laurarichardson said:

So by your very own definition previously, should Ice Cube lose his record contract for expressing his view?

laurarichardson said:

Actually, "Lethal Injection" was the album Ice Cube made after "The Predator", which sold zillions and was VERY popular with white, suburban middle class CD buyers. You can bet they all heard "Cave Bitch" too.

Oh, and, ok, I'm not really sure about how many white people bought "Death Certificate", but it was a pretty big seller, coming out roughly when Ice Cube was blowing up after "Boyz N The Hood" - which, I am sure, was seen by lots of impressionable white middle class kids who later went out and bought the CD, to hear ole Ice threatening to cut off their little white icicle jimmies if ever they dared even thinking about sticking them in black women.

Besides, you know how one hit album boosts back catalogue sales? I bet lots of little white buyers bought copies of "Death Certificate" after they got "The Predator", so whether they heard his racist comments first or second time around they still heard 'em.

Guess what? Ice Cube made ANTI-SEMITIC statements on "No Vaseline" too ("You let a Jew/Break up my crew"). That was also on "Death Certificate". Last track.

Never heard him apologising for any of it.
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laurarichardson said:

I see, so, ur, Africans suffer from "retroactive brainwashing" do they? Interesting, but impossible.

By the way, you say "Africa", as if it's a country as opposed to a continent. Which African country or countries are you referring to, and which European countries practised brainwashing techniques on them? Your facts, please.
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SquirrelMeat said:

you mistake laura for a person who relies on logic and consistent/coherent arguments.

His voice sounds like Big Bird, and he's really not as great a rapper as people say he is. Without Dre's production, he'd be just another Vanilla Ice.

I just hope all this means Eminem's 15 minutes are finally coming to a close. I've never seen what the big deal is with this guy. His voice sounds like Big Bird, and he's really not as great a rapper as people say he is. Without Dre's production, he'd be just another Vanilla Ice.

frankjotzo said:

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Of course Africans suffer from brainwashing. African-Americans suffer from brainwashing from slavery. If there was no brainwashing Africans and Africans would not suffer from black on black crime. Which is destroying African-American communities and African countries.

The only African country I can think of that was not effected by white rule is Ethopia.

In the Congo Africans are terrified of German Shephads to this day because the Dutch you to attack them with German Shepherds.

he will be the next rap casualty

jthad1129 said:

Here's hoping!!!

SquirrelMeat said:

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First of all I did not bring up electicity as an example. Some other nitwit put that into the conversation. The facts are Jazz, Blues, Rap and Rock n Roll were invented by black people. These styles of music have been ripped of by other ethinic groups who don't always give credit were credit is due. You can find out about numerous blues and early rock n roll stars that were ripped off by white artist. There was a time when record companies did'nt put a black artist face on the front of their own records and the record companies would give RnB hits to white performers because they wanted to sell more records.

Nine times out ten the white cover verisions were not improvments. They were terrible. Now go do a little reserch comeback and we will discuss it some more.

laurarichardson said:

I think you ought to learn how to read properly before you sprout stupid replies.

So black people invented Jazz, blues, rap, and rock and roll? Most people know that. Many things are invented, and then altered or improved upon. Its simply a matter of opinion as to whether you prefer it or not.

So you are saying that dues should be paid every time a likeness is used?

If that is the case, should dues be paid to every inventor, or just black ones?

How often do YOU pay dues to the following?

The English Language
The Temperature Scale
Antiseptic
Atomic theory
The Bicycle
Calculus
Carbon Fibre
Cement
Cloning
Iron
The Computer
Magnets
The Jet Engine
The Theory of evolution
Fibre optics
Geology
Gravity Laws
Hydrolics
Internet Concept
Infrared
The Lamp
Logarithms
Motion Laws
Neutron discovery
Steel
Stainless Steel
Photography
The slide rule
The turbine
Tanks
Synthesised vitamin C

What do you do to help compensate the families of these inventions?

By the way, if you truely believe that black on black crime would not happen if there was not "brainwashing by whites, and you believe that Ethiopia is the only country not effected by whites...

Why is Ethiopia in a constant civil war, run by warlords?

Or are you going to invent another excuse to blame whites for that as well?

SweetKreme said:

everything i've posted represents my opinion...and it is not pc.

i haven't made any contradictions.

and since this can be discussed in private, and is way off topic now, i'm through with this thread.

(sorry harlepolis for turning your post into this)

laurarichardson said:

African countries WOULD suffer from black on black crime, don't you think, given that the population is, well, 99% black.

Ethiopia's history was affected by the Portuguese (from 1434 onwards - their influence spread to the country's western style architecture), the Egyptians (who occupied parts of the country), the British and, notoriously, the Italians in the Second World War.

Next?
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SquirrelMeat said:

Standing ovation.

AaronAlmighty said:

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And you made the mistake of thinking I care what you think.

I made the mistake of thinking Aaron Almighty would add something viable to this thread.

frankjotzo said:

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Do you think African countries would be in the mess they are in if they had never been colonies of European countries? Of course their would be black on black crime but, do you think it would be at genocide levels. Do you think that oil rich African countries would have been raped by evil dictators that came to power due to disaray these countries were left in after the Europeans were forced out.

Nelson Mandala said it would be decades before the brutality and violance subsides in Black South African communities because black South Africans learned brutallity from White South Africans.

Your are a real fool if you don't understand that treating and telling anyone that they are inferior over a long peroid of time is not going to have long term effects on person's self-esteem.

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Ethiopia can trace it's cultrue back to biblical times.
Long before any European knew anything about Africa and I am not going to get into how Ethiopia kicked the Italatians asses when they tried to take over. Trust me I know a few
Ethiopians and they would find your comments amusing.

laurarichardson said:

So you excuse, say, Robert Mugabe, for being a murderer and a thief on the repugnant apartheid regime he replaced?

And you excuse all those murderous, thieving African tyrants - Idi Amin, Mobutu, Bokassa et al - by saying that they wouldn't have been that way if they hadn't had repressive, violent white masters?

Sounds to me like you're making a lot of excuses for mass-murdering monsters based on the colour of their skin.

Ok here're my very humble 2 cents that I have to get outta my system:


The Source just won't stop. If they want to call on Eminem then they need to call on every other rapper that has dissed black women. I am a true believer that we must clean out our own house (the word NIGGA, dissing women, supporting one another) before we can even point our finger at someone that's not even in the family. Yes Eminem made some foul comments, but his comments are nothing compared to other BLACK rappers. We need to check ourselves first. This is so childish. "We can use the N-word, they can't. We can diss our women, they can't". As a people we sound really, really dumb. Race relations is very important, but education is foremost. If we educate ourselves and have textbooks that reflect all cultures, mixed in with exposure to those that are different-we will be a better society. Don't go telling other people what they can't do when you do it! The Source doesn't know the first thing about real journalism, which is why sells are down. Eric Dyson and Nikki Giovanni (I love them) need to be addressing all rappers. Educate ourselves first. Let's take care of our own house first before we cross the street and worry about our neighbors.

What I would say to all these hypocrite so called "Black Leaders" is to make sure that if you pick a fight with Eminem over this, make sure that the whole entire problem is fixed. There's a lot of people out there with a lot of issues concerning the type of music that's being played and sold and it just shouldn't be. You can say whatever you want about this angry white dude(wigger) being a racist or whatever, but his influences stem directly from groups that also used the "N" word and they weren't white. Don't just pick a fight with him because he's white. Do it because you feel in your heart that it's the right thing to do.

In a VERY simple phrase,,,WE as black folks are our OWN enemies and we draw the line into ourselves there4 we should look deeper into this issue rather than hammer the wigger becoz WE made him comfortable using those words in the 1st place beocz he would'nt even think about using those words if we were DIDN'T use 'em.

You're ready to throw Em's CDs outta the window? Fine but be ready to throw a WHOLE LOT OF CDs and enough with this hypocrite bullshit cuz I'm getting sick of double standards.


Sorry 4 the angry post!

I also have to point out that all Blacks do not accept either the word "nigger" or "nigga" (as if there is a real, rational difference) as some damn "term of endearment." So let's just squash all this "Blacks do it" blanket bullshit.

In ten years Eminem will be known as the guy who invented HIP-HOP. Nobody will remember Kool Hech or Grandmaster Flash or Public Enemy.

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Funny how black folks have praised this dude over the past few years, now we want to tear him down because we found out he's WHITE!!! What do you know!