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Reply #30 posted 01/15/04 8:16am

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Abrazo said:

The opinion of the author of this thread is 'Hendrix's brilliance as a guitarist overshadows Prince's talent. No question'

Keywords are: "brilliance as a guitarist" (hendrix), "overshadows" and "talent" (prince).

Trying to be as objective as I can, there is very little doubt that Jimi was (one of) the most "brilliant guitarist" this world has ever seen. There is also no doubt that Prince has "talent", a lot of it.

But comparing Jimi's brilliance as a guitarist with Prince's overall "talent" is futile, because comparing brilliance on a guitar with overall talent is like comparing apples to oranges.

What's left to be said is that some of what Prince can do, Jimi couldn't (highly prolific songwriting, masterly fusion of different genres, multi instrumentalist), while Prince can't play the guitar as brilliantly as Jimi could. However he has his own unique style and is capapable of plenty brilliance on the guitar himself.

There is no real debate to be held here.


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[This message was edited Thu Jan 15 5:56:06 PST 2004 by Abrazo]

No, that's not what my post was about.

My opinion was a comparison of their guitar skills -- nothing else.

It's also worth noting that Jimi had a physiological advantage: Super-long thumbs that made chording a breeze for him. Some of the voicings, in addition to his lefthanded playing styles gave rise to some hard-to-recreate moments.

My bottom line: If Prince can make his guitar talk, Jimi made that thing preach. guitar
[This message was edited Thu Jan 15 8:17:40 PST 2004 by ThreadBare]
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Reply #31 posted 01/15/04 8:29am

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TheRealFiness said:

No matter what instrument u play pr how long you are still a student of that instrument... Jimi was alwaysdoing something new to that fender,as was prince withthe Hohner and his other axes. there's no who's better or who's the 6 string God...


Granted I love Jimi with every fiber ofmy being as a Musician,as i do Prince. but there should be no competition between the two.and Jimi's no longer with us,in flesh anyway. the only person who has come the closest to actually bringing Jimi's spirit back to this world through his fingers was the Late Stevie Ray Vaughan. Funny how Stevie wasnt Mentioned. smile
Absolutely Finess. I saw Buddy Guy at Legends in Chicago Saturday night and his playing was awesome but I swear that man was invoking the spirit of SRV.
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Reply #32 posted 01/15/04 8:45am

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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

TheRealFiness said:

No matter what instrument u play pr how long you are still a student of that instrument... Jimi was alwaysdoing something new to that fender,as was prince withthe Hohner and his other axes. there's no who's better or who's the 6 string God...


Granted I love Jimi with every fiber ofmy being as a Musician,as i do Prince. but there should be no competition between the two.and Jimi's no longer with us,in flesh anyway. the only person who has come the closest to actually bringing Jimi's spirit back to this world through his fingers was the Late Stevie Ray Vaughan. Funny how Stevie wasnt Mentioned. smile
Absolutely Finess. I saw Buddy Guy at Legends in Chicago Saturday night and his playing was awesome but I swear that man was invoking the spirit of SRV.


Don't get me wrong. I love SRV. Bought a guitar and set it up so that it was similar to his axe and everything. So, I definitely have been a big fan of his for years.

But as fiercely as he played (he was a stream of beautiful notes and intensity), my post was about Jimi's comprehension and advancement of the guitar.
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Reply #33 posted 01/15/04 9:41am

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Forget it, ThreadBare. On Prince.org, Prince is god. These folks will try to spin it in Prince's direction no matter how true or false it is. Again, they started with the "range" as if JIMI FUCKING HENDRIX couldn't have played EVERY style. Jimi was around in the 60s. These dense asses don't remember that Jimi PLAYED blues, you can hear funk on his releases and no question - he changed rock FOREVER. Prince DIDN'T. Jimi wasn't versatile? HA! Prince has brought very little to guitar playing as a whole. Not even to playing FUNK, because pretty much everything Prince does rhythmically has been done on guitar. This is Prince.org...no room for truth on here; unless it pertains to Prince.
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Reply #34 posted 01/15/04 10:00am

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BlaqueKnight said:

Forget it, ThreadBare. On Prince.org, Prince is god. These folks will try to spin it in Prince's direction no matter how true or false it is. Again, they started with the "range" as if JIMI FUCKING HENDRIX couldn't have played EVERY style. Jimi was around in the 60s. These dense asses don't remember that Jimi PLAYED blues, you can hear funk on his releases and no question - he changed rock FOREVER. Prince DIDN'T. Jimi wasn't versatile? HA! Prince has brought very little to guitar playing as a whole. Not even to playing FUNK, because pretty much everything Prince does rhythmically has been done on guitar. This is Prince.org...no room for truth on here; unless it pertains to Prince.



Yeah, and I tried to phrase it with compliments to P and everything, but ... sigh
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Reply #35 posted 01/15/04 11:26am

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ThreadBare said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Forget it, ThreadBare. On Prince.org, Prince is god. These folks will try to spin it in Prince's direction no matter how true or false it is. Again, they started with the "range" as if JIMI FUCKING HENDRIX couldn't have played EVERY style. Jimi was around in the 60s. These dense asses don't remember that Jimi PLAYED blues, you can hear funk on his releases and no question - he changed rock FOREVER. Prince DIDN'T. Jimi wasn't versatile? HA! Prince has brought very little to guitar playing as a whole. Not even to playing FUNK, because pretty much everything Prince does rhythmically has been done on guitar. This is Prince.org...no room for truth on here; unless it pertains to Prince.



Yeah, and I tried to phrase it with compliments to P and everything, but ... sigh

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Reply #36 posted 01/15/04 12:49pm

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I truly disagree. I think he is "good". I think Stanley Jordan is "remarkable". Prince has carved his own style successfully and effectively, but I listen to WAY too many guitar players to downgrade them to Prince. Most guitarists either play within the style they are PAID to or are popular for doing. Many people on this site like to yammer on about Prince's versatility, etc. and make claims that other guitarists CAN'T do what he does. That's bullshit. When was the last time somebody asked Charlie Singleton to play a metal solo? Who asked Jeff Buckley (R.I.P.) to play jazz? Anyone asked Kirk Hammett to play funk? No. It doesn't mean they CAN'T; they DON'T. Whose to say who's as versatile as who? Prince's whole game is mixing styles, so he HAS to at least attempt to be versatile. He's had some great MOMENTS, but I can't honestly put him "in the top 10" like so many orgers bitch about when they don't see his name there. He's just not good enough to be there in my opinion.


It's hard to argue that among well-known guitarists of any genre, Prince could be thought of as top-5, but to put it in a coldly objective perspective, I'd think he'd have a shot top 100 or 150.

And yes, the fact that other artists don't play a wide array of styles don't mean that they can't. I remember one time a former partner of mine played a CD of a live blues guitar solo. And after several wrong guesses, he told me it was Dan Fogelberg. I never knew the guy that made "Leader of the Band" could play like that. That's one example.

In any event, no one really asks Prince to be versatile. Remember, WB wanted the guy to be the next Stevie, not necessarily the next Jimi. Most of his records haven't sold well, and his rock and blues stuff is either undermarketed or doesn't sell really well.
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Reply #37 posted 01/15/04 12:54pm

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I'm glad BlaqueKnight mentioned Kirk Hammett in this thread. He's one of my favorite players. thumbs up!
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Reply #38 posted 01/16/04 6:24am

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Abrazo said:

The opinion of the author of this thread is 'Hendrix's brilliance as a guitarist overshadows Prince's talent. No question'

Keywords are: "brilliance as a guitarist" (hendrix), "overshadows" and "talent" (prince).

Trying to be as objective as I can, there is very little doubt that Jimi was (one of) the most "brilliant guitarist" this world has ever seen. There is also no doubt that Prince has "talent", a lot of it.

But comparing Jimi's brilliance as a guitarist with Prince's overall "talent" is futile, because comparing brilliance on a guitar with overall talent is like comparing apples to oranges.

What's left to be said is that some of what Prince can do, Jimi couldn't (highly prolific songwriting, masterly fusion of different genres, multi instrumentalist), while Prince can't play the guitar as brilliantly as Jimi could. However he has his own unique style and is capapable of plenty brilliance on the guitar himself.

There is no real debate to be held here.


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[This message was edited Thu Jan 15 5:56:06 PST 2004 by Abrazo]

No, that's not what my post was about.

My opinion was a comparison of their guitar skills -- nothing else.

It's also worth noting that Jimi had a physiological advantage: Super-long thumbs that made chording a breeze for him. Some of the voicings, in addition to his lefthanded playing styles gave rise to some hard-to-recreate moments.

My bottom line: If Prince can make his guitar talk, Jimi made that thing preach. guitar
[This message was edited Thu Jan 15 8:17:40 PST 2004 by ThreadBare]

Ah okay, you meant Prince's talent on the guitar, not his overall talent. I can't argue with that.
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Reply #39 posted 01/16/04 6:59am

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Small wonder, since Buddy is SRV's musical granddaddy! Hendrix learned a lot of his licks from listening to Buddy Guy. Then SRV learned lots of stuff from both Hendrix and Buddy Guy (among others).

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:


Absolutely Finess. I saw Buddy Guy at Legends in Chicago Saturday night and his playing was awesome but I swear that man was invoking the spirit of SRV.
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Reply #40 posted 01/16/04 3:51pm

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