And you said "huge" again.

I can't say for sure whether Michael Jackson is guilty of his molestation charges.

I do, however, know:


* Michael has long demonstrated a need to portray himself as some sort of messianic, children's advocate who is in a perpetual state of martyrdom for their benefit. But, many people are understandably troubled by the fact that he lies about things that seem obvious to most people: his extreme amounts of plastic surgery for one. And someone who has so obviously obsessed about Anglo-sizing his physical characteristics in the past decade or so (he even seems to dye his older son's hair blond) and denies doing so is a normal candidate for scrutiny with regard to his truthfulness, especially if ...

* ... that man seems unnaturally drawn to young people. It may not be to the degree that he molests them, but MJ seems to PURSUE the company of young people to a degree that seems unnatural for a man his age and stature. This is anything but new. In the 1980s, he would show up at awards ceremonies with child actor Emmanuel Lewis, when other music stars were showing up with adult dates. There was a lot of head-scratching back then, too. His apparent dating of Brooke Shields at the time of it helped blow over a lot of that concern, though.

* he seems surrounded by people who present conflicting assessments of his views on sexuality. Many describe him as a "normal" man with normal, adult sexuality, but a number of others dispute that. (Anyone remember Madonna's take on MJ?) There is even sufficient evidence to suggest that he's not the biological father of his children, the most damning being the Deborah Rowe proceedings.

Either MJ is an asexual being with no interest in sex (which wouldn't come close to explaining the sex that infuses his songs, videos and dance moves), or he's a relatively normal adult who's familiar with sexual urges who, again, seems unnaturally focused on being around young people. The latter is cause for concern.

Even the most diehard MJ fan has never been able to explain to me that dualistic alibi of his."I'm Peter Pan, and sex is foreign to me. But, wait, I write songs about mature, sexual relationships all the time..."

Cloudbuster said:

I know I said huge again. I was referring to you

VoicesCarry said:

Well, he is eccentric. And although that doesn't excuse his behaviour it sure as hell explains a lot of it.

kisscamille said:

you know not all hard-core mj fans just agree with every little thing mj does, and some of them do not agree on the whole kiddy sleep overs either

anyway, I dont see MJ spending time with children as an issue, but just well sleeping with them is, he claims that Gavin slept on the floor but went ahead to say its still fine to sleep with children if your a good person, as if to say its fine for me to sleep with kids because im pure. but hes still missing the point. I think its obvious that mj is not a peadophile and doesn't have any bad intentions, but at the same time i dont really think its seen as healthy in contemporary society for a 45 year old to constantly seek the company of children. He can't keep using his lack of a childhood as an excuse or some sort of special exemption.

i got real mixed feelings about this whole issue, Im huge William Blake fan, and so when i hear mj say about his love for children, innocence etc etc and i feel that i understand i think in that context yeah showing your love for children is the best thing you could do, but in reality i know this is far from fine, i know that it is percieved as this and that.

It's sad because of this one weakness he's been expolited twice now and this time with more serious repercussions. if he doesnt learn after this well then i dont think he'll ever change and these accusations will continue to haunt him.

I don't if he is guilty or not but why is it I know for sure 100% that he sleeps in bed with boys like Brett Barnes, Wade Robeson, Corey Feldman ect.. but I'm not 100% sure he has ever slept with an adult female or adult male in his bed. Something seems wrong that we know of possibly five or more boys he's sleeping with but in his lifetime we've only heard of possibly two women-Lisa Marie and Debbie Rowe.

AshK said:

I don't think it's that obvious - I'd say it's unproved either way, but it's definitely a possibility that he is, you've got to admit that.

The evidence really is mounting - see the latest above about him getting kids drunk for example.

1p1p1i3 said:

That's not evidence.

It remains rumour and speculation for now.

And probably full blown lies.

We'll see.

Cloudbuster said:

If it's used in court, it's evidence (true or not).

So if it's used here in Prince.org court, it's also evidence!

automatic said:

Uh..hate to break this to you, but I don't think he slept with either Lisa or Debbie. Well, maybe Lisa (she did say it was the worst sexual experience of her life in several interviews).

1p1p1i3 said:

I don't belive that whole story about the 'jesus juice' at all, i think if mj were a peadophile then he'd have more than two accusations in ten years. i said before why i think this case has nothing to do with sexual abuse. Anyway this tabloid story isn't evidence, the whole gag order was put in order exactly to stop this nonsense.

AshK said:

There have been plenty more than 2. Maybe just two that have got this far.

AshK said:

Ah, the "if he WERE a pedophile, he'd be fucking them like a crazed maniac!" excuse. Read your criminal history and find out how many serial killers, rapists, and molesters only perpetrate one or two crimes a decade. Not uncommon at all.

VoicesCarry said:

Actually when she was asked whether or not he was good in bed, she replied "Well, I married the MF". I believe it was the Howard Stern interview. From memory that is the only time she she has spoken about her sex life with him other then to say that they did indeed have sex.

first off there is no hard evidence to suggest there are any other cases, one civil case and one criminal case is all thats came out

secondly, the reading ive done on peadophiles does actualy say its relatively rare (although not impossible) that a person will only abuse a couple of children in a generous time span, if you consider how long mjs been hanging out with kids, how many boys hes befriended etc then well it does seem rather far fetched that every ten years the molester in him pops out for a few months only to hibernate again for the next ten years. this is if we are talking strictly about peadophiles, not just ppl who abuse children as they are actually classed differently. killers, rapists on the other hand the pattern isnt so rigid, serial, multiple or just one off offenders are just as likely. But with all these things its impossible to to get accurate trends due to the victims not being willing to come forward and false claims, not being reported to the police, not being recorded by the police etc etc

anyway, i feel so confident mj didnt abuse Gavin and that mj isnt a peadophile, and of course i dont have any evidence to support this but there are so many factors that influence my opinion the very least being i am a fan. it is innocent untill proven guilty so we'll just have to wait and see.

VoicesCarry said:

I don't think he's slept with them either but those are the two that are put out there as his "wives".

VoicesCarry said:

not according to pages 552-3 of 'The Magic and the Madness'.

Marrk said:

I've read that book. What part is that? (Who is mentioned?)

CinisterCee said:

It's in the new edition that came out just over a year ago.Apparently Lisa Marie found MJ to be a bit wild and kinky in bed. No shit, i know it sounds incredible, but apparently it's true.

Lisa has changed her tune lately, to my ears she sounds full of shit. she has in the past accompanied Michael on trips overseas, even years after they divorced.

Marrk said:

I think she changed her tune especially when she had to promote her own album and people would ask about MJ, which you can't blame her in the post-Invincible era.

What's the difference between Michael Jackson and a shopping bag?

One's plastic and dangerous for your kids to play with, and the other is for taking your shopping home in.

1p1p1i3 said:

so 90's.

ThreadBare said:

MJ is a split personality. The way he portrays himself in his music and videos and what he is in person are two different things. I belive he is a kid at his heart but I don't buy that asexual theory at all. He's a guy with normal desires and his art is the best way to show that side of him imo.

Is he guilty: no. The DA should have just retaired a long time ago... The case is so weak it ain't even funny.

Hope that answered to your question.

I don't know how people can be so sure one way or the other when they weren't there. You can't convict or exonerate him based on his behavior. I have to say his case doesn't look good-- worse than O.J.'s (I still didn't hear a good motive for that one)-- but if you let the media tell it he's guilty as sin. The one thing I do know is he's guilty of owning the rights to some Beatle's songs. If that's what this is about maybe it's him getting his just desserts. If Paul was his boy, why go behind his back and outbid him for his own music? I hope that's not how it went down, but damn that's sheisty (spelling?).

I'd also like to see some of these parents locked up so they can experience the same treatment allegedly inflicted upon their children when they pimped them out to Michael. Well, I don't want that, but in a purely hypothetical situation it would be appropriate. They should be imprisoned though and shouldn't be awarded any money. Let's just for them all.

Someone mentioned Madonna's take on MJ, what was it? I remembr MJ's take on Madge, he said she was an average dancer and a really mediocre singer but a ruthless business woman.

boston3 said:

Innocent until proven guilty.

I´m sure that he´s innocent!

rainman1985 said:

That's a fair assessment.

whodknee said:

If this was towarded to me I just want to say that I'm not claiming I know anything for sure, because I don't. But given the facts and using my common sense I just feel that this case is an obvious a set-up. The time of the alleged abuse seriously messed up, the mother of the accuser has been in menthal hospital before, the family has a criminal background, those kids have lied in court before... Draw your own conclusions.


did you know that it was in fact Paul himself who had adviced Michael to invest in song catalogues?