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Printablepurplegypsy said: SassierBritches said: purplegypsy said: agreed the constant message madonna says about that era is that she was turning her nose up at the fact that in society standards, women who were smart couldn't be sexy and provactive at the same time...and sassybitch, i KNOW YOU LOVE EROTICA...you'e said it many times. don't get all two faced on me you oral sex fiend! [This message was edited Tue Feb 3 19:13:10 PST 2004 by purplegypsy] i do love erotica. my favorite madonna records are like a prayer, ray of light, american life and erotica. it annoys me to no end that people NEED to compare janet and madonna but if i'm involved in a conversation that unfortunately does compare them, i will always stick by janet. i'm sorry but madonna (while i love her as an entertainer) is a mediocre singer, mediocre dancer (especially for someone who went to dance school), mediocre writer, and the two just shouldn't be compared. and besides, i thought it was you who no longer like madonna? honey i didn't like AMERICAN LIFE. that's a big difference. madonna sucked my koochie last night, how could i hate her?  | |
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VoicesCarry said: LemonPiE said: VoicesCarry said: purplegypsy said: I F**IN love Madonna's SEX BOOK! Still on my coffee table (with the back cover missing)
I loved it, too. Fucking hot, and I thought that it was some damn interesting photography. Janet isn't a has-been commercially, but artistically I think she's phoning it in. Can you be a has-been artistically? And SassyBritches, "American Life" sold 5 million copies worldwide, which is more than Erotica (her so-called "bomb") did in its first decade of release. Europe ate it up, and I loved about 6 or 7 tracks. Not her best, though. But hardly a failure commercially (at least on an international scale). I am sorry but I love Madonna but I have to say her sex book Sucked! I was so disappointed in it, It was not the best photography, the shots where staged and Madonna looked nothing but un natural in that Sadomasochism shots. You know it wasn't her, I was expecting beautiful erotica not dirty porn And you people talking about Madonna doing it with style that shit is a laugh it was raunchy and overrated. And that was the point not oh look at my pussy isn't that so Classy! NO It wasn't! Finally to say Janet is a has-been is so stupid, that statement is only practical in your minds. IMHO, artistically, she is. That is an opinion which obviously you don't hold. So get over it. Look! Don't get all offensive what is this "so get over it"? I was just clarifying my opinion not making yours seem less reasonable, Damn! Hot, like hot wings with hot chocolate in hell. Ah huh! | |
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purplegypsy said: SassierBritches said: purplegypsy said: agreed the constant message madonna says about that era is that she was turning her nose up at the fact that in society standards, women who were smart couldn't be sexy and provactive at the same time...and sassybitch, i KNOW YOU LOVE EROTICA...you'e said it many times. don't get all two faced on me you oral sex fiend! [This message was edited Tue Feb 3 19:13:10 PST 2004 by purplegypsy] i do love erotica. my favorite madonna records are like a prayer, ray of light, american life and erotica. it annoys me to no end that people NEED to compare janet and madonna but if i'm involved in a conversation that unfortunately does compare them, i will always stick by janet. i'm sorry but madonna (while i love her as an entertainer) is a mediocre singer, mediocre dancer (especially for someone who went to dance school), mediocre writer, and the two just shouldn't be compared. and besides, i thought it was you who no longer like madonna? honey i didn't like AMERICAN LIFE. that's a big difference. madonna sucked my koochie last night, how could i hate her? Is it still wet?!Hot, like hot wings with hot chocolate in hell. Ah huh! | |
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LemonPiE said: VoicesCarry said: LemonPiE said: VoicesCarry said: purplegypsy said: I F**IN love Madonna's SEX BOOK! Still on my coffee table (with the back cover missing)
I loved it, too. Fucking hot, and I thought that it was some damn interesting photography. Janet isn't a has-been commercially, but artistically I think she's phoning it in. Can you be a has-been artistically? And SassyBritches, "American Life" sold 5 million copies worldwide, which is more than Erotica (her so-called "bomb") did in its first decade of release. Europe ate it up, and I loved about 6 or 7 tracks. Not her best, though. But hardly a failure commercially (at least on an international scale). I am sorry but I love Madonna but I have to say her sex book Sucked! I was so disappointed in it, It was not the best photography, the shots where staged and Madonna looked nothing but un natural in that Sadomasochism shots. You know it wasn't her, I was expecting beautiful erotica not dirty porn And you people talking about Madonna doing it with style that shit is a laugh it was raunchy and overrated. And that was the point not oh look at my pussy isn't that so Classy! NO It wasn't! Finally to say Janet is a has-been is so stupid, that statement is only practical in your minds. IMHO, artistically, she is. That is an opinion which obviously you don't hold. So get over it. Look! Don't get all offensive what is this "so get over it"? I was just clarifying my opinion not making yours seem less reasonable, Damn! Sorry, I misunderstood what you said. My bad. | |
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VoicesCarry: Sorry, I misunderstood what you said. My bad.
 its cool!Hot, like hot wings with hot chocolate in hell. Ah huh! | |
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VoicesCarry said: SassierBritches said: purplegypsy said: agreed the constant message madonna says about that era is that she was turning her nose up at the fact that in society standards, women who were smart couldn't be sexy and provactive at the same time...and sassybitch, i KNOW YOU LOVE EROTICA...you'e said it many times. don't get all two faced on me you oral sex fiend! [This message was edited Tue Feb 3 19:13:10 PST 2004 by purplegypsy] i do love erotica. my favorite madonna records are like a prayer, ray of light, american life and erotica. it annoys me to no end that people NEED to compare janet and madonna but if i'm involved in a conversation that unfortunately does compare them, i will always stick by janet. i'm sorry but madonna (while i love her as an entertainer) is a mediocre singer, mediocre dancer (especially for someone who went to dance school), mediocre writer, and the two just shouldn't be compared. and besides, i thought it was you who no longer like madonna? Janet has a nice, pleasing voice, but it's wafer thin and she tends not to do live shows. Madonna's tours have always been live, and she usually performs live as well, so I have to give her more credit in the vocal department. As for dancing, I prefer Madonna, but that's subjective. Janet has recycled the same moves for 20 years, and now Britney's lifting it. She's a good dancer technically, but she needs to try different things. On each of her tours, Madonna shifts her style choreography-wise. And how can you compare someone who basically writes their entire musical output with someone who uses Jam and Lewis as her crutch for 20 years? Come on! Janet's improved a lot, and The Velvet Rope was especially good, but I've yet to hear a Janet song that has moved me as much as "Frozen" or "The Power Of Goodbye". There's just no comparison. She makes incredible dance-pop, but she doesn't often try to move beyond the surface sheen of the music when it comes to her lyrics. [This message was edited Tue Feb 3 19:27:01 PST 2004 by VoicesCarry] there are so many things wrong with that whole comment. i won't even bring up the things that were opinion...instead i'll stick to what is fact. janet does sing live. during any song that has minimal dancing she is singing. when there is a lot of dancing, janet uses a clip track so she can focus on the dance routine. watch the live in hawai'i dvd or the velvet rope dvd...all the ballads are sung live by janet and the less intense dance performances as well. as for madonna...girl has lyp sinched many times and further more, when she doesn't lip sync, she sounds awful. and, really, that is not opinion. remember the ray of light/shant ashtangi performance on mtv? how about any given night of the drowned world tour...her singing was so bad on the tour that the hbo special, which was eventually released on dvd, was digitally touched up on the dvd to make her sound better. i saw the show live in philly and, while it was a fun night, it didn't sound too hot. | |
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oh, and i forgot, voicescarry, about the whole writing producing thing. both artists (madonna and janet) are continually credited with co-writing and co-production credits. unless you actually work in the studio with both of these woman you have no way of knowing which one adds more to their work. | |
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SassierBritches said: VoicesCarry said: SassierBritches said: purplegypsy said: agreed the constant message madonna says about that era is that she was turning her nose up at the fact that in society standards, women who were smart couldn't be sexy and provactive at the same time...and sassybitch, i KNOW YOU LOVE EROTICA...you'e said it many times. don't get all two faced on me you oral sex fiend! [This message was edited Tue Feb 3 19:13:10 PST 2004 by purplegypsy] i do love erotica. my favorite madonna records are like a prayer, ray of light, american life and erotica. it annoys me to no end that people NEED to compare janet and madonna but if i'm involved in a conversation that unfortunately does compare them, i will always stick by janet. i'm sorry but madonna (while i love her as an entertainer) is a mediocre singer, mediocre dancer (especially for someone who went to dance school), mediocre writer, and the two just shouldn't be compared. and besides, i thought it was you who no longer like madonna? Janet has a nice, pleasing voice, but it's wafer thin and she tends not to do live shows. Madonna's tours have always been live, and she usually performs live as well, so I have to give her more credit in the vocal department. As for dancing, I prefer Madonna, but that's subjective. Janet has recycled the same moves for 20 years, and now Britney's lifting it. She's a good dancer technically, but she needs to try different things. On each of her tours, Madonna shifts her style choreography-wise. And how can you compare someone who basically writes their entire musical output with someone who uses Jam and Lewis as her crutch for 20 years? Come on! Janet's improved a lot, and The Velvet Rope was especially good, but I've yet to hear a Janet song that has moved me as much as "Frozen" or "The Power Of Goodbye". There's just no comparison. She makes incredible dance-pop, but she doesn't often try to move beyond the surface sheen of the music when it comes to her lyrics. [This message was edited Tue Feb 3 19:27:01 PST 2004 by VoicesCarry] there are so many things wrong with that whole comment. i won't even bring up the things that were opinion...instead i'll stick to what is fact. janet does sing live. during any song that has minimal dancing she is singing. when there is a lot of dancing, janet uses a clip track so she can focus on the dance routine. watch the live in hawai'i dvd or the velvet rope dvd...all the ballads are sung live by janet and the less intense dance performances as well. as for madonna...girl has lyp sinched many times and further more, when she doesn't lip sync, she sounds awful. and, really, that is not opinion. remember the ray of light/shant ashtangi performance on mtv? how about any given night of the drowned world tour...her singing was so bad on the tour that the hbo special, which was eventually released on dvd, was digitally touched up on the dvd to make her sound better. i saw the show live in philly and, while it was a fun night, it didn't sound too hot. Madonna has her off days, just like Janet. She does lip synch occasionally, but on every live promo video I've seen from ROL onward, she sings live. There are imperfections in her voice, and she's not perfect, but it's live, and I respect that. I have many bootlegs of her concerts, and I guess we haven't heard the same thing. But I remember how pissed off people were that TVR tour was just about 100% lipsynched. You're paying for her dancing - what about her music? | |
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SassierBritches said: , janet does sing live. during any song that has minimal dancing she is singing. when there is a lot of dancing, janet uses a clip track so she can focus on the dance routine. watch the live in hawai'i dvd or the velvet rope dvd...all the ballads are sung live by janet and the less intense dance performances as well. as for madonna...girl has lyp sinched many times and further more, when she doesn't lip sync, .
i think britney sounds better than both of them when she sings live! Let the rain come down...17 days.... | |
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SassierBritches said: oh, and i forgot, voicescarry, about the whole writing producing thing. both artists (madonna and janet) are continually credited with co-writing and co-production credits. unless you actually work in the studio with both of these woman you have no way of knowing which one adds more to their work.
Yes, but the fact that Madonna has managed consistent quality output with a plethora of different producers indicates to me that she's heavily involved in the production. The consistency of it is not something you'd get if you were a producer's puppet. Janet has stuck to Jam & Lewis like glue because they're good for her, and because they provide her with consistent hits. Their brilliance is certified. This is not to say she does nothing, but it isn't to Madonna's extent. By the way, there are videos of her working in studio, and she isn't just there twiddling her thumbs lol. And Madonna has self-produced other artists many times. She also writes many of her songs with no co-writer credit. [This message was edited Tue Feb 3 19:44:55 PST 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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VoicesCarry said: SassierBritches said: VoicesCarry said: SassierBritches said: purplegypsy said: agreed the constant message madonna says about that era is that she was turning her nose up at the fact that in society standards, women who were smart couldn't be sexy and provactive at the same time...and sassybitch, i KNOW YOU LOVE EROTICA...you'e said it many times. don't get all two faced on me you oral sex fiend! [This message was edited Tue Feb 3 19:13:10 PST 2004 by purplegypsy] i do love erotica. my favorite madonna records are like a prayer, ray of light, american life and erotica. it annoys me to no end that people NEED to compare janet and madonna but if i'm involved in a conversation that unfortunately does compare them, i will always stick by janet. i'm sorry but madonna (while i love her as an entertainer) is a mediocre singer, mediocre dancer (especially for someone who went to dance school), mediocre writer, and the two just shouldn't be compared. and besides, i thought it was you who no longer like madonna? Janet has a nice, pleasing voice, but it's wafer thin and she tends not to do live shows. Madonna's tours have always been live, and she usually performs live as well, so I have to give her more credit in the vocal department. As for dancing, I prefer Madonna, but that's subjective. Janet has recycled the same moves for 20 years, and now Britney's lifting it. She's a good dancer technically, but she needs to try different things. On each of her tours, Madonna shifts her style choreography-wise. And how can you compare someone who basically writes their entire musical output with someone who uses Jam and Lewis as her crutch for 20 years? Come on! Janet's improved a lot, and The Velvet Rope was especially good, but I've yet to hear a Janet song that has moved me as much as "Frozen" or "The Power Of Goodbye". There's just no comparison. She makes incredible dance-pop, but she doesn't often try to move beyond the surface sheen of the music when it comes to her lyrics. [This message was edited Tue Feb 3 19:27:01 PST 2004 by VoicesCarry] there are so many things wrong with that whole comment. i won't even bring up the things that were opinion...instead i'll stick to what is fact. janet does sing live. during any song that has minimal dancing she is singing. when there is a lot of dancing, janet uses a clip track so she can focus on the dance routine. watch the live in hawai'i dvd or the velvet rope dvd...all the ballads are sung live by janet and the less intense dance performances as well. as for madonna...girl has lyp sinched many times and further more, when she doesn't lip sync, she sounds awful. and, really, that is not opinion. remember the ray of light/shant ashtangi performance on mtv? how about any given night of the drowned world tour...her singing was so bad on the tour that the hbo special, which was eventually released on dvd, was digitally touched up on the dvd to make her sound better. i saw the show live in philly and, while it was a fun night, it didn't sound too hot. Madonna has her off days, just like Janet. She does lip synch occasionally, but on every live promo video I've seen from ROL onward, she sings live. There are imperfections in her voice, and she's not perfect, but it's live, and I respect that. I have many bootlegs of her concerts, and I guess we haven't heard the same thing. But I remember how pissed off people were that TVR tour was just about 100% lipsynched. You're paying for her dancing - what about her music? the whinging over janet dancing and lip synching are a no win situation for her. if she chooses to be a singer on tour, she won't be able to do those huge choreographed dances and people will complain about that. if she does the dances, she can't sing at the same time and people bitch about that. and that's assuming people actually complained. i saw the velvet rope show and i don't remember anybody...at all...complaining about that show. and i aso think the majority of people who go to a janet show recognize that she will need to use her clip track during the intense numbers. even madonna said "i had to decide if i wanted to be a singer or a dancer. i chose to be a dancer tonight" in regards to (what you call) her off night at the mtv awards. | |
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purplegypsy said: SassierBritches said: , janet does sing live. during any song that has minimal dancing she is singing. when there is a lot of dancing, janet uses a clip track so she can focus on the dance routine. watch the live in hawai'i dvd or the velvet rope dvd...all the ballads are sung live by janet and the less intense dance performances as well. as for madonna...girl has lyp sinched many times and further more, when she doesn't lip sync, .
i think britney sounds better than both of them when she sings live! pfff...whateva, treva!  | |
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purplegypsy said: SassierBritches said: , janet does sing live. during any song that has minimal dancing she is singing. when there is a lot of dancing, janet uses a clip track so she can focus on the dance routine. watch the live in hawai'i dvd or the velvet rope dvd...all the ballads are sung live by janet and the less intense dance performances as well. as for madonna...girl has lyp sinched many times and further more, when she doesn't lip sync, .
i think britney sounds better than both of them when she sings live! Britney's sung live? When?  | |
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VoicesCarry said: purplegypsy said: SassierBritches said: , janet does sing live. during any song that has minimal dancing she is singing. when there is a lot of dancing, janet uses a clip track so she can focus on the dance routine. watch the live in hawai'i dvd or the velvet rope dvd...all the ballads are sung live by janet and the less intense dance performances as well. as for madonna...girl has lyp sinched many times and further more, when she doesn't lip sync, .
i think britney sounds better than both of them when she sings live! Britney's sung live? When? Cutie pies, that was sarcasm!!! Let the rain come down...17 days.... | |
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purplegypsy said: VoicesCarry said: purplegypsy said: SassierBritches said: , janet does sing live. during any song that has minimal dancing she is singing. when there is a lot of dancing, janet uses a clip track so she can focus on the dance routine. watch the live in hawai'i dvd or the velvet rope dvd...all the ballads are sung live by janet and the less intense dance performances as well. as for madonna...girl has lyp sinched many times and further more, when she doesn't lip sync, .
i think britney sounds better than both of them when she sings live! Britney's sung live? When? Cutie pies, that was sarcasm!!! Hey, I was curious to hear what she sounded like without the studio tinkering to bring her into the right octave. I guess that will remain a mystery...for now. | |
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purplegypsy said: VoicesCarry said: purplegypsy said: SassierBritches said: , janet does sing live. during any song that has minimal dancing she is singing. when there is a lot of dancing, janet uses a clip track so she can focus on the dance routine. watch the live in hawai'i dvd or the velvet rope dvd...all the ballads are sung live by janet and the less intense dance performances as well. as for madonna...girl has lyp sinched many times and further more, when she doesn't lip sync, .
i think britney sounds better than both of them when she sings live! Britney's sung live? When? Cutie pies, that was sarcasm!!! oh i know...i was just umouring you dahling! | |
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SassierBritches said: i never said it was a bomb...i was referring to panthagirl calling janet a has been. my point was that janet's last record did better than madonna's last record so why is this woman calling janet a has been. sorry, i should have made that more clear for you. my bad.
I labelled Janet a HAS BEEN because that is my opinion & I'm entitled 2 it. I didn't mind some of her tracks from the late 80's & earlier 90's but artistically she lost her touch a long time ago. My opinion is not based on something as superficial as record sales, I look at other factors such as: Class (she proved she has none) Style (overrated & getting old) Dancing (fossilized) Music (repetitive & fossilized) etc, etc, etc...  | |
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PanthaGirl said: SassierBritches said: i never said it was a bomb...i was referring to panthagirl calling janet a has been. my point was that janet's last record did better than madonna's last record so why is this woman calling janet a has been. sorry, i should have made that more clear for you. my bad.
I labelled Janet a HAS BEEN because that is my opinion & I'm entitled 2 it. I didn't mind some of her tracks from the late 80's & earlier 90's but artistically she lost her touch a long time ago. My opinion is not based on something as superficial as record sales, I look at other factors such as: Class (she proved she has none) Style (overrated & getting old) Dancing (fossilized) Music (repetitive & fossilized) etc, etc, etc... funny, some people would substitute the name janet with madonna and present you with the same comment. everything you said was an opinion. and that's cool. the world would be terribly boring if everyone thought the same way. i would choose my words a little more carefully if i were you because, honestly, one could say the exact same things about madonna. so, look, y'all...this is it...its official: i will no longer feed the ridiculous comparative argument over janet v. madonna. i said it before: its sooo 90's! | |
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SassierBritches said: PanthaGirl said: SassierBritches said: i never said it was a bomb...i was referring to panthagirl calling janet a has been. my point was that janet's last record did better than madonna's last record so why is this woman calling janet a has been. sorry, i should have made that more clear for you. my bad.
I labelled Janet a HAS BEEN because that is my opinion & I'm entitled 2 it. I didn't mind some of her tracks from the late 80's & earlier 90's but artistically she lost her touch a long time ago. My opinion is not based on something as superficial as record sales, I look at other factors such as: Class (she proved she has none) Style (overrated & getting old) Dancing (fossilized) Music (repetitive & fossilized) etc, etc, etc... funny, some people would substitute the name janet with madonna and present you with the same comment. everything you said was an opinion. and that's cool. the world would be terribly boring if everyone thought the same way. i would choose my words a little more carefully if i were you because, honestly, one could say the exact same things about madonna. so, look, y'all...this is it...its official: i will no longer feed the ridiculous comparative argument over janet v. madonna. i said it before: its sooo 90's! Fair Enough Sassier, But Next Time Please Don't Say That I Should Choose My Words More Carefully. Have Some Form Of Respect. Over N' Out...  | |
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PanthaGirl said: SassierBritches said: PanthaGirl said: SassierBritches said: i never said it was a bomb...i was referring to panthagirl calling janet a has been. my point was that janet's last record did better than madonna's last record so why is this woman calling janet a has been. sorry, i should have made that more clear for you. my bad.
I labelled Janet a HAS BEEN because that is my opinion & I'm entitled 2 it. I didn't mind some of her tracks from the late 80's & earlier 90's but artistically she lost her touch a long time ago. My opinion is not based on something as superficial as record sales, I look at other factors such as: Class (she proved she has none) Style (overrated & getting old) Dancing (fossilized) Music (repetitive & fossilized) etc, etc, etc... funny, some people would substitute the name janet with madonna and present you with the same comment. everything you said was an opinion. and that's cool. the world would be terribly boring if everyone thought the same way. i would choose my words a little more carefully if i were you because, honestly, one could say the exact same things about madonna. so, look, y'all...this is it...its official: i will no longer feed the ridiculous comparative argument over janet v. madonna. i said it before: its sooo 90's! Fair Enough Sassier, But Next Time Please Don't Say That I Should Choose My Words More Carefully. Have Some Form Of Respect. Over N' Out... i guess i just don't have any class  | |
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SassierBritches said: PanthaGirl said: SassierBritches said: PanthaGirl said: SassierBritches said: i never said it was a bomb...i was referring to panthagirl calling janet a has been. my point was that janet's last record did better than madonna's last record so why is this woman calling janet a has been. sorry, i should have made that more clear for you. my bad.
I labelled Janet a HAS BEEN because that is my opinion & I'm entitled 2 it. I didn't mind some of her tracks from the late 80's & earlier 90's but artistically she lost her touch a long time ago. My opinion is not based on something as superficial as record sales, I look at other factors such as: Class (she proved she has none) Style (overrated & getting old) Dancing (fossilized) Music (repetitive & fossilized) etc, etc, etc... funny, some people would substitute the name janet with madonna and present you with the same comment. everything you said was an opinion. and that's cool. the world would be terribly boring if everyone thought the same way. i would choose my words a little more carefully if i were you because, honestly, one could say the exact same things about madonna. so, look, y'all...this is it...its official: i will no longer feed the ridiculous comparative argument over janet v. madonna. i said it before: its sooo 90's! Fair Enough Sassier, But Next Time Please Don't Say That I Should Choose My Words More Carefully. Have Some Form Of Respect. Over N' Out... i guess i just don't have any class  | |
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This will be the most out done of all. The JJ breast exposure compared to the Britney/Madonna kiss. Justin and JJ topped it off. Maybe this is Justins getting back at Britney kiss??? 
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moderatorSassierBritches said: purplegypsy said: agreed the constant message madonna says about that era is that she was turning her nose up at the fact that in society standards, women who were smart couldn't be sexy and provactive at the same time...and sassybitch, i KNOW YOU LOVE EROTICA...you'e said it many times. don't get all two faced on me you oral sex fiend! [This message was edited Tue Feb 3 19:13:10 PST 2004 by purplegypsy] i do love erotica. my favorite madonna records are like a prayer, ray of light, american life and erotica. it annoys me to no end that people NEED to compare janet and madonna but if i'm involved in a conversation that unfortunately does compare them, i will always stick by janet. i'm sorry but madonna (while i love her as an entertainer) is a mediocre singer, mediocre dancer (especially for someone who went to dance school), mediocre writer, and the two just shouldn't be compared. Oh please! Janet is the most "mediocre" singer of all.Her vocals are as thin as air.If she wasn't a Jackson,I doubt that she would have even gotten a record contract in the first place.
I really didn't want to engage in a silly Madonna Vs.Janet war.I actually like some of Janet's earlier work (although I lost interest after 'Rhythm Nation').But if you attack Madonna,I can't remain silent  | |
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VoicesCarry said: SassierBritches said: purplegypsy said: agreed the constant message madonna says about that era is that she was turning her nose up at the fact that in society standards, women who were smart couldn't be sexy and provactive at the same time...and sassybitch, i KNOW YOU LOVE EROTICA...you'e said it many times. don't get all two faced on me you oral sex fiend! [This message was edited Tue Feb 3 19:13:10 PST 2004 by purplegypsy] i do love erotica. my favorite madonna records are like a prayer, ray of light, american life and erotica. it annoys me to no end that people NEED to compare janet and madonna but if i'm involved in a conversation that unfortunately does compare them, i will always stick by janet. i'm sorry but madonna (while i love her as an entertainer) is a mediocre singer, mediocre dancer (especially for someone who went to dance school), mediocre writer, and the two just shouldn't be compared. and besides, i thought it was you who no longer like madonna? Janet has a nice, pleasing voice, but it's wafer thin and she tends not to do live shows. Madonna's tours have always been live, and she usually performs live as well, so I have to give her more credit in the vocal department. As for dancing, I prefer Madonna, but that's subjective. Janet has recycled the same moves for 20 years, and now Britney's lifting it. She's a good dancer technically, but she needs to try different things. On each of her tours, Madonna shifts her style choreography-wise. And how can you compare someone who basically writes their entire musical output with someone who uses Jam and Lewis as her crutch for 20 years? Come on! Janet's improved a lot, and The Velvet Rope was especially good, but I've yet to hear a Janet song that has moved me as much as "Frozen" or "The Power Of Goodbye". There's just no comparison. She makes incredible dance-pop, but she doesn't often try to move beyond the surface sheen of the music when it comes to her lyrics. And I'm really getting tired of the sex obsession she seems to have. Madonna did Erotica, but even then there were some really great songs about other things (her friend dying of AIDS, "Deeper And Deeper", "Rain"). I loved The Velvet Rope because I really sensed that Jan was trying to do something different. There were glimpses of that on RN, too - "State Of The World", for example. Then she makes All For You, which said a lot about sex but none of it interesting (Prince is about the only person who can do this). There might have been a really interesting album about her divorce somewhere in there (hinted at on "Better Days", a really good cut), but she took the easy way out. Now she's trying to do "Dirty Mind", but with her track record I'm afraid of what the final product will sound like.  Artistically and creatively,Madonna is MILES ahead of Janet.I've said this many times in the past...for the most part,Janet just makes the same record over and over.She's still stuck in 1993,playing the horny-sex-kitten role.She really hasn't evolved.Janet's music is basically just bass-heavy R&B with nasty lyrics and an increasing use of samples.She would never ditch Jam and Lewis and make a bold,challenging album like 'Ray Of Light' or 'Music'.Instead,she's getting ready to release yet another "sex" album,complete with the faked orgasms,no doubt. | |
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SassierBritches said: VoicesCarry said: And SassyBritches, "American Life" sold 5 million copies worldwide, which is more than Erotica (her so-called "bomb") did in its first decade of release. Europe ate it up, and I loved about 6 or 7 tracks. Not her best, though. But hardly a failure commercially (at least on an international scale).
yes, american life sold over 5 million records worldwide...and less than 500,000 in the U.S.. i am not one to care about record sales but if you want to bring up 'has beens' you need to start with the woman in your avatar, heehee! i personally loved american life...its one of my three favorite madonna releases. but i think it pails in comparison to anything janet's done since dreamstreet. since you wanna bring up record sales,you should know that,in the last 20 years, Madonna has sold many more albums than Janet has.In fact,the only female artist who has outsold Madonna is Barbra Streisand...lol...I'm sure you've seen those threads where the top-selling artists of all-time are listed. | |
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I wish Madonna would lipsync more often. They shouldnt allow her to sing live! And i thought Prince-fans were musiclovers. I'm not much of a Janet fan either but at least she got some musical potential. But after readin this post i'm sure i'm talkin to the deaf and dumb... --- Where am I? ---
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Janet has had 5 hit albums over the last 20 years, Madonna has had 10, not to mention all the hit singles that didnt feature on those albums.
Janet found her formula on Rhythm Nation, and hasn't changed it much since. She's never been a good lyricist, and has pigeon holed herself musically. Style wise her costumes border on the ridiculous. Madonna has continually shifted musical styles, always written lyrics that were articulate and revealing, and is generally considered to have an accute sense of style and fashion. Madonna is as successful in Europe as she has been in America, Janet is a hit in the states but no where else really cares about her. Her singing live is never perfect, but she has a much superior voice to janets paper thin whisper. Janet is a good live performer, but simply recycles the same performances for each tour. Madonna always puts on a completely new production, and dont even try to tell me Janet has every done anything that even comes close to the Blond Ambition tour. And then there's the shock value. Since her career began madonna has been sexually provocative and pushed the gender lines wherever possible. Madonna has done as much for female empowerment as is possible for a mainstream pop artist to do. Janets contrived sexual exploits are outdated, pointless, and just not convincing. That little stunt at the superbowl looked crass, not least for the manner in which it was done but the place it was done in. Hell when madonna exposed her breasts in public, she did it at a camp french fashion show, a slightly more appropriate venue to the family event that is the superbowl. I dont dislike Janet, I think shes done some great tracks, but to try and compare her to madonna is ridiculous, Madonna has exceeded Janet in every area. Janet is simply an extension of the Jackson brand, a brand that got tired and outdated in the mid eighties. Madonna on the other had has reinvented her style, image and music continuously to ensure that she holds that one key factor that eludes Janet...relevance. | |
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CrozzaUK said: Janet has had 5 hit albums over the last 20 years, Madonna has had 10, not to mention all the hit singles that didnt feature on those albums.
Janet found her formula on Rhythm Nation, and hasn't changed it much since. She's never been a good lyricist, and has pigeon holed herself musically. Style wise her costumes border on the ridiculous. Madonna has continually shifted musical styles, always written lyrics that were articulate and revealing, and is generally considered to have an accute sense of style and fashion. Madonna is as successful in Europe as she has been in America, Janet is a hit in the states but no where else really cares about her. Her singing live is never perfect, but she has a much superior voice to janets paper thin whisper. Janet is a good live performer, but simply recycles the same performances for each tour. Madonna always puts on a completely new production, and dont even try to tell me Janet has every done anything that even comes close to the Blond Ambition tour. And then there's the shock value. Since her career began madonna has been sexually provocative and pushed the gender lines wherever possible. Madonna has done as much for female empowerment as is possible for a mainstream pop artist to do. Janets contrived sexual exploits are outdated, pointless, and just not convincing. That little stunt at the superbowl looked crass, not least for the manner in which it was done but the place it was done in. Hell when madonna exposed her breasts in public, she did it at a camp french fashion show, a slightly more appropriate venue to the family event that is the superbowl. I dont dislike Janet, I think shes done some great tracks, but to try and compare her to madonna is ridiculous, Madonna has exceeded Janet in every area. Janet is simply an extension of the Jackson brand, a brand that got tired and outdated in the mid eighties. Madonna on the other had has reinvented her style, image and music continuously to ensure that she holds that one key factor that eludes Janet...relevance.  | |
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