PrimordialOoze said:

AMEN!

It's not a pasty
There is a close up posted here:
http://www.prince.org/msg/100/78757
but not a "malfunction" either.

It was funny to me but not very well thought out...

BlaqueKnight said:

You're my best friend! Finally someone with some sense!

You just know the album's going to be awful when a pop star who's been around for 20 years tries to outskank Britney by whipping out one the girls on national live television.

1. Whip tits out
2. Release album
3. ???
4. Profit!

Guess she must be really insecure about the tepid "Love Me For A Little While".

I always guessed Janet had some class. I guessed wrong.
[This message was edited Mon Feb 2 10:42:58 PST 2004 by VoicesCarry]

The only thing that's shocking is that this thread appears on a PRINCE fansite. Prince, one of the most sexually-button-pushing artists of all time, and his adult fans are here crying about the "state of morality" in America today. What bullshit.

How about this, parents? Instead of trying to shield your kids from all the "bad" things in the world (Janet's breast qualifies, apparently?), why not introduce them to these things in a way that renders sexuality, nudity, and the like a positive, as opposed to dirty, thing? Why encourage snickering and embarrassment?

Janet, like Madonna a few months ago, wanted to push a few cultural buttons in advance of the release of her album. Surprise -- America fell for it again. The proper response to an exposed breast on TV, in the context of trying to be "shocking," should be "Ho-hum." I look forward to that day.

BlaqueKnight said:

I don't think many will disagree with you, BUT Janet's stunt was pulled on basic tv, not cable tv like the assless pants,girls kissing crap. This was done at the Super Bowl! So, you're right it's a no-lose situation for Janet! But what did she really gain? We'll have to wait and see...

Adisa said:

Janet Jackson's Bare Breast Sparks FCC Probe

By Jeremy Pelofsky

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An outraged Federal Communications Commission Chairman Michael Powell on Monday ordered an investigation into the broadcast of the Super Bowl's halftime entertainment show, during which singer Janet Jackson's right breast was exposed.

During the break in the National Football League's championship game, pop singer Justin Timberlake reached for Jackson as they sang a duet and tore open part of her black leather bustier.

"That celebration was tainted by a classless, crass and deplorable stunt," Powell said in a statement. "Our nation's children, parents and citizens deserve better."

Television networks are already on the defensive, with the FCC (news - web sites) taking a more aggressive stand against indecency over the airwaves and Congress threatening to sharply raise the fines for such incidents.

Viacom Inc.'s CBS television network, which aired the show, and MTV, which produced the halftime bonanza, apologized for what they described as an unscripted moment.

A spokesman for CBS had no immediate comment on the probe and a Viacom spokesman was not immediately available for comment.

"We attended all rehearsals throughout the week and there was no indication that any such thing would happen," CBS said. "The moment did not conform to CBS broadcast standards and we would like to apologize to anyone who was offended."

Powell promised a "thorough and swift" investigation by the agency's enforcement division. Scores of complaints were coming in to the FCC about Jackson and other portions of the entertainment segment of the game.

When the FCC was bombarded with complaints about the fashion show by lingerie retailer Victoria's Secret that aired on Walt Disney Co.'s ABC broadcast network in 2001, the agency declined to take action because the material was not "so graphic or explicit as to be patently offensive."

CBS picked up the lingerie show after ABC reportedly declined to air the fashion show the following year. As part of a tougher stance against indecency at times when children are likely to be watching, the FCC is considering action against General Electric Co.'s NBC television network for an incident in which U2 rocker Bono said "f---ing brilliant" when accepting an award on a live broadcast.

Federal indecency rules bar the broadcast of obscene material and limit the airing of indecent material that contains sexual or excretory references in a patently offensive manner to late night hours when children are less likely to be watching.

TedW said:

Although I do not consider myself to be a prude, a few of the Prince stunts from back in the day I found offensive. Mayte topless, the groping he used to do to various women, etc. I am a parent. When any other television show comes on that may have harsh language or nudity, we are given a warning beforehand. Even if it was an accident and only part of her clothing was going to be snatched off, maybe folks don't to see it or want their kids to see it. As far as teaching my kids about sexuality and nudity, I will teach them that you don't go around exposing your body to sell something.

i just find this entire fiasco extremely silly. mo' later from me.

Cloudbuster said:

She should get the chair for that.

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Hey babe. Yeah, I'm still around.

Did Janet do a concert called "All For You" in Hawaii in which she showed herself changing in and out of clothes between songs? Ok, so it was her righ tbreats being exposed but she definetely exposed a whole lot more in that!
Either which way...Janet it's time to retire.

TedW said:

Maybe we are more willing to accept prince's sexually graphic-ness because he is so talented, musically. Janet can dance her ass off but...

AdoreDaBang1 said:

Excuses, excuses. It's pathetic, really, and all of you people hatin' on Janet are hypocris. Get over it.
[This message was edited Mon Feb 2 12:25:50 PST 2004 by theVelvetRoper]

It was fun, even though it's a bit last century Madonna...

TedW said:

Prince never whipped his dick out on public television.

And at least Prince, while definitely using the sex/shock tactic, never then weenied out of anything by saying something he did was a "malfunction" or "accident".

If Janet and Justin felt they needed to rely on her having a boob revealed to add some oomph or interest to her/their performance, they could have at least 1) chosen a more appropriate place to pull the stunt instead of on live public television (where, despite JJ and JT being the untouchable "musical talents" they are, there are STILL FCC regulations and rules to follow; and then 2) once the shit started hitting the fan they could've shown some balls and stood by their tacky, ill-timed stunt.

For me, there's a big difference between Prince's use of sex and shock value sexuality, and yet another aging or falling pop star jumping on the bandwagon and using some T&A to try to extend their waning career or pump up record sales.
[This message was edited Mon Feb 2 13:10:30 PST 2004 by PrimordialOoze]

You people are such incredible prudes. It's a breast. It's a nipple. Holy geezus. If there is any child out there old enough to care about what they are seeing who has NOT seen a woman's breast yet, good, JJ did the world a service in saving them from the prudishness of their parents.

Sex-positivity. . .

PrimordialOoze said:

Key words being "for me". This is probably because you hold Prince in higher regards. Prince never whipped his dick out, but he DID show his asscheeks. No different. Shock value is shock value. Janet's fan's, like MJ's fans aren't going anywhere. Janet is 8 or 9 years younger than Prince, so if she's aging, what does that make him? Rock stars do as rock stars do. Deal with it or bounce. Antics aren't going anywhere. If you took the glitz, glam and shock out of superstardom, it would be BORING. Who wants to be bored?


MelissaC said:

interesting...

Its ok for Justin to pump her ass...its ok for Nelly to sing "its hot in herre, take all of your clothes"...


this was not a big deal...where is lil kims tit...remember that...

For me it's not so much about the act as much as it was the forum in which it occured. Janet's breast shouldn't have been exposed during the Super Bowl. Either you get that or you don't.

BlaqueKnight said:

Yes, I deliberately used those words as I was speaking for myself and my opinion.



I am a Prince fan and not a huge Janet fan but if Prince had ever whipped his penis out during a live televised show on public tv I would have been just as disgusted and disappointed in him as I am with Janet's little display. While yes I am a big Prince fan, I (unlike others) am still able to view him with a realistic eye and not just blindly say everything he says or does, musically or personally, is "great" just because he's Prince.



Yes he did and most people and even a good majority of his own hardcore fans/fams thought his buttless pants were a rather silly, pathetic and unnecessary stunt that backfired on him. Just like Janet's pathetic, unnecessary and ill-conceived stunt at the SuperBowl. It was a bad idea to do what she did at that particular time and place - for many reasons.



I agree with you that outlandish antics and stunts and rock stars go hand in hand. A good publicity stunt spices things up and keeps things interesting. My problem with this particular incident is:
1. There is a time and place for everything. If Miss Jackson wants to let her tit flop out for impact or shock value, hey go ahead. But maybe do it on Pay Per View, or at a concert...not on public television where there are FCC rules and regulations that mere mortals are supposed to adhere to (though I guess JJ and JT think they're above the law) If and when those FCC rules ever change, then this part of my argument would be moot but at the moment, it's relevent. It was NOT appropriate for her to have let her boob hang out during the SuperBowl halftime show. She should have used better judgement. In fact, none of that boring sleazefest was really appropriate - the dry humping, the crotch grabbing, etc.
2. If someone is going to insist on pulling a stunt - of ANY kind, nudity, sexual explicitness or anything esle - at least don't be halfassed and wimp out and LIE and claim it was "an accident" just because the heat starts getting on you.

And lastly, if Janet wanted to pull a stunt to "shock" people and/or get them talking about her and her new album, at least find something new and interesting other than morphing into yet another in a long, long (and increasingly tired and tedious) line of skanks and sleazes. It doesn't take much imagination to flash a tit.
[This message was edited Mon Feb 2 19:06:41 PST 2004 by PrimordialOoze]

violator said:

Exactly.

A naked breast isn't really that big of a deal.

Where that naked breast is shown, and the context in which it gets displayed...is.

Jasziah said:

My guess is that they never really expect anything like that at the SuperBowl so it is live live and not any a seven second delay or something.

My comment on the issue is that while it was not the most apporpraite place to show the boob (by the boob I mean, Justin!) but I hardly tink the NFL should be so high and mighty. I hardly think that if we looked into the lives of the people that are part of the NFL that they are the poster children for family values. Showing a boob is nothing compared to the lives these guys live!

Marrk said:

Crap, that metal thing was almost bigger than her boob...almost! I mean, it would take a lot of metal to cover that whole thing...

Rhondab said:

Rhondab, I'm glad you mentioned Justin's behavior before the stripping incident. He was groping, slapping, freaking and being very much the animal. I was disgusted, when I saw that but utterly floored by the finale.

You're right, though.


And, newscasts today STILL ignored the Aguilera participation in that Madonna kiss from last year!!! I'm startin' to really find that amusing...

here's my thoughts on the entire fiasco...i just posted this in my livejournal:

i myself think that it was a totally stupid move. just classless, y'know--i know what you're thinkin right now: "but, you're a prince fan. a fucking prince fan--he was a damned sexualated little sex freek back in the day! why are you buggin about janet's boob, fer fux sake?!?"

the thing about it is this: the difference between the whole sex thing with prince and janet is that ol' boy has been in total freak-mode since dirty mind (if ya really wanna take it higher, he started gettin into freak mode on his 2nd album!). janet just recently hopped on the 'sex freek' bandwagon--it saddens me a bit, really, cuz i think janet is a great singer/performer/what-have-you. i kinda think it's sorta degrading when you resort to being super-sexual late in your career, just cuz it's the 'in' thing to do or whatever else.

plus, cbs and the fcc are shittin kittens over it, which is totally ill. fer fux sake, cbs shows those victoria's secret shows from time to time and there they were, buggin over janet's boobie! who gives a shit if nobody told 'em about it beforehand...i've seen worse on network teevee than the mere tit of a superstar. 'sides, what's so bad about a bare breast? we've all seen a bare female breast (or two, eheh)--if you were breast-fed as a baby, you seen 'em. if you're a female, you see 'em every day when you're naked. if you're a guy and have a girlfriend, most likely you've seen boobage.

what is so horrible about seeing someone else's bare boobs on teevee? i don't get it...teevee censors are so lenient, yet so...puritanical, all in the same go.

but that's awright...janet's still cool peeps. she just needs to keep the tits n'stuff under wraps. heh. be sexxy, but not trashy. gawd, i so wish i knew where my friend don was and had his phone number so i could talk to him--he's a huge janet jackson fan (he's into janet like i'm into prince). i'd pick on him a bit right now..."oh m'gawd don, did you see your wife's titty on teevee last night??? justin timberspazz is a perv!" i call janet his "wife", tee-hee.

theVelvetRoper said:

Oh, I'm not hatin on her, I am fascinated by boobies. I think what she did was wrong, hilarious, but wrong. But I ain't mad at her, anymore than I was at P baring his hairy ass or Madonna and her crazy shit. Wasn't mad at Vanessa Williams either. Just trying to figure why folk who are Prince fans would be so disgusted with Janet. I figure Prince fans are a little more...understanding of freaky stuff.