BlaqueKnight said:

Hold your horses, Blaque. "Y'all"? Why the siege mentality? The majority of the orgers on this thread have a view similar to yours. As a matter of fact, I think that both you and rdhull made good points.

Bottom line is, no one can remain the apple of the music audience's eye forever. Most reasonable orgers know that Prince's time in the pop limelight is done. At 45, he is an old-ass man in the music bidness. He is now a legend, and while he can still make some good music, and an occasional resurgence, the music-buying public now wants him to let his progeny draw from his influence and play to their peers. Dre3K and Lenny are just two of many. So they are now doing what Prince did in relation to Sly, Jimi, etc.

The pleasant surprise is that Dre3K is picking up the vibe from a completely unexpected place: southern hip-hop. The leap from "Player's Ball" to "prototype" in ten years is stunning. The fact that OutKast has been able to grow and develop their music in the fashion that they have is a great achievement. In hip-hop, they and the Roots have picked up where ATCQ left off in the early 90's.

So fellas, brothers, come on. Can't we all just get along? You're both right.

BlaqueKnight said:

weak



so we are all in agreement then..Andre is a wannabe Prince

rdhull said:

No, fool. We DO agree that you are a serious Prince dickrider that would look for a Prince influence in an Elvis record.

BlaqueKnight said:

And don't talk to your teacher like that just becaue Andre is a wannabe

BlaqueKnight said:

game...set...match

Imagine Frank Zappa doing a Prince record. That is more the sound. But it is still classic album.

rdhull said:

[b]Influenced = written by to you?

when i first heard the love below,

i went from anger 2 sadness

2 joy

dre has rebirthed prince

the purple torch has sparked

the flame 4 andre 3000

2 help burn passion back

into today's music

and rekindle the spirit

of creativity and freedom

in our hearts


happy purple new year!!!

BlaqueKnight said:

Haha hahaahahahaahahaha oh that is so damn funny! love your style!

Sinister said:

My sentiments exactly!

I just got this cd for christmas and have listened to it 2-3 times. I like it, but it's going to have to grow on me a bit more before I can say whether I "love" it or not. It does have a certain Prince sound to it, but no one does it like Prince IMO. They all copy his greatness. Some do it well, like Andre, and others totally suck!

sumtymes said:

Stop right here. Do you realize how late you are?!!!

okaypimpn said:

kisscamille said:

The sad thing is you probably believe that statement. Its a big planet. There are some artists who actually want their own recognition for their work. Go figure.

let me vibrate-ya

You notice we never complain when Prince rips off James Brown or Parliament.

2freaky4church1 said:

okaypimpn said:

do u realize prince already

did this album over a decade ago?

i'd say dre 3000 is late

not me

sumtymes said:

Um...no.

2freaky4church1 said:

Most P fans who have been around a while simply know that P derived his sound from JB, Sly, Stevie, Jimi, Carlos, P-ment, Joni et al.

But we do get upset when somebody cops P's style, don't we?

Interesting. We're saying what my parents used to say about Prince . . . Jimi and Sly did that when we were your age, etc. . . .

as Ive stated--P does cop a lot from others but he at least adds his own flava to it...now he hasnt copped from folks for a hot minute ..it isnt like he hasnt had HIS own style ...he never has had to rely on copping from others...come on now yall...17 Days sounds nothing like anyone..When Doves Cry...I cold go on..of course he has copped ideas and melodies (1999 from Mama n The Papas for example) but when he does cop, look what he does with it...he stamps his own style with it...now thangs like The Work are straight up JB aint no putin a stamp on about it..but Im jus sayin
[This message was edited Thu Jan 8 9:19:28 PST 2004 by rdhull]

rdhull said:

You're right, of course. Derived does not equal copied. P's genius is the ability to incorporate many sounds and influences into his own unique sound, kinda like creating a unique chemical compound. It may smell familiar and look familiar, but it's altogether different.

What holds true for Prince must also hold true for other artists as well. "Hey Ya" doesn't sound like Prince; at least not to me, anyway. having the ability to incorporate many sounds and influences into one's own unique sound is NOT exclusive to Prince. Jazz fusion fans will testify to this wholeheartedly. Some of the people on here are fairly decent at giving other artists their props and are satisfied with the artist giving the old wink and nod to Prince for influencing them while others take Prince nutslobbering to phenomenal proportions; giving Prince credit for everything from ghostwriting the song to causing the sun to rise. Its really sad and pathetic. God forbid anyone EVER sing in falsetto...after all, Prince INVENTED falsetto, right? No one EVER did that before him.
Prince has to be held with the same regards as any other artist who writes his/her own material. Its THEIRS.
[This message was edited Thu Jan 8 10:23:39 PST 2004 by BlaqueKnight]

I said:

Then

BlaqueKnight said:

Whoa, there, Blaque.

I didn't say that the "incorporation" talent was unique to Prince, did I?

I called it Prince's genius, not Prince's SINGULAR genius. He doesn't hold the patent on "incorporation," but he sure belongs in the club.

And you don't have to be a jazz fusion fan to testify to that. You can look to Duke, Miles, Blakey, Monk, et al.
They all did it.

And more recently, cats like Beck and Dre3K are doing it.

Which brings us back full circle. The proliferation of geniuses in each generation is what makes music of any form so exciting.

And "Hey Ya" sounds more like Bowie than Prince. "Prototype" and "She Lives In My Lap" are very Prince-ish. And the whole album oozes with P-funk.

BlaqueKnight said:

No prob, I thought you might have misunderstood me, so I wanted to clarify.

It does seem that most of us have "Prince filters," but it is fun that Dre3K has taken us down a "memory lane" of sorts. while taking pop somewhere new!

BlaqueKnight said:

No shit. But the rest of the cd does.



no shit







somebody is upset

stop being a pussy and name names

namepeace said:

exactly my point

the love below re-visits classic prince

while dre also puts his own

stank in it

2 funky