okay

so i finally bought

the love below

honestly, my first reaction

was anger

i heard prince throughout

the entire album

especially in: 'she lives in my lap'

i wanted to scream at andre 3000

4 completely ripping prince off

but my anger turned to sadness

when 'vibrate' oozed into

my soul

it made me miss prince

and all his ground breaking badness

i know he's moved on to another

level and other frontiers of music

however, 'the love below', took me

back into a purple funk

my sadness turned into joy

as i relistened 2 'the love below'

my heart said, 'thank u andre 4 keeping

the magic of prince alive and passing

the spirit of musical adventure on to

another generation'

sumtymes said:

sumtymes said:

It's nice to see that some people finally get it!

I like the CD for it's daring...but, "Vibrate" is weak.

Revolution said:

Agreed. It's one of the tracks I have to skip.

Which track is Vibrate??

CalhounSq said:

It's either the last one or second to last one...I don't have the CD with me, it's in the ride.

Supernova said:

what's wrong with yall? Oh well every1 cant like everything.

paisleypark4 said:

Don't even try it, Mr. "Innervisions is aiiight."

The Love Below is derivative of a lot of past influences, including but not limited to Prince. I hear more Sly Stone and Parliament than Prince, honestly. But I like the album. "Vibrate is OK, but my cut is "Pretty Pink, Baby Blue." Speakerbox has a prince vibe to it, especialy on "Bowtie."

Supernova said:

no no no, Innervisions is cool, but man, the songs themselves 2 me are not as great as the ones on Hotter Than July and some of Characters cuts.

BlaqueKnight said:

Oh bullshit. Andre wants to be Prince so frickin bad that his piss is purple



More bullshit..hey when you make an album with half Shockedelica-Camille sounding tunes no shit folks are going to say its Prince influenced.



Andre gets his props

paisleypark4 said:

All I can say is

And then I think

And then it hits me

And finally

rdhull said:

If you could pull your head out of Prince's ass for a sec., you could hear OTHER influences. Maybe if some of you would expand your musical repertoire beyond Prince & Co., you'd know that there are MANY Parliament, Clinton, Sly, Ohio Players & etc. influences going on in this record. Still, to me its "funk lite". Nothing really hits the mark for me and Andre's record is HIS, not Prince's. Why the hell would Andre, a RAPPER, want to be Prince when it is Andre who is relevant and influencing RIGHT NOW? Prince's day in the pop spotlight has LONG passed.
"Andre wants to be Prince so frickin bad that..."
BULLSHIT. Artists want to known for THEIR OWN WORK. If he wanted to be Prince, he'd be in a tribute band. Andre wants to be the token black "crossover" artist, a spot FORMERLY held by Prince in the 80s and early 90s. That spot has been long since taken over by Lenny and Andre is approaching that status...QUICKLY.

Andre3000 is NOT copying Prince. You guys are just such Princeheads that you can't hear any other influence other than Prince. This is NOT a Prince record. Get over yourselves...AND your idol. Give Andre his props if you like his CD. Prince didn't write ONE SINGLE NOTE OR WORD ON THIS RECORD.
I'm one of the few who is not particularly fond of this CD. It IS unique, but I ain't really feelin' more than a couple of tracks or so. You want Prince music, ask Prince for it. PLEASE stop trying to credit Prince with everything anyone else does that's different or out of the ordinary.
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You know something, I really truly think you've summed this whole stupid dumbass topic up beautifully! Dre is Dre and Prince is Prince simple as. We all influence each other thats life. End of! So Stanks for putting it so beautifully and simply for those who just DONT GET IT!
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BlaqueKnight said:

Well, Blaque, but for Dre3K admitting the Prince influences on the creative processes for this LP, I'd agree with you.
But surely you would not say that Prince was NOT an influence on this LP.

There are other obvious influences on this LP too. I hear Beatles and Bowie in "Hey Ya." The ghost of George Clinton permeates both LPs, in my opinion. Heck, you could even give Coltrane some "influence" credit for "TLB" (one of his most famous covers, "My Favorite Things," is again covered on this LP). Combine that with OutKast's own brand of "southernplayalistik" funk and the 100+BPM-style of Dirty South/Miami hip-hop, and you have a most interesting hip-hop LP. A tad overhyped, but interesting nonetheless.

Credit goes to OutKast, Common, The Roots, and others for stretching the parameters of the genre.
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rdhull said:

Actually, rdhull, Prince's Shocka/Camille sound is very reminiscent of Stevie's background vocals in "Maybe Your Baby" off "Talking Book." Prince has also directly lifted some Jimi techniques (the end of the "long stroke" of "Hello" and "Tick Tick Bang" are just 2 examples).
So just as we hear traces of Prince in Dre3K, we hear traces of other legends in P's music. But that does not detract from the merits of either artist.

As much as I believe that Prince is a big influence on "TLB," I also believe that Dre3K deserves a lot of credit for having a creative vision to put "TLB" together. It is indeed an original work. Even if it is overhyped (I said it again . . .)

You guys are all so right! Who the hell do you think influenced Prince? We all influence each other, it's what these Kats are in this for, to touch us reach us and inspire us creatively with their music. I guess some people dont get it or feel it the way some of us do! Prince inspires me in the way I write, dance, sing infact too many damn ways, it's all good!

BlaqueKnight said:

One, you're a dumbassed mutherfucker who has has his head in his ass because you cant comprehend shit...just because I say Andre is influenced heavily by Prince u then trip and "think" I dont see other Parliament stage, as well as Ohio Players etc influence...why does Andre wanna be Prince?

"a DIRECT QUOTE FROM ANDRE on MTV during a video show he hosted recently, where he played the "kiss" video, and said "let me tell you the reason why I chose this video," said Andre. "Because Prince, growing up...he was my hero"...

so dont give me your shit about Andre being a rapper who wouldnt fathom imitating Prince etc...Andre barely even raps on LB so what now big talker? Just because u spoke on his other influneces, you still aint said shit.

and yes I realize Prince was already influenced by Clinton and Sly with Camille..."Iif You Want Me To Stay", Sir Nose etc...muthafuckas PLEASE ..just because I dont qualify my statements with a dmaned laundry list doesn't mean that those influences and knowledge is not duly noted.

and as I stated before some damn yea-hoos started shit, Andre IS Prince influenced point fucking blank..he aint want to be no damn George fucking Clinton or Ohio Players so stop trippin ...the clothes (yes it could be Funadelick-Parl stage attire but it aint--it's Prince influenced)

if this is my "head in my ass" then you should be in my ass more often..now hush.

btw all this Ohio Players Parliament etc. name dropping still aint said shit...that shits so obvious and easy ..dont take someone NOT bringing up that easy shit as not knowing...muthafuckas please

besides yeah, Prince was inFluenced by all that and he made it HIS OWN SOUND...thanks for playing. And Andre is influenced "some" by the previously mentioned but wholeheartedly like PRINCE not his own combo influence sound...thanks for playing

to those that "thought" they were "trying" to school someone


please

buncha name droppers acting like you know something just cause u can talk about the easy shit like Parliament, Ohio P etc
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Outkast has had PFunk influenced music since early in their career. Although that hasn't changed even currently, the quite blatant Prince influence on TLB is there. Moreso than on any other Outkast album. If it were not many of the critic's wouldn't bring it up in their reviews for the album. So, no, it's definitely NOT only Prince fans that hear this. Although there are times on this site when a few folks stretch way too hard to find a Prince influenced on a currently popular album, this is not one of them. People who have never even been to this site, people who don't keep up with Prince nowadays, have commented to me, "That sounds like Prince" when they hear SOME of the songs on this album.

RD is on point.

I think part of the first post in this thread may have come across as irrational "i wanted to scream at andre 3000 4 completely ripping prince off..." ...but if you take that attitude James Brown fans can say the exact same thing about some of Prince's music. Jimi Hendrix fans could say the same thing about the way Prince used to dress.

Now whether or not Andre wants to be Prince or not, y'all will have to argue that amongst yourselves. I ain't in it.

what does it matter who influenced who? That has been happening in music since music first began...To say Prince has been influenced or Andre has is a pointless discussion EVERYONE is influenced by someone in music and rappers especially take others music to make their own thats how it's always been...

Sinister said:

And you just contributed to it. Welcome to the world of cyberspace music discussion boards. Beats the friggin hell out of "Whose hair is better, Prince or MJ?" threads.

rdhull said:

To the extent that you may have put me on blast for my prior post (and I may be reading too much into it), I know you know what the deal is. It's just that you mentioned the "Camille" voice in your earlier post, and since we were talking about influences, I thought listing Prince's influences would bring the discussion full circle.



I disagree, slightly. His LP is as influenced by George Clinton as Prince, it's just that the GC-Parl-F/delic influences aren't as pronounced as the P influences.



name dropping doesn't work in this forum, the orgers are way 2 educated 2 even try that. we were talking about the influences on TLB. are you telling me that Prince is the ONLY influence you hear on that record?



The reason Prince was so influential on my musical tastes is that not only did I dig his music, I wanted to check out the artists that had an impact on him, and I'm glad I did. Hopefully, younger cats who are blown away by Dre3K will take the time to go back and research his influences as well. Just as Prince made me a Sly, Jimi, Stevie, Joni fan, hopefully Dre3K will make younger kids Prince fans.




hull . . . DAMN! Calm down. Ain't nobody tryin' to school you. You know enough already. We're debatin' the issues here. Blaque may have gotten on you, but I wouldn't and no one else here is.

Be easy.
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Man, I can go back and forth on this . . .

BlaqueKnight said:

I agree with the last sentence. But I do think that Dre3K does desire to be the musical gadfly and flout the current stereotypes surrounding black performers, much like Prince did in the 80's, Sly and Jimi did in the 60's and 70's, Little Richard did in the 50's, and so on. So in essence, he wants to take up the P mantle, like you said later. But P had taken up that mantle from others, too.

Oh yeah, how much rhyming does Dre3K do on this LP? Not much.



He wants to be like Prince and have the same type of influence and stature Prince had backinaday. Nothing wrong with that. Shoot, people used to say Prince wanted to be Jimi back in the 80's, and we recoiled from that notion, too. Er'body does it. Dre3K will be known for his own work, but he grew up idolizing Prince. No shame in wanting to emulate a musical idol.



The ultimate black crossover artist in the 80's and early 90's was Michael Jackson. But I get your point.

ain't we done had this conversation a few MILLION times by now? Right up there with the "OJ did/didnt do it" debate, and the "oh lord you KNOW Michael is one fucked up boy toucher/have you seen my lip gloss?" debate.

vibrate higher

take off your cool

i wanna see u

again, thanks dre

4 the love below


p.s.- rdhull: you're killin' me

your post rocks