many people say how jimi hendrix set new standard of guitar playing.
that's not true.
in 1966(year later was first expiriance album)
there was a group named cream with eric clapton as a guitar player.
they invented hard rock.
when eric was with cream his guitar playing was totaly diffrent.
he started with wah wah,heavy bending,feedback.
jimi came latter.
after cream eric completly changed his guitar style and started playing far more conventional,
but his guitar playing in cream was diffrent story.

WHAT'S YO'POINT , bruh ??


How U gon' "Invent" somethin' ...
And a year later ...

GET yo'SHIT jacked / flipped / RE-Invented ?!?!?
((( FOREVER )))


and, PLEEEZ don't get me started on what it was YOU
think eric invented

BLUES WAS JACKED FROM eric & the rest of that crew.
( which was/is the VERY fondation of where eric got/gets ALL of his shit)


And, besides...
Jeff Beck was REALLY doin'thangs NOT eric clapton !
( if U wanna talk about who was groundbreaking )

Jimi tore his ass up, as well...

no disrespect Banishedone , but U need to hit the (music) Library.

thebanishedone said:

I dont care who came first, Jimi was amazing, and groundbreaking.. Eric is a great guitarist, but as a leader, Jimi led.


sorry, its the truth.

thebanishedone said:

Lemme guess...you don't know anything about guitar playing or guitarists prior to 1966?

Ya Heard ??


Well, it's BROAD statements like that
( ERIC STARTED this/that )

that can get ya clowned...

Arnold palmer & Jack nicholas were great too
UNTIL ...


If he'd said : "Charlie Christian" etc.etc

It would have prolly been Just !

must be a youngin'
OR
got caught up in the "Hype" machine like most...

for some reason you try to act stupid or something.
jeff back group started at 1969 or 1970.
jimi hendrix expiriance stared in 1967.
cream's first album is from 1966.
eric was the first guitar player on the record
who experimented with wah wah,heavy bending of the strings,
feedback,early distortion.
he did it before back and hendrix.
i love jimi but eric was the first.
that was all i wanted to say,
so don't interpretate my lines in some other things i didnt say.

U funny as HELL
wit yo' little "Timeline"

BO DIDDLEY KICKED OFF THE DISTORTED Scene

it's past ya bedtime(line)



youngin'

thebanishedone said:

You should re-read the post above yours.Nobody is trying to act stupid, but you ARE making broad generalizations about Clapton and guitarists in general.Clapton will be the first to tell you that he was influenced by Hendrix.

thebanishedone said:

Don't trumpet your ignorance so loudly.

And it's Jeff BECK, NOT "BACK"!

My main man ...
MrT.



I think dude's name : The "Banished" one ?
is about to reign TRUE

MrTation said:

he "cried when jimi died because he left me behind"

thebanishedone said:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again and again and again. And I'll always get slammed for it (here, anyways).

Listen, I love listening to Jimi's albums. They're hard, they're raw, they're pure, they're cool, I have a few myself, including an album of some of my all-time favourite blues stuff, which I thought definitely outperformed the awesome blues of the legends like King, Waters, and Rogers. And, Hendrix was a great talent, had he lived longer, I couldn't imagine what else he would have contributed.

But he is so so so so very much overrated. And to say Clapton was the first guitar revolutionary is equally dumb. One must go back years and years and years to hear the roots of the electric guitar. Start with the Searing New Orleans Cajun Blues, which seemed to naturally progress into the catchy riff-laden rock-a-billy stylings of the likes of Chuck Berry, and many 50s Bop-Rock stars, which naturally evolved into the slightly more complex sounds in the early 60s, by the likes of Dick Dale and other surf-rock guitarists. The Beatles played around with distorted guitar too, like on Revolver (also 1966), as did the Stones, and Cream, and so many others. Hendrix too played his part in the evolution of the electric guitar, a huge part, maybe the largest of all the ones I mentioned. But he was not the first, he was not the best, and he is not the be-all and end-all of guitars, or even the electric guitar.

This deviates a little from the topic at hand, but it seems to be turning into yet another "hendrix is the best" post.

"savoirfaire"

I feel U , bro

but, there's NO BEST of ANYTHING
Blessed maybe ?


It's calling PRINCE a genius
when there's so MANY before him...NOT LAZY ?
YES.
( even Prince himself use to say that people who called him a genius was under 30yrs. of age )


But Jimi did his thang
but, for my money
one of THE most amazing guitarists EVER
was "WES MONTGOMERY"


(( Gott Damn ))

NO PICK ?
ALL THUMB ??

And, he started late in life on guitar ?


*whew*
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FalseSetto said:

Yes, Wes. A fine example. Or how 'bout Joe Pass. Maybe not the most exciting stuff, but technically unreal. Larry Coryell, Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, all greats. Lets go back even further, to the days of Django Reinhardt

And, hell, I barely even know the jazz scene, although I'm learning. I know there are a ton of greats that I haven't even heard yet.

OKAY ???


but, I can appreciate the fact that U're NOT makin' dem "BROAD STATEMENTS"

I could give less than a shit who released their earliest recording first. I like 'em both.

I just wish Clapton would revisit some of his fuzz rock roots. THAT'D be amazing.
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Chet Atkins! All y'all go get your lesson...

thebanishedone said:

Yeah, Jimi had no effect on anyone. Who is this Jimi dude, anyway? If you wanna go back, go back to Muddy Waters...and

I know less about this issue than virtually everyone who's posted thus far. Methinks the latest Prince/Jimi debate has ignited all this.

On that thread, I said, as did many others, that Jimi was a guitar revolutionary. But no one ever claimed he was the FIRST, to my knowledge. Even the title of this thread is true, it still doesn't discount anything ever said about Jimi. People consider Coleman Hawkins and Lester Young revolutionaries, but Charlie Parker made a wider and deeper impact than either of them. Which is why Bird enjoys a more elevated status than they do in the history of jazz (as I understand that history).

Same goes for Eric and Jimi. Even if Eric was the 1st, Jimi is the most influential. Chronology has little to do with measuring or comparing greatness.

namepeace said:Chronology has little to do with measuring or comparing greatness.



" PLOWWW "


end of discussion...



(for someone who cliams to know little on the subject)
U SHUT IT DOWN !!!

First there was Robert Johnson...back in the 20s...

Clapton for the most part boring conservative fluff for guitar geeks to jerk off to as they revel in it's so called complexity. Has he actually made a consistently great album?!!? Gimme some Jimmy Page instead.

PusherMan said:

Exactly!

Neversin.

FalseSetto said:

Chuck Berry & Eddie Cochran for the rock & roll & what about Django Reinhart?, Clapton
there was a group named cream with eric clapton as a guitar player.they invented hard rock
"hard rock" was basically invented by The Kinks ( You Really Got Me..)
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"sinisterpentatonic" ( 4M )

U are Droppin'BOMBS !!!

Will ya take "DOOD" with ya to the (MUSIC) library next time ya go ??


( great job )

he he he.

FalseSetto said:

Thanks.

I wish I did know more about Clapton and some of the others, tho.

thebanishedone said:

Muddy Waters invented what both of these musicians were doing. Effects (Wah) came after but Clapton never really did anything with effects, Hendrix worked with inventors to create some.

The quote says it all about the3 Hendrix/Clapton comparison. Both had mad respect for each other and influenced each other.

Check your head