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Thread started 11/24/03 12:56am

Cloudbuster

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Michael Jackson tops U.K. album chart.

Despite his worries, Michael's "Number Ones" entered the official U.K. album chart at no.1. This is his seventh album to chart in England this year. So, for an artist who is supposedly a has-been he ain't doing 2 Bad.
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Reply #1 posted 11/24/03 2:28am

MrSquiggle

Wow. That's unbelievable. I've bought every MJ album to date but I refuse to buy this ridiculous contractual obligation and can't believe it's doing well. Haven't we already got all these songs on HIStory, either the one or two-disc versions, by now?

And the songs are really sloppily, pointlessly edited - the whole dramatic thriller intro has been cut off (it starts at the synth burst), the Mccauly Culkin bit has been cut off Black or White, and Don't Stop Till You Get Enough starts at the "wooo!!".

Plus why is Break of Dawn - not a No.1, not even a single - included? And the set stretches the definition of "number one" by including airplay charts and charts from all around the world. What a scam!

Rant over.
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Reply #2 posted 11/24/03 2:53am

Cloudbuster

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MrSquiggle said:

Plus why is Break of Dawn - not a No.1, not even a single - included? And the set stretches the definition of "number one" by including airplay charts and charts from all around the world. What a scam!


It is odd how Sony have gone about putting this collection together. I've been reading up on his number ones (at least the info that's available) and the results are interesting considering how the track-listings were finalised.

All the following tracks have been number one somewhere in the world:

Ben
One Day In Your Life
Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough
Rock With You
Billie Jean
Beat It
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
I Just Can't Stop Loving You
Bad
The Way You Make Me Feel
Man In The Mirror
Dirty Diana
Smooth Criminal
Black Or White
Scream
You Are Not Alone
Earth Song
They Don't Care About Us
Stranger In Moscow
Blood On The Dancefloor
You Rock My World.

There may well be others but those I know for definate.

So some tracks didn't make it and others like Thriller, Human Nature and Break Of Dawn (not even a single) - which as far as I'm aware were not number 1's - did make it.

Maybe they should've made it a two CD set. If they've simply included songs from as many random charts as possible then why not include his Billboard R&B chart number 1's as well which apart from many on the above list would also have included The Girl Is Mine, Another Part Of Me, Rememeber The Time and In The Closet. And Butterflies should've been on there just 'cos it's a great song and spent six weeks at no.2 on the R&B chart.


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Reply #3 posted 11/24/03 3:49am

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not much of a surprise.

england has a new number one every week.

why not give it to mike this week?
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Reply #4 posted 11/24/03 4:38am

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purpleone said:

not much of a surprise.

england has a new number one every week.

why not give it to mike this week?


Yep! Isn't a great that a chart still exists where the sales make it, not what the corporates want on the radio!
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Reply #5 posted 11/24/03 4:40am

Cloudbuster

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SquirrelMeat said:

Yep! Isn't a great that a chart still exists where the sales make it, not what the corporates want on the radio!


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Reply #6 posted 11/24/03 4:53am

lameless

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I have heard raves about the sound quality. That's not reason enough for me to buy it, however.
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Reply #7 posted 11/24/03 6:03am

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Cloudbuster said:

MrSquiggle said:

Plus why is Break of Dawn - not a No.1, not even a single - included? And the set stretches the definition of "number one" by including airplay charts and charts from all around the world. What a scam!


It is odd how Sony have gone about putting this collection together. I've been reading up on his number ones (at least the info that's available) and the results are interesting considering how the track-listings were finalised.

All the following tracks have been number one somewhere in the world:

Ben
One Day In Your Life
Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough
Rock With You
Billie Jean
Beat It
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
I Just Can't Stop Loving You
Bad
The Way You Make Me Feel
Man In The Mirror
Dirty Diana
Smooth Criminal
Black Or White
Scream
You Are Not Alone
Earth Song
They Don't Care About Us
Stranger In Moscow
Blood On The Dancefloor
You Rock My World.

There may well be others but those I know for definate.

So some tracks didn't make it and others like Thriller, Human Nature and Break Of Dawn (not even a single) - which as far as I'm aware were not number 1's - did make it.

Maybe they should've made it a two CD set. If they've simply included songs from as many random charts as possible then why not include his Billboard R&B chart number 1's as well which apart from many on the above list would also have included The Girl Is Mine, Another Part Of Me, Rememeber The Time and In The Closet. And Butterflies should've been on there just 'cos it's a great song and spent six weeks at no.2 on the R&B chart.


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That looks like a much better tracklisting then what they have. I was in a record store right before teh news really broke out and say it, thought for a second, then said "nah"! And now I really have no desire to buy it. And the new song sucks. They should have released that collection that posted.
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Reply #8 posted 11/24/03 6:06am

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SquirrelMeat said:

purpleone said:

not much of a surprise.

england has a new number one every week.

why not give it to mike this week?


Yep! Isn't a great that a chart still exists where the sales make it, not what the corporates want on the radio!


Actually I'm kind of suprised by the album charts in this country becuase they seem to be changing pretty drastically every week as well (now more than ever since big releases are coming out in the time for the holidays). The Isley Brothers had a number one album this year. Now the singles charts just make me want to wretch! Those hardly ever change here. I don't even want to look at them becuase I'm sure Beyonce must have the number one single with the worst song off the whole album ("Baby Boy"). Pitiful!
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Reply #9 posted 11/24/03 6:25am

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SquirrelMeat said:

purpleone said:

not much of a surprise.

england has a new number one every week.

why not give it to mike this week?


Yep! Isn't a great that a chart still exists where the sales make it, not what the corporates want on the radio!



yes, but it's equally lame that on the same chart a #2 debut is considered a flop confused
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Reply #10 posted 11/24/03 6:27am

Cloudbuster

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AaronUniversal said:

yes, but it's equally lame that on the same chart a #2 debut is considered a flop confused


Very true. You Rock My World peaked at no.2 in the UK, stayed on the chart for 15 weeks (one of his best ever runs), earned a gold disc and was still considered a flop. rolleyes
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Reply #11 posted 11/24/03 4:57pm

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It is good that the UK chart is based on sales alone but again so much promotion is put into the albums. This is why the top 10 album chart changes so much, its all down 2 record company marketing and usually its a pop group/singer who's No1!. Radio stations do play a big part in the success of a record, look how much 'In Da Club' by 50 Cent was/is played on the radio and also seen on MTV or in the UK, MTV Base too...even VH-1 will b showing it soon!

As 4 the new MJ CD, I don't like edited versions of songs and any1 who has The Hits/B-Sides by Prince will agree as some of the B-Sides are edited along with songs like '1999' and 'When Doves Cry' which should have been the full versions.

As 4 Sony releasing all MJ's number 1's they would not b able 2 release any Motown No 1's due 2 contractual reasons and royalties etc. so the only MJ songs would have 2 b those recorded 4 Epic/Sony.
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Reply #12 posted 11/24/03 5:09pm

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AaronUniversal said:

SquirrelMeat said:

purpleone said:

not much of a surprise.

england has a new number one every week.

why not give it to mike this week?


Yep! Isn't a great that a chart still exists where the sales make it, not what the corporates want on the radio!



yes, but it's equally lame that on the same chart a #2 debut is considered a flop confused


Spot on. Any top ten hit should be considered a hit to some degree. Whilst I love the fact that the UK chart still keeps away from corporate influence more than radio based, it also leads to us having god awful one hit wonders.

Also, the fast moving sales based chart is harder for artists to establish themselves, due to all the dross that surrounds it. Howevever, and most importantly, it allows true talent to sell albums without corporate backup.
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Reply #13 posted 11/24/03 5:53pm

thedoorkeeper

Cloudbuster said:

Despite his worries, Michael's "Number Ones" entered the official U.K. album chart at no.1. This is his seventh album to chart in England this year. So, for an artist who is supposedly a has-been he ain't doing 2 Bad.



How many copies sold does that translate into?
Curious what it takes to be number one in the UK.
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Reply #14 posted 11/24/03 5:59pm

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thedoorkeeper said:

Cloudbuster said:

Despite his worries, Michael's "Number Ones" entered the official U.K. album chart at no.1. This is his seventh album to chart in England this year. So, for an artist who is supposedly a has-been he ain't doing 2 Bad.



How many copies sold does that translate into?
Curious what it takes to be number one in the UK.

I read 118.000 on another message board, but it didn't have a source so i dunno. Seems a lot to me.
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Reply #15 posted 11/24/03 6:06pm

origmnd

Who cares what he sells...anybody for a game of "rubba rubba"?
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