First Off Lets Take Michael at his word that he has NEVER done anything sexually to any underage Boy... & personally in this 2003 case I dont think he did it. BUT what he has put out there In Interviews for over 10 years now & his Behavior in the last 20+ years is ODD & INSANE!

Here is the #1 Problem with Michael Jackson..

He has been trying to create this "GRAY ZONE" in between NAMBLA/Pedophile & Normal Adults Relationships - Adult Gay Relationships!!

WHY would ANYONE want to do this??? WHY would Michael Jackson want to have the public Accept,Enjoy,Agree & any other word anyone can think of that is positive for this SICK behavior which is basically "foreplay" on underage boys??? WHY would anyone want to promote this as their "Life's Cause"?? Michael Jackson has been really trying create this "Gray Zone" since 1984!

(((ok it is not sex.. I am NOT interested in that, but I do like to talk to on little boys on the phone for hours & hours & hours, I love to have little boys sleep over & sleep in my own personal bedroom..in my own bed & I sleep next to them))) ** I mean this is what MJ is promoting!!!.. and he and his fans get pissed when 95% of the rest of The World thinks this is disgusting!!! wow?

It is foreplay!! pure & simple!! It is buttering up a little boy to ODD Behavior! ONLY 3 types of people do this! A Pedophile, NAMBLA Member & Michael Jackson! The only different in the other 2 groups don't have glassy eyed/brain dead/cult member fans.. explaining away ALL this Sick Disgusting Behavior.

Michael Jackson's Interviews on the subject & personal behavior is HELPING Sick Men that love to have sex with boys !!! " Hey I'm only into what Michael Jackson is into..trust me.. thats all we will do!" *** HOW many other different quotes can we all make up that a NAMBLA pervert must say to little underage boys to get them to try this "Jacko Foreplay"???

** I just think like MOST of the sane humans in this World,that for a KNOWN Man ..one of the BIGGEST stars ever! For him to promote a "Lifestyle" that isn't 100% NAMBLA or Pedophile.. but isn't 100% Normal Gay Man Relationship either.. is SICK!!

Michael Jackson's is trying create a "Gray Zone".. He wants the rest of The World's Parents & Adults to lower their guard and allow everyday Adult Men to NOT have sex with their underage young sons, but to create this creepy foreplay which isn't 100% against the law either???

WHY would anyone make this their LIFE'S BLOOD?? Their #1 Cause in Life??? To basically make normal Adults & Parents look the other way so guys like Michael Jackson & ANY Other Man that wants to practice this "New Lifestyle" he created?? It isn't Pedophile or a Normal Gay Relationship.. It is something "in between".

What a Disgusting RISK Michael Jackson wants The REST of World to start to accept!!!

while i agree his actions are odd, i have to say i think you're stretching things a lot.

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

You read that?

Supernova said:

its late...i'm bored

locoarts... while that was somewhat of a ranting post, you are a voice of sanity. people love the entertainer so much that they're making up lame, flimsy excuses to get him out of this charge. look at his behaviour. it's bloody obvious he's a paedophile. he fits everything in the CIA standard profile of a paedophile. it even says something along the lines of "sometimes their houses can resemble theme parks, with attractions, rides and statues of children".

y'all know i love to get my MJ music on. but the guy is guilty as hell. he needs serious mental help the second anyone can drag him out of his fantasy world.

locoarts said:

Have you seen my childhood?
I’m searching for the world that I come from
’cause I’ve been looking around
In the lost and found of my heart...
No one understands me
They view it as such strange eccentricities...
’cause I keep kidding around
Like a child, but pardon me...

People say I’m not okay
’cause I love such elementary things...
It’s been my fate to compensate,
For the childhood
I’ve never known...

Have you seen my childhood?
I’m searching for that wonder in my youth
Like pirates in adventurous dreams,
Of conquest and kings on the throne...

Before you judge me, try hard to love me,
Look within your heart then ask,
Have you seen my childhood?

People say I’m strange that way
’cause I love such elementary things,
It’s been my fate to compensate,
For the childhood I’ve never known...

Have you seen my childhood?
I’m searching for that wonder in my youth
Like fantastical stories to share
The dreams I would dare, watch me fly...

Before you judge me, try hard to love me.
The painful youth I’ve had

Have you seen my childhood...



Signed,
Brain-dead cultish fan.

I'm not a MJ fan at all !
But like to say though that I don't think he's a paedophile.
He just a never got over the age of 8 and all though he's a grown man, there's a litle boy inside.
Sure he needs a psychiatrist to treat him (chizzo) but I doubt if there's one that can cure him.

In the meanwhile people can make a nice proffit from MJ !

Shame on the parent who leave their children in the hands of a paedophile (true or not) !

They should be in jail !!

LocoArts is right.Whether or not MJ is technically "guilty" of molesting a child,it is still wrong and wildly innapropriate for him to be having these sleepovers and having these boys in his bed.And don't give me that line about "well,MJ sleeps on the floor".There is still something wrong with this!.Michael is a little TOO obsessed with young kids and it's just not healthy.And I get so sick of his friends saying absurd things like "Michael is a kid trapped in a man's body".That is beyond ridiculous.Why don't they suggest he go into therapy instead of just accepting this weird theory,as if it's perfectly normal?

A few questions...what's gonna happen if MJ somehow survives these latest charges? What if he's acquitted? Is he gonna continue with this behavior? Will another boy make similar charges in ten years? Does he really wanna take himself and his fans/supporters through all this again? If I were a family member (Jermaine perhaps),I would move into Neverland myself,cancel all the sleepovers,stop the madness,and KICK Michael's ass if he objected...lol...

Blueview said:

see,this is the problem right here.People use this as an excuse for Michael.Nobody sees anything wrong with this.

DavidEye said:

Atleast 48.000.000 people are responsible for making the product MJ!
B.t.w. I did not say that to justify his behaviour.
I think it's wrong too.

He david, when you orgnote me something again ?
[This message was edited Wed Dec 10 4:33:51 PST 2003 by Blueview]

DavidEye said:

I just got home and to my surprise the MJ home videos special was on tv which hadnt been screened in my country before and after seeing the way he acts on his own turf, i am more convinced that he's innocent and have to actually agree that he's generally hasnt grown up, i wouldnt say 8 but more like a dopey 10 or 11 year old. I'm not an expert, but I really don't think his behaviour is at all paedophilic like. I think paedophiles would like to "play" with kids, but not play with super soakers, waterbombs and have cream pie fights the way he does with kids, damn it looked like some good times i'd love a day trip to neverland, maybe someday when i get a terminal disease...

PEACE!

Would you have the same opinion if it were a 45yo woman doing the same thing - I think not somehow!!

I agree overall, whether he is a paedophile or not a multi-million payoff to little Jordy Chandler should have been enough to correct his desire for "sleeping" with little boys. He should be avoiding them like the plague, if you have to play with children then why not little girls... or why not your own.

nd33 said:

I'm sure all pedophiles stay within the lines and fit everyone's basic stereotypes of what they do/think/act like. I know all you people keep saying that it's a scam, perpetrated by the kids (that's how a lot pedophiles are initially acquitted in real life, btw...by blaming it on the kid), but what other prominent media figure is being targeted left and right by scam artists, huh? Just a coincidence, or is there more to the story? Michael's just f*** up but not as f*** up as the parents who let their 12-year-olds play hide the sausage with Mikey in bed for a little under-the-table cash (I'm sure this is the setup he uses).

I'm still not convinced that he has a sexual interest in children. Only two victims in 45 years? No, doesn't add up.

Cloudbuster said:

Well, the ones we know about...

VoicesCarry said:

Of which both seem extremely dubious.

VoicesCarry said:

Jeez, benefit of the doubt? anyone?

most of you are coming across like a pack of salivating dogs.

Wait til the court-case and see what happens.

Cloudbuster said:

The first kid's claims weren't dubious to Michael...he paid the family $20 million to shut up.

VoicesCarry said:

You've just heard the basics then.there's a bit more to it than that.

And the full lawsuit file:

http://www.thesmokinggun....ivil1.html

There is a really interesting interview by Louie Theroux who goes around trying to interview Michael Jackson and ends up interviewing Joe Jackson, Uri Geller and a guy named Terry George who claims he had phone sex with MJ in 83 when he was a child. The interesting thing about this interview is how much Joe Jackson and Katherine hate gays. It's really sad & pathetic.

Here's link:

http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/int/int38.html



The Terry George part is Parts 12 & 13. Terry George basically admits it happened but he is not even angry at him. It's very odd the people that are in the "Jacko loop".

Joe Jackson is parts 14, 15 & especially 16 were he talks about his & Katherine's hatred of gays.

Uri Gellar admits in parts 17 & 18 that MJ has had a lot of plastic surgeries because he doesn't want to look like his father and Gellar acts like he knows this personnally because they were friends. He also says that he wouldn't let MJ sleep with his kids because it's wrong behavior.

That is not the case - in the first allegations in '93 MJ was found innocent of any wrong doing by 2 grand juries, they found no substantial evidence, it was only when taken to civil court after that he had had enough by then and paid the money so he could get on with his life - this also lead to a gagging order being placed on him. the police photos didn't match any description given by the boy & that was also not reported - you cant see a scam again you must be blind!!

Where the hell did you get that from? There was no 2 grand jurys that found innocent. The kid filed a civil suit, MJ claimed extortion, months later the court saw both cases, the judge said there was enough evidence to go forword on the child's civil suit but no evidence was found for the extortion claim of MJ's. Less than a week later he settled out of court for 20+ million.

kremlinshadow said:

There were no grand juries. Are you on crack? The case never went to criminal court because the child was unable to testify.

VoicesCarry said:

I don't think that unable is an accurate word. He took the money from the civil case and then refused to cooperate.

illimack said:

That's more like it.

The Chandlers were plainly not interested in any form of justice, just cash. Mike took the easy way out, he was obviously wrong to do that, from what i've read since he didn't want to give them a dime at the outset, but was talked into it by his legal team who couldn't promise him that justice would be done.He probably wishes he had fought it out then.

If he felt he couldn't get a fair trial back then, i wonder how he thinks he's going to get one now.

Marrk said:

I don't know, but he doesn't really seem interested in a fair trial at the moment. What with spouting off at the mouth "it's lovely and wonderful and 100% acceptable to sleep with 11-year-olds just as long as you ask pretty-please-with-sugar-on-top". That won't prejudice the jury, for sure. All the prosecutor has to say is something along the lines of "if YOUR 12-year-old told you he was going to a sleepover at a 45-year-old man's house, wouldn't you feel uncomfortable?"

VoicesCarry said:

Well, that's the problem summed up, really. Michael clearly suffered some kind of arrested development as a teenager, probably as a result of having an adults work schedule as a child, and has since been trying to make up for his lost childhood. I know he should've gotten over it by now but my guess it that he simply doesn't want to. He enjoys being a manchild desperately trying to recapture his youth that was pretty much stolen from him. Why his other brothers didn't turn out as bad is beyond me. Michael may have been the public face of The Jackson Five but they were all worked too damn hard for a bunch of youngsters.