SquirrelMeat said:

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Take your head out of your asshole and let black people make their own decisions.

I should leave it alone.... but I can't help myself.

There is no collective black community or white community. Neither me, my family, or anybody I know were consulted on these matters. There is no black media and there's no white media. Certain individuals with agendas (which are bound to fail) run it as they do to keep you blinded, perpetuate myth and most importantly take your money. And to Squirrelmeat: neither you nor anybody else know what the majority of "black america" thinks so it's your ass (arse) that needs checking-- sorry I don't usually get personal but you deserve it.

As for Motown and the special interests groups who purport to protect "minority" interests I say fuck 'em. There's no reason Justin should've been pressured to pull out. Sure he ditched Janet but that was business. They're both in the same game and he doesn't want to lose what he's got. Do I respect him? It doesn't matter and who are we to judge? It's just hypocritical that people would want to exclude him from Motown of all companies. It was built to homogenize rhythm and blues and sell it to the masses. Right now Justin happens to be doing it best (the selling part). Who better to host?

The funny thing is that Motown isn't "black"-owned so it's likely the decision for Justin to pull out probably came from an individual whose sole concern was a possible backlash that would diminish the sales of Motown's vast back-catalogue. These specials and award shows are only held to boost sales and interest. What better than to appeal to somebody's false sense of pride and tradition. The same thing happened with Janet but on a much bigger scale where the possible backlash would have been the conservative buying public-- the biggest dupes in this game. So, you see it's not about race nor morals (nudity isn't amoral by the way) it's about money and perception.

whodknee said:

Could not have said it better. Big ups to sldawn for calling it like he sees it. No one gives a flying fuck except for those doing the protesting and if they did not get any camera time I 'm sure they wouldn't give a fuck either. But what a wasteful display of the first amendment!

When it comes down to it, I have got to give it to my boy Prince. These industry cats are a scandulous bunch. Make a man see COLOR while his LISTENING to music? I can't hear Lenny or Seal on a "black-radio station", but I can hear one women degrading, pimp-prostitute relation promoting song after another.

That's why I don't care if Prince only releases music on 8-track, I'm going to support the brother for pointing out the bullshit and at least trying to do something defferent.

SquirrelMeat said:

Slide on the way he bitch out over the Super Bowl drama. People that keep shooting off their mouths about this keeping "racism alive" need to pipe down. For one, racism will stay alive and well with or without Justin hosting this show. But his race isn't why I'm glade to see him off the show. I just don't like the way he kissed ass after the whole Janet thing. There are some issues of race in that as well but him acting the bitch is more than enough to not like this cat.

Now that Justin is out,hopefully they will come to their senses and get a more suitable host,such as...


Diana Ross
Smokey Robinson
Valerie Simpson
Teena Marie
Remy Shand
Thelma Houston
El DeBarge
Nona Gaye (Marvin's daughter)
Mary Wilson


These are people who actually have some connection to the Motown label and it's music.And to those of you who insist on seeing this as a race issue,notice I added Teena Marie and Remy Shand to my list.To me,race has nothing to do with it.Justin was a bad choice because he's just a wannabee "artist" with no real connection to this music and it's history.

DavidEye said:

What about Michael Bolton.

Sdldawn said:

Michael Bolton never recorded for Motown Records

DavidEye said:

Remember Sam Harris, the first winner of the Star Search talent show? He was on the Motown Label... Where he at... let him host.

SquirrelMeat said:

Shit, I know why.. Cause he's white and was asked to host Motown Special.. I just got enough nerve to say it. TRUTH

And if it was about the opposite direction.. I'd point that shit out too.. No segregation here.

If anyones offended, go cry to Danza or whatever that mod's name. She'll/He'll post a goofy picture with some crap about "its dumb" or "oh geez" or just flat out block the argument out.

Padlock *****
[This message was edited Tue Feb 24 16:28:57 2004 by Sdldawn]

VoicesCarry said:

Very good point.

My issue is not whether Justin "did" or didn't, (but compare press quotes to actual interview quotes, they are quite different), but where is Janet in all this?

The "black" press are condeming Justin, for participating in a publicity stunt, pulled by a black woman.

Black or white is not the point. Should Janet lose her "white music pass" too? By the way, who granted to her?

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[This message was edited Tue Feb 24 17:16:21 2004 by SquirrelMeat]

Sdldawn said:

Oh bullcocky. Alot of people would rather have seen Remy Shand (who is not only WHITE but is actually a MOTOWN ARTIST) be given a shot at co-hosting this thing before some kid off of JIVE, for crying out loud.

intha916 said:

Now that Justin is out,hopefully they will come to their senses and get a more suitable host,such as...


Diana Ross
Smokey Robinson
Valerie Simpson
Teena Marie
Remy Shand
Thelma Houston
El DeBarge
Nona Gaye (Marvin's daughter)
Mary Wilson


These are people who actually have some connection to the Motown label and it's music.And to those of you who insist on seeing this as a race issue,notice I added Teena Marie and Remy Shand to my list.To me,race has nothing to do with it.Justin was a bad choice because he's just a wannabee "artist" with no real connection to this music and it's history.

VoicesCarry said:

The "angry white man" attitude of the 21st century is comical. Always looking for parallels between white racism and black bigotry. Go ahead and call this "racist" and ignore the entire history of this country and it's treatment of non-whites. At what point did we "start over"? If we really are starting over with a clean slate, then how about doing something about the economic disparity between black and white? It's like someone jumping the gun in a race and then calling it equal when they are already half way around the track. Of course I'm not saying Janet is victim. The greater point is the way the media (and many people on here) give Justin a pass because he comes out and smiles for the camera but Janet is the devil in the flesh. Janet DID say she was sorry too. Did y'all miss that or something? The fact she is black and he is white does matter. Just because some of us point it out doesn't make us the cause of it. A fire will burn wether someone yells fire or not.. Understand it or not, that's up to you. But don't act like Justin being booted from the Motown special is racist. People have been shot, burned, lynched, enslaved and tortured under the banner of racism. Don't bring that word into something as trivial as this shit.

intha916 said:

I am not an "angry white man", and I am certainly not saying this situation has the gravity of deep-seeded racism. I am simply disappointed that some people are turning this into a race issue instead of a talent or worthiness issue, which is the REAL reason why Justin should not be hosting this event.

It would be okay though if R Kelly (who pisses in little girls mouths) got up their and grin from ear to ear.

I think all of this shit is stupid. and I think all that protesting is stupid also..

What people do these things? If they had a fucking job and something to do in life.. they wouldnt worry about who is hosting what regardless of the color.. It would be okay though if R Kelly (who pisses in little girls mouths) got up their and grin from ear to ear.


This country has morals of a spoiled child.
[This message was edited Tue Feb 24 15:57:03 2004 by Sdldawn]

Supporters of this, be proud! You are keeping racism alive and well! Bloody Hell!

So Justin is wrong to present a record label whos very purpose was cross over?

Justin sold Janet out? Says who? Janet is the only one in the know, and shes not said it. Even if she did, who says shes right?

But worst of all.....

"Justin got his blacks Folks Pass"?????

What the fuck is that about? We need to join a club!?!?!?

How can I be allowed into the club! Bend over when it suits?

So its a cultural insult? Should every black person stop using Electricty then?

America, you really need to wake up. Black America, a large percentage of you need to take your head out of your arse.

Fight racism when its a racist issue. Don't waste it on every thing that you disagree with.

laurarichardson said:

Where the hell did I stop anyone from making there own decisions, especially based on colour? Please, tell me.

Sure, I have an issue when a racist statement is made, but, is that a crime?

Are you saying I should ignore it? Please, tell me your view, rather than throw insults. Base it on the FACTS to date.

laurarichardson said:

I have no love for Justin, but why exactly is he an asshole? What did he do? (the facts, not assumption)?

By the way, why do we not have a hundred posts taking about how Janet has lost her white audience?, the way Justin has lost his black?

I truly think that if Justin handled the Superbowl situation better none of this would be an issue. But I love all the commits "black america, get your head out your arse", blah, blah, blah....I've said it before and I'll say it again. Soul music, r&b, whatever you want to call it..IS a part of Black CULTURE...why is it some form of "racism" if Black america sees something as counterfeit or flat out wrong. Why isn't Black culture viewed as some legitimate and yet Latin, Asian, etc culture is respected.

Christina Aquwhatever was criticize from the Latino community for making that latin cd because it seemed illegitimate.


I think Justing admires black music but has no real sense of black culture whereas Teena Marie and other white artist that have an understanding of the culture would not have gotten the response Justin has received.

Rhondab said:

so is country music and rock and roll apart of white culture?

Yea, segregation is great.

2freaky4church1 said:

It was never a black or white issue for me. I'm just happy to see that Justin not getting his way for once, whetether the reason for it is right or wrong. I just hate that he is the golden boy and faces no backlash because of the Janet thing and makes her the whore (which he is good at). I just love that he faces at least some adversity in his charmed life.

Rhondab said:

so is country music and rock and roll apart of white culture?