MD7 said:

oh please, i wish those descriptions were ALL i was. as a matter of fact i am italian...and ukranian and polish. i would actually get into this with you but unfortunately, i feel it is a pointless discussion in this forum, out in the open. if there is a personal conversation you would like to have, you can certainly orgnote me.

and for the record, i don't consider myself a victim of anything. life is full of hardships and rather than be a victim, i prefer to be a survivor and a successor. i certainly do not want to 'out victim' anyone...to do so would be to sell myself short of what i am.

AaronAlmighty said:

A small action is better than none and what better high profile cause to attach to than a superstar getting caught out there. He's a perfect posterchild for condemnation.

AaronAlmighty said:

Hear, Hear.
Court dismissed
[This message was edited Fri Dec 12 12:39:45 PST 2003 by marcdeondotcom]

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

I know some of your best friends are black right?

First of all: YOU brought slavery in it (scroll up and read dear) !

Second: Slavery is were the root of the problem lies you haft to go back to the begining if you really wanna know what happens at the end.

Last: As I'm sure you've read because I've read it- we don't say nigger it's Niggah and our goal is to decrease the power of the word - further more no one is even talking about that word - Eminem didn't say nigger- He made a sterotypical statement that Black women are obnoxious gold diggers and that shit wasn't cool PERIOD!!! you obviously hold some racial tension in your thoughts because the issue was Eminem sterotyping black woman and you automatically started to defend him by saying "rappers are anti-whitey"

Fuck with that!
[This message was edited Fri Dec 12 12:42:59 PST 2003 by SweetKreme]

MD7 said:

because it's absolutely irrelevant what some guy said 10 years ago when there are real, pressing issues of race to be dealt with in the year 2003.


but i understand why they're going after this one: 1) it's easy and 2) it's high profile. it gives the illusion of action rather than actually doing anything or addressing real problems, and getting their names in the news. now, they may be able to parlay this into drawing attention to real issues in the future, after they've made a public name for themselves. and that's great. but it could also backfire, as it has with Jesse Jackson, who only goes after issues that'll get him camera time, more importantly, money in his own pocket, but ultimately make him a joke with little credibility.

MD7 said:

1. ethinicity and race are two VERY different things. only in america are the two confused.

2. i really feel no difference. i understand how the word can be used in a joking manner but, in general, i think it is a disgusting word. i don't care for the use of racial slurs, even when they are being used by members of that particular race. i'm not saying i've never, in jest, said any racial slurs but i can say i've always been disappointed in myself for even joking around in that manner.

SweetKreme said:

I'm with you but Eminem did say "Nigger", the lyric went "I like big butts and I cannot lie, no I don't thats some nigger shit" then went on to flame black women further. It was the other track from the leaked sessions.

MD7 said:

Okay - I stand corrected but my point still remains valid!

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

No "race" is confused period, as there is only one human race. Ethnicity is the correct term for different backgrounds and South Africa surely applies by the definition you use for USA anyway no? Both instituionalised apartheid, albeit South Africa's more hardline.

SweetKreme said:

of course, i must hold racial tension in my thoughts because i have an opinion that's not so p.c.

whateva.

and actually, no, none of my best friends are black. not currently. some of my family members are, though. but that is not the point.

and, i'm sorry, but i don't care how you spell it. the word has negative connotations and should be treated in that matter. unfortunately, white media has convinced black america that its ok to degrade yourself, as long as you mean it in a positive way.

oh, wait, am i allowed to say that?
[This message was edited Fri Dec 12 12:53:22 PST 2003 by imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty]

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

You have an opinion that's not so P.C.? and what opinion is that? -- I love the way you contradict yourself- before you answer remember you have family members that are black!
ooo wait... I can be sarcastic too!

i wonder how many people that are now incensed by his racial remarks looked the other way when the same criticisms were being thrown at him about women and gays.

SweetKreme said:

everything i've posted represents my opinion...and it is not pc.

i haven't made any contradictions.

and since this can be discussed in private, and is way off topic now, i'm through with this thread.

(sorry harlepolis for turning your post into this)

AaronAlmighty said:

Damn, I can't even front I gotta agree with you on that - I never felt his ass from the VERY beginning as soon as I heard the gay bashing lyrics - that's why this didn't really suprise me - however, I'm glad something finally clicked to let him know it's not cool to be so harsh at any one group of people - Rappers say what they feel but unless they are singling out ONE particular person or crew it's in the general sense like ANYBODY - it's never against a group of unknown people

Is this the politics and religion thread?? Oh where, oh where is chemmie?


Bottom line,slim was VERY wrong for this and MTV is being biased in not going after this story like they do when other rappers get into trouble.

I was a very racist song and he is really going to have to make an appearance and talk about it.

But I will say this that the guys from Source mag were on the Russ Parr show and Russ killed them on the timeliness and the intentions of putting this out. His point was that although this is really a jacked up thing that he did, it looks like a vendetta because the Source hates slim.

I would like to know why MTV isn't on this even a little bit.

Rhondab said:

'cuz they don't want to look like the idiots they are for hyping him all these years.
[This message was edited Fri Dec 12 14:32:30 PST 2003 by marcdeondotcom]

AaronAlmighty said:

I was wondering this very same thing. This tape did not surprise me at all and neither did his response to it. I mean, this is the same guy who didn't understand how offensive the word faggot is and kept on using it despite outrage from homosexual rights groups. I always felt that if he's so casual in his usage of one slur then he's probably just as casual in his usage of others, even if it's behind closed doors, when all of his black friends are out of sight.

I also agree with some of what imnotsayingthisjust2bnasty and Harlepolis said about the word nigger. Whether it's nigger or nigga, it's wrong and offensive and I wish I could go through the rest of my life without ever having to hear that word again.

Rhondab said:

why would you expect MTV to go after it? MTV News has become a joke. they read a press release from an artist or record label at 10 minutes before the hour and call it "news"

Em was probably chillin with black friends when he made this song and they probably thought it was hysterical. The lyrics are unquestionably racist but I would guess they were made in jest.

oh lawd, I love this.

Eminem, who was brought up in a trailer park, says something "racist" 10 YEARS ago at a very young age, becomes a huge rapper (which is mainly seen as "black" music) and is openly friends with the likes of Dr. Dre and 50 Cent.

Look, the boy has said his peace, either you accept his applogy or not. He doesn't have to go on BET (which is the most horrible music station ever) and beg for forgiveness, because you know what? This Benzino fool STILL wouldn't accept this.

This is obviously a ploy to take Eminem down, to go as far as ending coppies of the tapes with magazines and holding press comfrences for something that happened ten years ago is ridiculous. They're about as transparent as saran wrap.

stymie said:

I have never agreed with this thinking, u hear it alot and I think that Black people using the term Nigga or Nigger it really doesn't matter how it's spelt, is completely inane and I was going 2 say stupid but stupid doesn't really seem 2 cut it strong enough.

All they are doing is the bigot's work 4 them.Taking the word that caused such offence b4 and now using it as a term of endearment...it's truly tragic.

Yoda

once again, eminem has put his

foot in his big mouth

he's a wanna be, racist,

no talent wankster

he should do black women

a favor and never even

think about trying 2 step up

2 the thrown of the queens

of humanity

Fuck "The Source". Fuck that no talent Ray Benzino. Most people say things they regret when they're angry. Stuff said in the heat of the moment dies in the heat of the moment. Eminem is quite obviously NOT a racist.

frankjotzo said:

Or a homophobe.
Or a misogynist.

He really ought to use his rhyming talents to spread a more positive message. How tiresome and unoriginal is homophobia and sexism in rap anyway. This stuff is years old. It doesn't shock me anymore. It just bores me.

FunkMistress said:

i think benzino..just wants some of that slim booty "Hi my name is..." eheh

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[This message was edited Sat Dec 13 7:38:00 PST 2003 by Christopher]

The uproar over Eminem's comments stem from the fact that he is a white man in an artform indigenous to a black, urban experience.

Eminem's usage of the "N-word" and his denigration of black women are problematic because he is a white man in a historically African American artform (PERIOD). When white men use the N-word, no matter how "down" they are, they automatically transform into the "oppressor."

The history behind white usage of the N-word (over 300+ years) and the CURRENT black reappropriation of the N-word (last 25+ years) is entirely different and incomparable. Whites (who hold AGENCY and PRIVILEGE) to this day, primarily use the term as a method of oppression and denigration and recognize it as such when they use the word. Eminem, completely aware of this history, uses the word in the traditional sense anyway when these "black b*tches" he dated stepped out of bounds.

Even if he was young (21, eh) he knew what he was saying. He's a sharp rapper, he knows what's negative and what's not. He did not reappropriate the word when he spouted it like a black rapper would, he used it in a us/them, agent/target, superior/inferior fashion -- if you read the lyrics you can see Eminem's white supremacist leanings played out.

Blacks in the Western World are always the signified. Eminem is a signifier. He holds agency, white privilege, greater social and economic autonomy.

Eminem can be a rapper all he chooses, but if this "rap sh*t" didn't work out, Eminem could easily take off the Fubu, put on a suit and quickly qualify for a loan in a bank, and get hired faster than his black rapper counterparts if they were to do the same thing.

Being a rapper does not shield Eminem from the luxuries of white privilege. He still benefits from white skin entitlement, societal agency and greater economic advantages. He is free from the burden of non-whiteness and, therefore, cannot relate to a minority experience even if he lived in "the ghetto" or associated with black males.

Through his white American male agency, Eminem can choose whether or not to navigate or participate in white or black spaces -- this is more problematic for non-whites. The repressive state apparatus would come to his aid faster than his minority counterparts if he were "victimized" by the latter.

If you'd like to learn more about "white privilege" and how it relates to the current Eminem controversy, visit www.whiteprivilege.com

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[This message was edited Sat Dec 13 11:58:42 PST 2003 by JANFAN4L]

Goddamn I wish everyone would just shut the fuck about this issue. This witch hunt is so fucking stupid already. Eminem has already commented on the case, so it should be left alone. They act as though no black artist has ever made an anti-white comment before, on or off the mic. It sickens me that people are such assholes. The world is full of haters.

You mean Eminem is racist? YA DON'T SAY!!!

Harlepolis said:

I'm sure the real Zulus are in Africa laughing at this fool.

Nep2unes