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Reply #60 posted 12/15/03 12:08pm

pimpdoutt

JediMaster said:

pimpdoutt said:

JediMaster said:

PANDURITO said:

Supernova said"
You equate Hill's rhetoric above with tearing up a picture of the Pope saying "Fight the real enemy"?


You justify America's reaction to Sinead's freedom of speech?
Or Michael Moore's ?
Or...

What's freedom then?


Well, all those folks listed have the right to express themselves. They were not jailed for stating their beliefs. The flipside is that everyone who disagreed with them had the right to express themselves as well, even if that meant saying that their actions were inappropriate.

If Sinead or Lauryn Hill state their problems with the Pope, that's fine. They absolutely have the right to do that, but they have to understand that all the Catholics who were offended by their statements have the right to express their outrage as well.

I don't completely disagree with Ms Hill's statements, but I do think she could have been more diplomatic about it. She was disrespectful to her hosts, and that's not cool (she has the right to disrespect them, but I don't think it was a nice thing to do). I guarantee that if she had been in a mosque, and had said some anti-islamic statements, people would be all up in arms over it. The same principle holds here. She doesn't have to agree with her hosts, but she shouldn't attack them in their "home" so to speak.

I think she should have saved these comments for a different venue, or expressed her dissaproval by boycotting the concert altogether. She has many valid points, and I think they would have made more of an impact had she shown some class about it. As it is, it just came across as rude.



MUCH RESPECT FOR THIS WOMAN FOR SAYING IT IN THEIR FACES. YOU CRY THAT SHE'S BEING DISRESPECTFUL WHILE THE CHURCH IS DISGRACING ITSELF AND DISRESPECTING ALL OF HUMAN KIND. COME ON GET A LIFE.

:PIMP:


I'm not crying at all, and now YOU are the one being rude. If the Church is, as you say, "DISRESPECTING ALL OF HUMAN KIND", then Lauryn has sunk to their level by being disrespectful back. Two wrongs will never make a right, no matter what. I agree that Lauryn's message needed to be heard, and I would have had no problem with her saying it to their faces at another time and venue. She was in their house, at their invitation, and that is not the time to show disrespect.


when has the church EVER been appropriate in sheltering child abusing pigs? lets call it what it is. the church disrespects society everyday. having a man sit on a throne of gold while children go hungry and raped by their leaders. get a grip on reality and step outside your bubble.

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Reply #61 posted 12/15/03 12:52pm

pimpdoutt

"I realize some of you may be offended by what I'm saying, but what do you say to the families who were betrayed by the people in whom they believed?"

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Reply #62 posted 12/15/03 10:41pm

Janfriend

stymie said:

namepeace said:

For those who would agree with what Lauryn did and how she did it:

1. She is right to be outraged with the scandals in the Catholic church. Catholics like myself are as well. If she believes in God and justice then speak your mind about it. Jesus did the same thing.

2. But to agree to perform a song at a Catholic event with Catholic clergy in attendance and then rebuke the Catholic Church and perform a different song is sinful in and of itself. First of all, she was dishonest. Second of all, many faithful Catholics showed up in fellowship to enjoy her performance, and she insulted them.

She could have picked a better time and place to speak her mind and heart.

3. Lauryn Hill, like so many others (including, sadly, many orgers) displayed a patent ignorance of what Catholics believe and practice.

4. If you agree with Lauryn Hill, that's fine. But if you really want to know what Catholics believe, ask a Catholic.

twocents
Very well said, namepeace. By the way, do you know if Lauryn is Catholic?


She's Methodist
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Reply #63 posted 12/15/03 10:42pm

Janfriend

sosgemini said:

and for the record, Sinead was/is Catholic...


She's not a Roman Catholic though. Sinead had a problem with Roman Catholicism
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Reply #64 posted 12/16/03 12:06am

JohnDoe

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lol

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Reply #65 posted 12/18/03 5:43pm

jn2

Sinead is nuts, Lauryn..
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Reply #66 posted 12/19/03 1:37am

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Lammastide said:

pimpdoutt said:


there IS no appropriate time. when else would she have them all there in one spot. what IS inappropriate is the shelter the church grants theives devils.

pimp

There may never be a comfortable time, but there's absolutely an appropriate time. Where the abuse accounts are regarded, Lauryn's message is important, but because of the way she delivered it, its poignance will be easily obscured. Just imagine how much better received -- not to mention well circulated -- this message might have been via an interview, a recorded work, a well-written open letter to the Vatican in the New York Times, anywhere. She went for the quick sucker punch, and while it might have struck a couple hundred people at a single concert, she could have propelled the discussion in front of an entire world.


I disagree. This is how you get attention with today's media; I bet that's why we're even talking about it. She gets more respect from me. The injustices that go on behind closed doors are far worse than any 'inappropriate time and place' criticisms. She hit at them on home turf and made them listen. Good for her!
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