they put the blues on steroids that doesn't equate them with Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Metallica, and Iron Maiden, et. al. Hardcore metal fans acknowledge that their sound isn't limited to the metal ethos. There's too much American folk, Celtic folk, Funk, Rockabilly, traces of Morrocan music, etc. embedded into their music. There's too much by the way of dynamics in their sound for them to be considered metal. But because all that stuff isn't as in your face as that loud guitar, some people don't realize what's in the mix. I wish I had time to go more into it, but I don't have time right now. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: 1. Anybody who doesn't hear the fact that Zep was an innovative group is either a) a surface listener, OR b) not a musician, OR c) BOTH. Ellis, with your listening acumen I'm surprised that your case seems to be "a".
A SURFACE LISTENER??? Say it ain't so, Ellis.
2. Led Zeppelin isn't true "metal", just because they put the blues on steroids that doesn't equate them with Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Metallica, and Iron Maiden, et. al. Hardcore metal fans acknowledge that their sound isn't limited to the metal ethos. There's too much American folk, Celtic folk, Funk, Rockabilly, traces of Morrocan music, etc. embedded into their music. There's too much by the way of dynamics in their sound for them to be considered metal. But because all that stuff isn't as in your face as that loud guitar, some people don't realize what's in the mix. I wish I had time to go more into it, but I don't have time right now. 
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Supernova said: 1. Anybody who doesn't hear the fact that Zep was an innovative group is either a) a surface listener, OR b) not a musician, OR c) BOTH. Ellis, with your listening acumen I'm surprised that your case seems to be "a".
A SURFACE LISTENER??? Say it ain't so, Ellis.
2. Led Zeppelin isn't true "metal", just because they put the blues on steroids that doesn't equate them with Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Metallica, and Iron Maiden, et. al. Hardcore metal fans acknowledge that their sound isn't limited to the metal ethos. There's too much American folk, Celtic folk, Funk, Rockabilly, traces of Morrocan music, etc. embedded into their music. There's too much by the way of dynamics in their sound for them to be considered metal. But because all that stuff isn't as in your face as that loud guitar, some people don't realize what's in the mix. I wish I had time to go more into it, but I don't have time right now. i'll ignore number 2... cause i agree with you on that... zep ain't metal... hard rock, yes, but not metal... but i don't think i'm a surface listener just because i don't acknowledge the innovations made my zeppelin... i acknowledge that they kick ass, but it is possible for a band to kick ass without being innovative... and i honestly can't think of any innovations made by led zeppelin... they expanded upon pre-existing ideas, yes... but that's not really innovating... that's just expanding... Mr. Ellis Dee-licious, the Official NPGigolo
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EllisDee said: minneapolisgenius said: Their music has been sampled again and again by hip-hop artists
which is only fair, because damn near everything zeppelin ever did they stole from a blues or folk artist that got no credit or compensation... "the lemon song" = "traveling riverside blues" by robert johnson and "killing floor" by howling wolf "whole lotta love" = "you need love" by muddy waters "you shook me" = "you shook me" by muddy waters "bring it on home" = "bring it on home" by sonny boy williamson "nobody's fault but mine" = "nobody's fault but mine" by blind willie johnson "when the levee breaks" = "when the levee breaks" by memphis minnie the keyboard riff to "trampled under foot" is the keyboard riff to stevie's "superstition"... and i could go on and on and on... ... bukka white... sleep john estes... moby grape...
i still love zeppelin, but i've had to come to terms with the fact that they are the biggest musical pirates of all-time... cause while they flourished financially in the 70s and still today on the money they made from those recordings, many of the artists that originally wrote these songs but got no writing credits from zeppelin died in poverty... Break that shit down for 'em Ellis! They better recognize!! | |
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minneapolisgenius said: jackflash said: What Stones did you listen to? Beware pale imitations! (see my post above) And yes I also like Zep, and never saw them as Stones imitators (or vice-versa) - Zep has metal in their veins where the Stones have roots R+B .... I just found "40 Licks" from ITunes and listened to it. (I don't own any Rolling Stones myself, but my husband does) I saw your post and that's why I decided to give them another listen. But thanks for mentioning Bowie as well, because I listened to him again for the first time in a long while, and I forgot how much I love him. "Classic" Stones is the best Stones - see if your hubby's got the ones listed higher up in the thread "Classic" Bowie is also the best too, although his last few albums have been quite good as well *****************************************
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sinisterpentatonic said: EllisDee said: which is only fair, because damn near everything zeppelin ever did they stole from a blues or folk artist that got no credit or compensation... "the lemon song" = "traveling riverside blues" by robert johnson and "killing floor" by howling wolf "whole lotta love" = "you need love" by muddy waters "you shook me" = "you shook me" by muddy waters "bring it on home" = "bring it on home" by sonny boy williamson "nobody's fault but mine" = "nobody's fault but mine" by blind willie johnson "when the levee breaks" = "when the levee breaks" by memphis minnie the keyboard riff to "trampled under foot" is the keyboard riff to stevie's "superstition"... and i could go on and on and on... ... bukka white... sleep john estes... moby grape...
i still love zeppelin, but i've had to come to terms with the fact that they are the biggest musical pirates of all-time... cause while they flourished financially in the 70s and still today on the money they made from those recordings, many of the artists that originally wrote these songs but got no writing credits from zeppelin died in poverty... Break that shit down for 'em Ellis! They better recognize!! In a recent interview, Robert Plant justified their failure to acknowledge their musical forebears by saying in effect, "we were young and naive, and we thought it was in the Blues tradition to share, borrow and rework material that was 'out there'". He neglected to say that Zepplin was selling out arenas nightly, while their sources were itinerant musicians, often lucky to have any steady gig. and often died poor. Suffice to say, Plant's argument was less than convincing, and they probably knew what they were doing at some point in their heyday. Now, he seems to know that they were a-holes, and admitted that they could have acted with more generosity. I still like them, though... *****************************************
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