I don't know if anyone has noticed how bad some artists are doing this last month
Pink's new album has bombed on billboard, this week she is at number 44? after 2 weeks, Missy debuted at number 14 with half the sales of her last album
Nelly furtardo debuted at number 30, Enrique Iglesias at 27 debut, these were all huge artists last year and they have all performed so badly, even in the uk Kylie and Britney are already falling off the charts, do you think it lack of good material or piracy?
my 12 year old cousin
saw that I bought some new cd's and said to me "oh you still buy cd's that's so cute, how retro"??

by the way NO DOUBT is this weeks number one on billboard they out sold Britney and every other major artist who realeased new albums last week, even the dickie chicks could only manage a number 21 debut

Record sales have been slipping for years,and even the popular artists are suffering.It seems that,with few exceptions,nobody is really selling big anymore.The music industry is in big trouble right now.

Dropping worldwide sales is not an argument here, since we're talking about how these artists fare RELATIVE to others who seem to sell more at the moment...

Anyway who cares, and I would even say it is good news! (except for Missy which I like so much, even if one has to admit that her latest joint is not that great -still good though-)

Probably bcuz of 'oversaturation' and poor record company marketing. Sales are decreasing and this is becuz of downloading music. The record industry needs 2 sort this out as they r losing millions each day due 2 this.

Hillary duff after 2 months of release is out selling every other solo artist
Things are getting scary, I'm 21 and feel so old when I watch MTV

The funny thing about all those artist is that I haven't heard any of their songs on radio that much. That is the problem. That is a big part of the problem. All these artists are releasing their albums all at once and meanwhile radio is still playing that "Fish, fish" song or whatever. Radio sucks and is so ass backwards. If record companies don't start embracing the single again, I see no hope!

VinnyM27 said:

Missy has had 3 albums in the past 3 years. Oversaturation, definitely. The law of diminishing returns at work, musically and commercially.

I mean how many Missy-records does one want to buy in one year?
[This message was edited Wed Dec 3 5:45:55 PST 2003 by abierman]

VoicesCarry said:

It's amazing that releasing one album a year is now considered excessive.Back in the 70s,it was the norm.

Missy has had 3 albums in the past 3 years. Oversaturation, definitely. The law of diminishing returns at work, musically and commercially.[/quote]


I don't think is too much Mariah realeased sb

twink69 said:

I don't think is too much Mariah realeased sb[/quote]

All I meant is that I think she should take more time on her records...her new one is rather undercooked, IMHO.

Missy has had 3 albums in the past 3 years. Oversaturation, definitely. The law of diminishing returns at work, musically and commercially.[/quote]


Britney did it? 3 albums in a row
Missy's new song didn't get any radio play, neither did Pink, Britney didn't either, but the video saved the song
and a Madonna cameo
I had no idea about a new Nelly Furtardo album until I saw it debut at number 30

twink69 said:

Britney did it? 3 albums in a row
Missy's new song didn't get any radio play, neither did Pink, Britney didn't either, but the video saved the song
and a Madonna cameo
I had no idea about a new Nelly Furtardo album until I saw it debut at number 30[/quote]


RUN FOR COVER, MUTHAFUCKER! from 'Pass The Dutch' is all I hear on the radio? And you say she does not get any airplay? The problem is that you can hardly distinguish her songs.
Last 2 albums:
'Under Construction' came out last spring and she just released another one! That's at least 2 in one year!
Remember DMX? Where is he now?

twink69 said:

???


This week's top 3 is Jay-Z in first, followed by No Doubt then Britney.

abierman said:

RUN FOR COVER, MUTHAFUCKER! from 'Pass The Dutch' is all I hear on the radio? And you say she does not get any airplay? The problem is that you can hardly distinguish her songs.
Last 2 albums:
'Under Construction' came out last spring and she just released another one! That's at least 2 in one year!
Remember DMX? Where is he now?[/quote]

Maybe "Pass That Dutch" is being played on your LOCAL radio station, but it sure ISN'T getting national airplay

48 37 8 Pass That Dutch, Missy Elliott
The Gold Mind/Elektra | 67506* | EEG 2

So, 8 weeks on the Hot 100, and it's plummeting (27-37-48) with a peak of 27. Yikes.

And Britney's records are definitely performing less and less well (thank God!)...

...Baby One More Time 11 million
Oops!... I Did It Again 8 million
Britney 4.4 million
In The Zone sold 600k last week and now...""In the Zone," falls 1-3. Second week sales dipped 59% to 251,000 copies, giving the album a total of 860,000. While that's impressive, it's short of the 1.1 million copies 2001's "Britney" sold in its first two weeks on the shelf."

Hilary Duff's at no. 4 this week, having sold 1.3 million. She will likely outsell Britney in the long run. When Hilary Duff outsells you, you know you're in trouble.

the industry has, for a long time now, stopped nurturing their artists. instead, they have decided to milk them until they are bone dry of anything worthwhile and then toss them aside for the next 'hit'. pop music has become very 'crackish'. always looking for the next hit. all of the entertainment industry seems to be following this trend, too. take a look at recent television programming. it seems like there are more and more 'one off' shows as opposed to serials or sitcoms. the 'one off' shows air for a season and that's it. they make their money and they are done. it seems like there is no interest in developing creative story or intelligent humour. when it hits rock bottom, the music industry will go back to relying on its established artists to make a dollar. hopefully.

All I can say is, you can't win 'em all.

As if they don't have ENOUGH money. Oh no! Whatever will these poor sots do(<--- sarcasm to the nth degree)? These people, hopefully, have already realized that they won't be on top forever. Nobody is. It's the fan base that really matters after that. Even Prince is aware of that! I think? Oh well, I'd still do him. haha

The ironic thing is, the quality of the music has gone up. Pink, Britney, and Nelly Furtado all have just put out their best albums. Yet, they are more or less being ignored.

For one thing, oversaturation is a definite. There are countless releases that have come out in October and November and people really have to pick and choose from a huge number of releases. Some of these are bound to fall by the wayside.

Secondly, downloading music, mp3 players, IPods- these are all big factors to slipping sales.

And finally, how often do you see a genre other than rap in the past couple of years represented in the #1 slot on Billboard? Whether or not peoples' tastes just suck these days is debatable, but rap music is the most promoted and pushes these other genres (and artists that are doing something original and worthwhile) to the wayside. Whatever makes the most money.

twink69 said:

Britney did it? 3 albums in a row
Missy's new song didn't get any radio play, neither did Pink, Britney didn't either, but the video saved the song
and a Madonna cameo
I had no idea about a new Nelly Furtardo album until I saw it debut at number 30[/quote]


Actually Britney's were a little more spread out. If I'm write and she came out in 1999 then this is how it works. The first album was released very early in the year (1999). The second was released summer 2000. Then her third one was released late 2001. However, Britney fan or not, you have to admit that she had so little input on the first two discs that she was pretty much only a singer on them. With Missy, her last two were released late in the year and it seemed like she had little time to breath between them. The new single sounds a lot like "Work It" and radio didn't pick up on it like they did with "Work It" (a shame since she is one of the most talented people in hip hop and is one of the few aritst that isn't getting massive amounts of airplay) It is too much to soon. Maybe too much of a good thing.

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

That is the right answer! It seems like record companies also like to put all their attention on one artist now of days rather than trying to get a few hit albums and having something to brag out. It seems like any given label is battling itself now of days. It is pretty sad and they are going to have to start waking up and releaving this isn't a good thing for the creativity of music along with the sales. Everyone is a loser!

jtgillia said:

I seriously wonder if the music has gotten better. I have been largely disappointed with many of the new albums I've bought lately. And to be honest, 2002 wasn't such a hot year either.

Maybe you think those are the best albums of those ladies careers (and they have all been pretty short careers) but for the most part I don't think quality of music is going up.

And I have no idea why bad rap music is all over the radio (with the occasional Green Day rip -off alt rock song). Again, overall, quality is going down.

I think Missy's trying on her new album to give people what she thinks they want to hear from her, instead of just doing what comes naturally. All the dirty talk sounds forced instead of the bizarre psychosexualbabble and blah blah blah that you get on her better stuff...I don't have the album, but from what I've heard, it sounds like she's second-guessing her own talent, which is never good.

As for Pink, I just think that nobody knows what box to put her in - people generally think of her as the "bad girl" bubblegum diva, and now she's working with Tim Armstrong, but the music isn't punk, and even though it's pop, she doesn't want to be seen as a TRL harpie...I think a lot of folks are just throwing their hands up where she's concerned these days, which is a shame cuz the new album might be the best thing she's done...it kinda reminds me of Neneh Cherry's "Homebrew", which was an excellent, excellent album, but ultimately flopped because she went a little experimental/alternative and people just wanted more "Buffalo Stance" from her...

And Nelly, well, I think people were done with her after that bird song she did. There was no escape from that damn song, and when she turned up to sing live, she sounded like someone was beating a cat with a sack of nickels. Ouch!

I'm not an expert on the industry, but it seems that, just like television, consumers have more "niche" options than ever before due to the hordes of superstores and internet sites catering to specific tastes. Therefore, the industry has realized that it needs to market its mass product to kiddies and casual radio listeners who will buy whatever's on MTV or the "hit" stations. Which is why there are so many disposable stars out there these days.

I also think that the artists you mentioned are probably doing extremely well through e-music sites like iTunes and MusicMatch. Music downloading will always be a problem for the industry, but the new pay sites will cut into that problem long-term.

Im glad those album are tanking--they need a wake up call --Im glad I didn't open that Missy one yet--gonna take that right back.

I think the oversaturation comes from video air play. I think in the 70's, you did see the artist daily...it was all about radio. Maybe if music became less about the visuals, folks would take a listen to artist who are really making some good music.

jtgillia said:

do you work for the industry or something...

here we go blaming hip hop for why britney sucks...

Rhondab said:

Very true, I don'thow many times I have bought a song or liked a song after I saw the video
I didn't care much for "yOU DON'T KNOW MY NAME" I thought itwas average but then the video sold it and now I can't get enough of it

VoicesCarry said:

All I meant is that I think she should take more time on her records...her new one is rather undercooked, IMHO.[/quote]


well, actually. Under construction came out in 2003, This Is Not A Test is in 2003. So Addictive came out in 2001,

jtgillia said:

I think it's more the fault of poor promotion and lack of good material than excessive downloading. The RIAA has scared off a LOT of downloaders with their insane tactics these past few months. And a lot of good consumers have ALSO been turned off by the RIAA, so it's their loss.

Most people were unaware that Nelly Furtado had a new album out. But it also lacked the incredible lead-off single of her first record (I'm Like A Bird), and the bottom line is that the material is more self-absorbed and less relatable than her debut.

I also think Britney has a loyal fan base, but her time has passed, since the teen girls who once worshipped her are now in college and have moved on, something she can't seem to do, judging by In The Zone. The drop in second-week sales speaks volumes about that. Also, the fact that MATM is one of the worst tracks on the record (but was chosen for single release first) probably killed its chances of attracting new fans for Britney.

Pink, too, lacked a single that caught on at commercial radio. Trouble probably wasn't the best choice from Try This, which is admittedly a very good album. I still prefer Missundazstood, though, and I think the novelty factor attracted people to that record. No one expected Pink to go from R&B to rock with punk flavourings, so they were interested to see what it was like. Try This was marketed as a rehash of Missundaztood.

Also, there are artists such as Outkast (4 million), who still go multiplatinum in a matter of weeks. This is, of course, due to the fact that SB/ TLB is a superb album with some really great singles in its artillery. Hey Ya and The Way You Move are both in the top 5 right now.